I/O reliability is more important than speed
qmlscycrajg | 02/15/08
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Give me some proof.
bjbrock | 02/15/08
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I don't believe this
tbcass | 02/18/08
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And for the comsumer, 99% might be ...
mwagner@... | 02/19/08
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Vista isn't more reliable at my house.
marabrook@... | 02/18/08
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Vista SP1 is supposed to address ...
mwagner@... | 02/19/08
|

i just dont have problems with xp pro, whats your deal
pcguy777 | 02/18/08
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How is Vista more reliable in IO?
w_c_mead | 02/18/08
|

False assertion, reliability; XP still wins.
PhilippeV | 02/18/08
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so reliable, it burned my hard drive twice
jdubray | 02/18/08
|

There is nothing in Vista that says it is more reliable in IO
royalef | 02/18/08
|

crap
bonga1td@... | 02/19/08
|

why
thomaswort@... | 03/20/08
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Drive to drive single file...
bjbrock | 02/15/08
|

Did you quit timing...
bjbrock | 02/15/08
|
 
When Windows was done ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
  
I wonder how long...
bjbrock | 02/15/08
|
   
Mark Russinovich talked about this; XPs dialog closes long before committal
PB_z | 02/16/08
|
    
Define "long before" though ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
     
about Russinovich
eggmanbubbagee@... | 02/16/08
|
    
From Russinovich excerpt...
Solid Water | 02/17/08
|
     
Mistaken...
dracolich_prgrm | 02/18/08
|
    
Same "smart" lawyers "proved" that O.J. Simpson is innocent.
Just_true | 02/18/08
|

Probably ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|

What about other copy utilities
jmchugh@... | 03/20/08
|
Wow.
lostarchitect | 02/15/08
|

Keeping XP
w_c_mead | 02/18/08
|
 
yes, MS made it pretty, not effective
brendan@... | 02/18/08
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Don the tinfoil hats maties....
JT82 | 02/15/08
|

And so the game continues...
RS9 | 02/20/08
|
 
What!?
boberuski | 03/20/08
|
I've benchmarked XP SP3 ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|

Does the EULA prevent you...
jasonp@... | 02/15/08
|
 
Pretty much
Stuka | 02/15/08
|
 
Here's the relevant bit:
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
  
XP SP3 is 10% faster than XP SP2
stevey_d | 02/15/08
|
  
That clause is probably contestable
frgough | 02/15/08
|
   
Free speech is only applicable to the government. (nt)
ye | 02/15/08
|
    
In constitutional theory yes.
frgough | 02/15/08
|
     
I repeat: It applies to the government.
ye | 02/15/08
|
     
Madonna
frgough | 02/15/08
|
     
The Madonna case appears to have involed the government.
ye | 02/15/08
|
     
Which theory?
CobraA1 | 02/16/08
|
     
Constitution haters should just leave.
bmerc | 02/19/08
|
     
The Madonna was painted on canvas,
dbradshaw@... | 02/19/08
|
    
Disagree
CobraA1 | 02/16/08
|
     
The First Amendment does not cover private entities
ye | 02/16/08
|
     
Says who?
CobraA1 | 02/16/08
|
     
the us constitution is the supreme law of the land.
pcguy777 | 02/18/08
|
    
Not in the United States of America.
B.O.F.H. | 02/16/08
|
     
You seem to be minunderstanding what I wrote.
ye | 02/16/08
|
     
What does this have to do with the SP3 EULA??
ThereThere | 02/19/08
|
    
I think it's an open question...
John L. Ries | 02/18/08
|
     
seperation of M$ and state
jaybyrd | 02/18/08
|
     
RE; disclosure
John_Doe69 | 02/18/08
|
   
Not likely
laura.b | 02/15/08
|
    
Contracts are not universally enforceable
frgough | 02/15/08
|
     
But this one is
laura.b | 02/15/08
|
     
There is an exception
soonerproud | 02/16/08
|
    
Agreements, Contracts, Licenses, Oh My
DannyO_0x98 | 02/15/08
|
     
This is a beta
laura.b | 02/18/08
|
   
Free speech: in reality or in fairy tales?
ozzie_tech | 02/18/08
|
   
Restricted
ldelorenzo | 02/18/08
|
   
You give up your "free speech" rights
Furiousrog | 02/19/08
|
    
Spoken like a true attorney
Ole Man | 02/19/08
|
  
So get written approval
Michael Kelly | 02/15/08
|
  
Agreement
LBean | 02/15/08
|
  
What dioes the Vista SP 1 EULA say?
jasonp@... | 02/15/08
|

Those EULA is just a joke
magallanes | 02/18/08
|

SP3 SLOWER than SP2 ?
wwwsupport | 02/18/08
|

I've benchmarked XP SP3
aussieblnd@... | 02/18/08
|

Eula; why prevent users from knowing performance?
bicard | 02/18/08
|
 
It has to be a fair test.
ben.rattigan | 02/19/08
|

can you mime the results?
talukdar_m@... | 02/18/08
|
Not much difference
itpro_z | 02/15/08
|

