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October 30th, 2006

Is Firefox 2.0 a dud?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 2:05 am

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Is Firefox 2.0 a dud?  Are users better avoiding it and waiting until a future build?  Are too many of the new features buggy and incomplete and is the browser overall more unstable that previous versions?  What about Firefox on Vista? 

The future for Firefox has to be that it (and Opera) must all run in protected mode, but for now Firefox doesn't Having used Firefox 2.0 for a few days I believe that some of these claims are quite justified, while others are highly exaggerated or based on user preferences.  But if someone tells you that it's a bad idea to use Firefox on Windows Vista, do yourself a favor and listen to them because they are telling the truth.

 

 

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Firefox 2.0 has been out for a week and the download counter is already well past 2 million.  But a vocal group of Firefox users have generated quite a long list of gripes and grievances regarding this latest release.  Some are even saying that upgrading to 2.0 might not be a good idea.

So what's behind all this?  Here's a quick short list of the most popular Firefox 2.0 gripes:

  • Random freezes
  • Poor antiphishing technology
  • Confused Options dialog box
  • Bulky, inconsistent theme
  • Incompatibility with extensions
  • Memory leaks
  • CSS issues
  • Buggy history bar

Firefox 2.0

I have to admit that I wasn't all that jazzed about Firefox 2.0 when it was released.  IE7 had just been released and that was such a huge evolutionary step for Internet Explorer that it almost completely filled my requirements for what a browser should be.  However, that didn't stop me downloading Firefox 2.0 and taking a look.

Some of these gripes come down to a matter of taste.  Personally, I don't think that the new Firefox theme is all that bad but then I'm not all that fussed about how my browser looks - it's a window onto the Internet, not a piece of art.  If people don't like the default shipped theme, there are plenty of others to choose from.  I can't see how the Mozilla team is going to be able to please everyone all the time.  I also don't find the Options dialog box too bad, although it is suffering from the developers trying to cram too much in.  Despite this, it remains quite usable.  As far as CSS goes, I think the problem people are seeing are sites built for Internet Explorer that aren't happy being displayed in Firefox.

I've not noticed a problem with the history bar, but it's possible that I've simply not looked closely enough.

However, some of the complaints are very valid indeed.  The random freeze issue is apparent to me on two systems (both where Firefox 1.5 had previously been installed and behaved well).  Session restore helps to save the day, but that's no excuse.  The crashing is such a problem that it's just easier for me to use IE7.

Memory leaks are also present, and actually seem worse under Firefox 2.0 than under 1.x.  I was hoping to find these fixed and I'm disappointed to find they aren't.

On a more serious note, complaints that the antiphishing filter  is weak seem justified.  I've thrown a number of dodgy phishing sites at Firefox 2.0 and its detect rate is appallingly low.  Some people claim that any antiphishing filter is better than no antiphishing filter, but I disagree - at best this feature seems to offer users little more than false hope and at worst a false sense of security.  By comparison, the antiphishing filter in IE7 seems a lot better and was able to flag as suspicious all the phishing sites I tested it with.

The claim that Firefox 2.0 is incompatible with a lot of popular extensions also seems true, though it has to be remembered that the Mozilla team have nothing to do with most of the extensions out there.  They are third-party applications and require the developer to offer support for newer versions.  However, extensions are one of Firefox's most compelling features and seeing a whole raft of disabled extensions, especially those that are well-used and loved, is going to put off a lot of existing users from upgrading.

Do I believe that current Firefox users should not upgrade to the latest version?  No way.  If you stick with 1.5.x then you're going to be at risk from unpatched vulnerabilities.  The only way to go is up to 2.0 and keep downloading updates as they become available. 

So what's my issue with running Firefox on Windows Vista?  It's that it runs in standard user mode and has full access to the system.  Internet Explorer 7 on the other hand runs in protected mode.  Under this mode, Internet Explorer, along with ActiveX controls and add-ons such as toolbars, have only limited access to the file system and the registry and it's very difficult for a code to leverage a vulnerability and allow takeover of the system.  Compare this to a vulnerability in Firefox which would give an attacker full access to the system.  The future for Firefox has to be that it (and Opera) must all run in protected mode, but for now Firefox doesn't, and that represents a serious risk to users who use Windows Vista.