perhaps you should enable indexing...
stevey_d | 02/15/08
|
 
Try it?
itpro_z | 02/15/08
|
  
Vista's Search
soonerproud | 02/16/08
|
 
Can't. Huge security risk
xuniL_z | 02/16/08
|
  
All email goes through the internet, and most is unencrypted
stevey_d | 02/18/08
|
   
It's in writing....that's why. Normally intranet search indexing is not...
xuniL_z | 02/20/08
|
Thank you!
kd5auq | 02/15/08
|

Yes, the MMCSS issue is still there ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
Edition?
Comnenus | 02/15/08
|

Ultimate
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
Adrian, did you let Vista finish indexing the disk?
wolf_z | 02/15/08
|

Yes
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|

if the documents folder are empty, there's nothing to index!
qmlscycrajg | 02/15/08
|

Finish Indexing
jdawgnoonan | 02/16/08
|
 
Funny
soonerproud | 02/16/08
|
Did you do a Vista to Vista SP1 test?
stevey_d | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
g_keramidas@... | 02/15/08
|
What is the power saving setting at? (nt)
ye | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
LBean | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
lance.stevens@... | 02/15/08
|

Um...
slopoke | 02/15/08
|

i think with that hardware it'd be tough to see a difference
stevey_d | 02/15/08
|

How about video games?
jdawgnoonan | 02/16/08
|
 
If you are talking about pre SP1 Vista
xuniL_z | 02/16/08
|
Yo Adriannnnnnn...
D. T. Schmitz | 02/15/08
|

Typo: That's "Why AREN'T"
D. T. Schmitz | 02/15/08
|
Thanks for the benchmarks!!
boed | 02/15/08
|
YO ADRIAN...
Mike Cox | 02/15/08
|

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey.
Arm A. Geddon | 02/15/08
|

Question? pffffffffffft (cough)
D. T. Schmitz | 02/15/08
|

You're right
John L. Ries | 02/18/08
|
Question about single file copies
boed | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
Bozzer | 02/15/08
|

re: George and Ed.
Arm A. Geddon | 02/15/08
|
 
For sure, for sure!
Ole Man | 02/15/08
|

Keith Combs actually strips out benchmark comments
boed | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
ThinkFr33ly | 02/15/08
|

Simple
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
WTF?! How is 4GB RAM middle of the road!!
afeazell@... | 02/15/08
|

2 GIG
boed | 02/15/08
|

Makes little difference ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
 
If you didn't test a typical configuration - 1 Gb RAM - you did it for who?
Just_true | 02/18/08
|

Adrian's road...
TranMan | 02/18/08
|

very true!
PhilippeV | 02/18/08
|
Wow
croberts | 02/15/08
|
Really, What percent of home users have 3.4GHz, 4GB, two HDs ???
Basic Logic | 02/15/08
|

I'll tell you what I'd like to try ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
 
Good idea!
boed | 02/15/08
|
 
Top idea!
Ben_E | 02/15/08
|
  
I could make a full-time job of this
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
   
It would still be better than my job! (NT)
Ben_E | 02/15/08
|
 
this is a great idea adrian; love to see the results
bicard | 02/18/08
|

True...
Ben_E | 02/15/08
|
 
Good point ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/15/08
|
  
Other testing...
Ben_E | 02/15/08
|
  
Windows 2000?
ChazzMatt | 02/18/08
|
  
Isn't the most relevant test...
gazzawazza | 02/19/08
|
 
I tend to disagree
boed | 02/15/08
|
  
What is this obsession with expecting a newer OS to run as fast or...
ye | 02/16/08
|
   
More or less
boed | 02/16/08
|
    
what is distracting Vista in the background
Ole Man | 02/17/08
|
   
Hellooo???
bmerc | 02/19/08
|
   
So by that theory....
gazzawazza | 02/20/08
|

What I have...
socialism=nowhere | 02/18/08
|

Two HD
Hsbarney@... | 02/18/08
|
Please post benchmarks for Windows 2003 with SP2
kchahal | 02/15/08
|
Not shabby
boed | 02/15/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
agifal@... | 02/15/08
|