I can't help but feel that Firefox is a victim of its own success.  The more users they have, the more masters they have to satisfy.  More and more Firefox users see it as just another browser and feel that they are owed something.  Too many of them don't see the work that goes into the product behind the scenes and instead choose to nitpick and exaggerate each small issue.  That's the price of success when success is measured by the number of users.  However, the Mozilla team also have some challenges which need to be overcome.  Memory leaks and random crashes won't win any friends, and the antiphishing filter either needs a serious overhaul or it needs to be pulled from the browser until it is fit for purpose.

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Your right, the only time I've have a problem with Forefox 2.0 freezing up is when I try to open a web application that will only work with IE. Some of the bugs he's talking about I never use or don't need.... (Read the rest)
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Excellant Article  xximjasonxx | 10/30/06
I do not like the IE 7 GUI  jdawgnoonan | 10/30/06
I do not like it, Sam-I-Am.  Joel R | 10/31/06
I love IE7. FF 2 is alright as well.  Cayble | 11/03/06
IE7 Betas  anthony@... | 11/09/06
Only dud is who wrote the article  Uralbas | 10/30/06
Firefox 2.0 a dud?  morph000 | 10/31/06
News Flash  rkuhn040172@... | 11/01/06
bah...  xiaodre | 11/09/06
ff2 vs ie7  dhays | 10/31/06
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MInor regrets  DrDoug018 | 10/31/06
Easily done  Greenknight_z | 11/01/06
Thanks  DrDoug018 | 11/01/06
Firefox 2  gilheuss | 10/30/06
Glad it works for you!  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
I'm having no problems with FF2  KLBP | 10/30/06
You're forgetting about ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
If this protected mode is so important  KLBP | 10/30/06
It is available as part of the standard Vista ...  ShadeTree | 10/30/06
Gee.. take that  judgesinel@... | 10/31/06
I haven't had any problems with Firefox 2.0  maldain | 11/09/06
So far so good...in fact I'm using it right now.  LBean | 11/09/06
Firefox 2  bunky40@... | 11/02/06
Firefox 2 vs IE7  abasalyga@... | 10/30/06
Hey.... Guess what???  Hard Cider | 10/30/06
Right On The Mark  Mach-One | 12/01/06
Poorly sourced  FreewheelinFrank | 10/30/06
Wrong!  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
That's not what you said  FreewheelinFrank | 10/30/06
Have a look at the thread here ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Statistically...?  FreewheelinFrank | 10/30/06
You did...  wcb42ad | 10/31/06
Far from it!  FreewheelinFrank | 10/31/06
RE: Have a look at the thread here ...  Protagonistic | 10/30/06
Give up won't you ?  judgesinel@... | 10/31/06
Firefox 2  david@... | 11/09/06
IE7 is the dud  merlinmgk@... | 10/30/06
rofl  netster403 | 10/30/06
IE7 is the dud  questionstooo@... | 10/30/06
You mightn't expect much from a browser but others do.  Irritated_User | 10/31/06
Not My Experience  dwmarsh@... | 10/30/06
Very poor article.  netster403 | 10/30/06
excuse me  netster403 | 10/30/06
Same goes for Vista  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
unprofessional  netster403 | 10/30/06
Really?  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
general overview of improvements  netster403 | 10/30/06
Me too ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
visa? rofl buggy beta ftw  netster403 | 10/30/06
Hmmm ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
meh  netster403 | 10/30/06
Probably  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
I'm sorry but you are not credible  KLBP | 10/30/06
Added thought Firefox on Vista  KLBP | 10/30/06
"Clean Install"?  Spoon Jabber | 11/01/06
RE: Very poor article.  Protagonistic | 10/30/06
Protected Mode? Sheesh.  pstorry@... | 10/30/06
I think it's you who is uninformed  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
sandy comments  netster403 | 10/30/06
Yeah ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Yeah, I know.  pstorry@... | 10/30/06
Congratulations, you're still wrong.  pstorry@... | 10/30/06
Who says it won't?  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Microsoft.  pstorry@... | 10/30/06
Just because it's not in Vista now ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
You seem to be clutching at straws...  pstorry@... | 10/30/06
Firefox and protected mode  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Does the "protected mode" benefit IE7...  Spoon Jabber | 11/01/06
I say you're correct  John Zern | 10/30/06
Correct me if I am wrong  zkiwi | 10/30/06
Shockwave/Flash, QuickTime Browser Component, etc.  Joel R | 10/31/06
So? Another free download...  Dr. John | 11/01/06
Firefox 2.0 under Linux  btdonovan | 10/30/06
rightyo  netster403 | 10/30/06
Firefox 2.0  malmstrome | 10/30/06
Didn't know that ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
no problems with Firefox 2.0  genwww | 10/30/06
FF2 is fine with me  pfidjes | 10/31/06
Firefox 3  netster403 | 10/30/06
I've only really just played with FF3  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
FF3 is only in alpha and is 9 - 12 months away  KLBP | 10/30/06
I see the problems  Roger Ramjet | 10/30/06
Spell checker is good  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
I'm trying Opera 9.02  Roger Ramjet | 10/30/06
I know your problem is a (slow PC)  not of this world | 10/30/06
More like slow OS  Roger Ramjet | 10/31/06
Microsoft slows firefox  martin23 | 10/31/06
Sorry, but the question if why use Firefox 2.0?  Scrat | 10/30/06
Random Crashing  Quincybill | 10/30/06
Crashes, extensions, font sizes, and bookmarks  shagbark | 11/10/06
Windows, Ie Crashes  davidtristan@... | 11/14/06
I have no intention of switching back - none whatsoever  rbethell | 10/30/06
Yep  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
The next IE could be 18 - 24 months away  KLBP | 10/30/06
Yeah, it probably is ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Microsoft would have to care  JayMonster | 10/30/06
They're also bothered by ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
They have actually broken some backwards compatibility  KLBP | 10/30/06
Microsoft doesn't care...  jcg_z | 10/31/06
Probably not  KLBP | 10/30/06
ROFLOL!  Logics | 10/30/06
Laugh if you want, but it's true.  Joel R | 10/31/06
2.0 works great  irontest@... | 10/30/06
Firefox 2 is NOT a dud  sureshot8 | 10/30/06
No problems using FF2  D-T-Schmitz | 10/30/06
Wednesday November 1  D-T-Schmitz | 10/30/06
Do you find the Internet better ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
This isn't what you insinuated in your article  KLBP | 10/30/06
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De Facto Standards vs Standards  D-T-Schmitz | 10/30/06
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Acid2 Compliance  kurt_cagle | 10/31/06
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Did Microsoft pay you to write this?  wonderkris@... | 10/30/06
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Of course.  jolumoar | 10/31/06
Well Reported - but shallow  Xris601 | 10/30/06
Firefox 2.0 not so bad, but looking forward to v3  Mr_Nil | 10/30/06
Opera  Mr_Nil | 10/30/06
There is no "more secure software"  tonhobuffen | 10/30/06
2 More Cents  philhersh@... | 10/30/06
Firefox 2.0 Is OK for Me  WildcatRay | 10/30/06
Tried it, removed it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/30/06
Can you be specific?  Logics | 10/30/06
Sorry, I don't believe you  critic-at-arms | 10/31/06
You should read more...  Spoon Jabber | 11/01/06
Maybe Firefox fans will prefer this review ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
It was okay but not super substantive  KLBP | 10/30/06
Have to laugh!  ejhonda | 10/30/06
Funny ... looks OK to me ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Oops! It doesn't look great using IE 7, either.  ejhonda | 10/30/06
Thanks for the heads up ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Looks the same to me  philhersh@... | 10/30/06
Think it might be me ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
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Firefox 2  verdi6 | 10/30/06
Never Miss the Opportunity  hatfira | 10/31/06
Not my experience  NetNet | 10/30/06
Still a firefox fan  ortizalo | 10/30/06
Exactly the Article's Point  hatfira | 10/31/06
Firefox 2.0. Try Netscape 7.2  rondev | 10/30/06
Paid article by microsoft  SystemsLatch | 10/30/06
Citations  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Of course  jolumoar | 10/31/06