OK ... but ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
What about Windows Defender?
agifal@... | 02/15/08
|

windows defender has NOT impact on file system copy operation
qmlscycrajg | 02/16/08
|
 
Are you sure about it?
agifal@... | 02/16/08
|
 
Some informal tests ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
  
Regarding Windows Defender ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
How about a realistic test
willm@... | 02/15/08
|
Gotto love the whinning apologists ...
wackoae | 02/15/08
|

The only thing that is slow is your brain...
agifal@... | 02/15/08
|
 
Aparently is faster than yours ....
wackoae | 02/16/08
|
  
Apparently you have never used Vista...
agifal@... | 02/16/08
|
   
Slow vs. Fast
boed | 02/16/08
|
   
Name calling is not going to make Vista faster ...
wackoae | 02/16/08
|
    
Pot calling Kettle, come in Kettle
bmerc | 02/19/08
|
  
The question is: Is Vista too slow for what you need to do?
ye | 02/16/08
|
   
Yes
boed | 02/16/08
|
    
That depends on a number of factors.
ye | 02/16/08
|
   
Does your point also mean that Linux is better than Vista? Explain. (NT)
Just_true | 02/19/08
|
 
If that car came with that luggage pre-install from the assembly line ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
  
To be fair Adrian AV is added to XP almost universally these days.
ye | 02/16/08
|
   
Yes, I agree ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
    
I understand. But in this instance Vista is doing more.
ye | 02/16/08
|
    
Adrian, would it be of use
xuniL_z | 02/17/08
|
 
Not exactly,
Arkyn1 | 02/17/08
|

speeds are negligible when you consider
xuniL_z | 02/17/08
|

Vista S-L-O-W
TranMan | 02/18/08
|
What OS was the network share running?
PB_z | 02/16/08
|

Network shares were all Vista SP1 ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
 
go for Network share test
xTalk | 02/16/08
|
XP VRS Vista
claymann39@... | 02/16/08
|

Sorry ... but ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|

Tin Hats
Mr. Big | 02/16/08
|
 
That's one inconvenient truth...
srkinyon | 02/18/08
|

Bunk!
Ole Man | 02/17/08
|
Some thoughts
boed | 02/16/08
|

Here's how I do it ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
4GB ram
fanofflyn | 02/16/08
|

The system recognizes ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
DRM
boed | 02/16/08
|
o
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|

Title should have been ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/16/08
|
more evidence Vista sucks
shoktai@... | 02/16/08
|

Did you need evidence?
boed | 02/16/08
|

So what's stopping you? (nt)
ye | 02/16/08
|
How many people submitted this to other places?
boed | 02/16/08
|
Unfair!
steveballmar@... | 02/16/08
|

Activity should not be Confused with Productivity
JWorthington | 02/18/08
|
SD
pupkin_z | 02/16/08
|
Product Loyalty!
steveballmar@... | 02/16/08
|
Use DOS if you need performance
pa2004 | 02/16/08
|
These Benchmarks are irrelevant to real world use.
xuniL_z | 02/16/08
|

Then take the time to create your own benchmarks
Mr. Big | 02/16/08
|
you dont judge a car by its speed
code_Warrior | 02/17/08
|

Worthy of XP?!
xTalk | 02/17/08
|
 
thats what BMW did and its a major success
code_Warrior | 02/17/08
|

When I'm getting passed on the streets by mopeds I do
boed | 02/17/08
|
 
you ought to be riding mopeds
code_Warrior | 02/17/08
|
 
what kind of jalopy do you drive
BrutalTruth | 02/17/08
|
  
The Vista Cruiser
boed | 02/17/08
|
   
Holy chit thats funny!
macrocosm@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
Gramaul | 02/17/08
|
Vista 64?
Gramaul | 02/17/08
|
Isn't the Vista Service pack only a Release Candidate?
Gramaul | 02/17/08
|

No
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/17/08
|
Sweet!
boed | 02/17/08
|
Vista vs XP
codypetry@... | 02/17/08
|

one file fails due to one reason or another the entire process doesn't fail
Ole Man | 02/17/08
|
Responsiveness is more important than speed
qmlscycrajg | 02/17/08
|
DOS was faster
tonymcs@... | 02/17/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
omaraljarrah@... | 02/17/08
|
Vista Ultimate vs. Vista Ultimate SP1
omaraljarrah@... | 02/18/08
|
Excellent Analysis! Nice work! Honest and Unbiased!
richard.ashford@... | 02/18/08
|
I agree
willgart@... | 02/18/08
|
Everyone is Missing the Point
brewakeg | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
MarkyGoldstein | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
davekrol@... | 02/18/08
|
Good testing, thx. Question-
crypt2121 | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
rachadbn@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
pc.williams@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
craig.uszak@... | 02/18/08
|
Benchmarks not the only measure, was Aero on?
cmartin@... | 02/18/08
|

Areo IS Vista
ChazzMatt | 02/18/08
|
As fast as technology advances...
masonwheeler | 02/18/08
|
MS sold us a Lemon (Vista) !
wwwsupport | 02/18/08
|

Not really
crypt2121 | 02/18/08
|
 
Not Really Really
wwwsupport | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
raharrin@... | 02/18/08
|
Great idea!
MultiMike | 02/18/08
|
Remember when...
pooby4444 | 02/18/08
|
Unripe, not green
MultiMike | 02/18/08
|
No excuses
green alien | 02/18/08
|
Come on
dobick@... | 02/18/08
|
Middle of the Road??
al@... | 02/18/08
|
I love Vista Ultimate
elliottxp | 02/18/08
|
Dont care about file moving times
Crestview | 02/18/08
|
Vista a Losing Proposition
NameRedacted | 02/18/08
|
Just like Mulinum
AZson | 02/18/08
|
Benchmarks
jerryack@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
michaelandbonnie@... | 02/18/08
|

lol
atari8bit@... | 02/18/08
|
slightly prejudice aren't we.
michaelandbonnie@... | 02/18/08
|

In which case...
John L. Ries | 02/18/08
|
My home fileserver still runs Windows 2000 pro...
nix_hed | 02/18/08
|

oops...
nix_hed | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
atari8bit@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
Samuel C. | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
Samuel C. | 02/18/08
|
Not a fair test. Get in here...
sharon@... | 02/18/08
|

you're right
atari8bit@... | 02/18/08
|

Yeah, but look at the spec
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 02/18/08
|
 
Ok you win
atari8bit@... | 02/19/08
|

It is a fair test.
ChazzMatt | 02/18/08
|
 
The same for Win95 vs. WinXP on a 10 years old PC....
sharon@... | 02/19/08
|
Las pruebas son las que mandan
raphael.munoz@... | 02/18/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
zilsker | 02/18/08
|
ok,but which has the better network code
conan99 | 02/18/08
|
No cumulative improvements
heyjohn@... | 02/18/08
|
64 bit?
DEK46656 | 02/18/08
|
re
jimk_z | 02/18/08
|
Wow!! Not One No_Ax Post!
itanalyst | 02/18/08
|
Aha Nice topic!
monukwt@... | 02/18/08
|
Nice topic!
ian_elevado@... | 02/19/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
mjhieu@... | 02/19/08
|
When XP SP3 Comes Out...
cjnollet@... | 02/19/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
evans_5@... | 02/19/08
|
When is hard drive technology going to catch up?
gwillcox@... | 02/19/08
|
The vast majority are happy with Vista,
ThereThere | 02/19/08
|
Vista performance much worse for average users
jim.denny@... | 02/19/08
|
The same for Win95 vs. WinXP....
sharon@... | 02/19/08
|
Nobody tech-educated expected SP1 to...
shoktai@... | 02/19/08
|
Benchmark(s)?
geof.newton@... | 02/19/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
mwagner@... | 02/19/08
|
A very narrow comparison of performance
jtrent@... | 02/19/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
911grandpa | 02/19/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
john@... | 02/19/08
|
WHY 32BIT
gaspah@... | 02/19/08
|
Vista SP1 marginally slower on my system
dcarrington01@... | 02/20/08
|

Did you get written permission from Microsoft
Ole Man | 02/20/08
|
Multi-Core Processor - Vista
johnsubscriptions@... | 02/23/08
|
Huh?
spookyone1 | 02/23/08
|
vista were
johni123 | 02/24/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
Reged | 02/25/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
bongomundo | 03/03/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
steve@... | 03/03/08
|
VISTA SP1 versus XPSP2
ramnet@... | 03/03/08
|
Where I live...
name4menu@... | 03/04/08
|

But isn't this ???
cjcon | 03/14/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
kianlav | 03/20/08
|
RE: Vista SP1 vs. XP SP2 - Benchmarked
kianlav | 03/20/08
|
RE: Server 2008 vs. Vista SP1 64bit - Benchmarked
Niptech | 04/06/08
|
Nothing new here
johnnydoe1894 | 12/30/08
|
Why not try comparing Vista and XP by price rather than Benchmarks?
Valen Celcia | 04/18/09
|