Wrong! And Right.  hatfira | 10/31/06
Is Firefox 2.0 a dud?  rondev | 10/30/06
I will agree with you on a single point  JayMonster | 10/30/06
the expectations on Firefox are huge  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
I have had few issues, no more than with IE7  jdawgnoonan | 10/30/06
Let the law suits begin !!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/30/06
FUNNY!!  hatfira | 10/31/06
No way!  CobraA1 | 10/30/06
Funny Story  8bird | 10/30/06
Author in Microsoft's Pockets???  GBessette | 10/30/06
Funny ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
Try looking at both browsers equally next time...  GBessette | 10/30/06
I either read his post entirely wrong or...  ju1ce | 10/30/06
Yeah... IE7 has crashed on me 3 times now. (NT)  ju1ce | 10/30/06
Well.. Hopefully Mr. Ou reads this...  ju1ce | 10/30/06
I would like to post my 2 cents...  ju1ce | 10/30/06
The memory leak is back  James T. Kirk | 10/30/06
Memory leak?  Insight Driver | 11/03/06
Better than Safari 2.0 in my book  ajojmine | 10/30/06
That sucks. sad  NonZealot | 10/30/06
Unlike Microsoft.  Joel R | 10/31/06
bugs  WileECoyote_1 | 10/30/06
I don't agree  asadmalik | 10/30/06
FF2 and LInux  Stuka | 10/30/06
FireFox 2.0 vs. Explorer 7  floorman2001 | 10/30/06
TERRible article.  solomonrex | 10/30/06
You do know ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/30/06
IE has good anti-phishing?  Greyzone | 10/30/06
Is Firefox 2.0 a dud?  billsharpe@... | 10/30/06
Freezes daily  alkolkin@... | 10/30/06
Random freezes not new....  techboy_z | 10/30/06
FF 2.0 is a TERRIBLE AWFUL CRAPPY DUD ... THANK GOD FOR FF 1.5.0.7  rh0 | 10/30/06
Wellll....  ken@... | 10/30/06
Me too ...  direct2system@... | 11/07/06
Idiotic excuse for a news story  tialoc | 10/30/06
Firefox Not - Penguin Poop is the In Browser  jpr75_z | 10/30/06
is that you Mike Cox?  Langalibalene | 10/31/06
No, Its not a dud  peterbk@... | 10/31/06
Yes that make sense.....  Riscy00 | 11/09/06
Real Problems with FireFox 2 too  dl@... | 10/31/06
Firefox 2.0 a Dud?  dsmckown | 10/31/06
firefox 2.0  jpac777@... | 10/31/06
anti-phishing, user-mode and cookie problems  Mitch 74 | 10/31/06
My Two Cents...  hatfira | 10/31/06
Firefox was ALWAYS a dud.  MasterJoe | 10/31/06
Vista issue doesn't make sense to me  Langalibalene | 10/31/06
buggy and unstable  primate@... | 10/31/06
Updating Firefox and why I went back to IE  mietz | 10/31/06
Another window user hahaha  jackie40d@... | 10/31/06
No Problems found!  ITSa341@... | 10/31/06
They planed for the furture with the restore.  jetman36 | 10/31/06
I've only seen improvements.  TerryNT | 10/31/06
IE7 released 2 betas & an RC Give F2 time  support@... | 10/31/06
What a shocker Zdnet favours the m$ product???  rmmontgomery@... | 10/31/06
Yeah, it is, but so is IE7. I think it's XP that is the real problem.  tomb@... | 10/31/06
Right and wrong  Reged | 11/01/06
Just look at the products, not who made them...  sirwriter | 11/01/06
Firefox 2.0  hickoryshirt | 11/01/06
Nope  bhaskar_krupp@... | 11/01/06
I agree  999ad@... | 11/01/06
Firefox 2.0 - Password problems  wrk628 | 11/01/06
FF2  allanbaumgartner@... | 11/01/06
Firefox 2.0  bkblack@... | 11/01/06
Fix for Memory Leak  TheeBorg | 11/01/06
firefox 2.0  txbeachboy69@... | 11/02/06
Firefox..Mozilla  sego277@... | 11/02/06
Suggestion before installing Firefox 2  dt63944 | 11/03/06
Protected Mode? What an idiot!  Guy Fawkes | 11/03/06
Firefox 2.0  wkb4447@... | 11/03/06
Brain Dead Author...  srussell@... | 11/03/06
Firefox 2 versus IE7  khward@... | 11/04/06
Not really a dud  wsamuel3 | 11/08/06
random - and frequent - freezes  ekatzen | 11/09/06
I thought it was only me  ceward_z | 11/09/06
INBOX selection fromTools menu  halpick@... | 11/09/06
Firing Away  milsand1@... | 11/09/06
I agree  henrystahle@... | 11/09/06
Firefox 2  mrfixit049@... | 11/09/06
Why IE7 is a non-starter  code_flogger | 11/09/06
Why run it on windoze  cls@... | 11/09/06
No duds here.  OKJoe | 11/09/06
Hail IE 7! Wow, tabbed browsing! The triumph of "Me too" 4 years later  jlkbiorg | 11/09/06
The article is rubbish and very negative.  Riscy00 | 11/09/06
2.0 is fine for me  tbcass | 11/10/06
FIrefox still rules  wuboyblue | 11/10/06
2.0 a dud?  obilesk | 11/10/06

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