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April 15th, 2008

Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 5:53 am

Categories: Apple

Tags: EULA, Apple Inc., Psystar, Monopoly Law, Apple Mac OS X, Operating Systems, Software, Apple Mac OS, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Psystar, a Miami-based OEM which is now offering OS X on generic PC hardware, claims that Apple’s restrictive licensing terms violates U.S. monopoly laws. Whoa, bold claim there. Better have some deep pockets if the company wants to take the fight to court.

In an interview with InformationWeek, a Psystar employee identifying himself only as Robert openly attacks Apple’s Mac OS X EULA.

But Psystar said Monday that the company believes Apple’s terms violate U.S. monopoly laws. “What if Microsoft said you could only install Windows on Dell computers?” said a Psystar employee.

The employee, who would only identify himself as Robert, said Apple grossly overcharges for the hardware on which its operating systems, including Leopard, come preinstalled. “They’re charging an 80% markup on hardware,” Robert said in a brief phone interview.

He also said Psystar believes Apple’s prohibition against third-party installations might not hold up in court: “What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?”

There seems to be three issues here. One whether Apple is a monopoly. In the words of Homer Simpson, that’s for the courts to decide. The second issue here is whether Apple overcharges customers for products. Well, as long as people are willing to pay what Apple is asking, that’s not much of an issue. Finally, are EULAs legal or enforceable? The EULA part is interesting because the validity of the EULA has never been tested in court, and as much as I’d like to see that happen, I seriously doubt that Psystar has the cash to be able to get this as far as court. I don’t think we’re going to see the validity of the EULA get tested in court over this issue.

The concept of an “open” PC where users are free to install onto it whatever OS they want is a great idea, and to be honest if users buy an Psystar OpenMac system and install Leopard onto it themselves, I seriously doubt that even Apple would bother chasing up owners to tell them that their install of OS X violates the EULA. What’s far more likely to happen is that Apple takes the same approach as with the iPhone and release updates that would trash these installations. Not nice, but as we saw with unlocked iPhones, Apple is not above this kind of behavior. However, if Psystar continues to offer OS X, a cease and desist letter can’t be that far in the future.

As for the whole thing about EULAs violating monopoly laws stuff, I can’t see that being anything more than howling at the moon. If this really was the case then I would have expected one of the big OEMs (Dell, HP …) to have already decided to challenge Apple on this. We’ve not seen this happen so I’m not going to hold my breath over Psystar’s claims.

Thoughts?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  elvisnixon@... | 04/15/08
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actually  s_souche | 04/15/08
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I Did Happen  Harry Bardal | 04/15/08
On topic? Sure...but  laura.b | 04/15/08
OSX TERMS are ILLEGAL !!!!  JABBER_WOLF | 04/15/08
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RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  sergio.catlla@... | 04/15/08
Cheapskates like you who wants Apples IP for free will fund Psystar NOT!-NT  raycote | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  jabailo1 | 04/15/08
Mike Cox? (NT)  croberts | 04/15/08
Don't insult Mr. Cox . . .  JLHenry | 04/15/08
Now there is some deep research! PLEASE go do some reading - NT  raycote | 04/15/08
Will Apple respond?  Ken_z | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  nukturnal | 04/15/08
Pricing  Another IT guy | 04/15/08
Cheaper is not necessarily better, or even profitable  vikingnyc@... | 04/15/08
Your in full support of getting something for free but not of yours - NT  raycote | 04/15/08
Really easy for Apple to FIX  croberts | 04/15/08
sure.  rtk | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  Zeddd | 04/15/08
Sun, mainframes  davidr69 | 04/15/08
"Wildly Popular? In what universe?"  KaplanMike | 04/15/08
Sour Apples  RedM3 | 04/15/08
Sony v. Connectix puts Apple in a corner  mel@... | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Just Because  annie.young@... | 04/15/08
It's called a Vertically Integrated Business Model  brownreese | 04/15/08
It's called a Vertically Integrated Business Model  brownreese | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  cpushrink1@... | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  mwagner@... | 04/15/08
Off your rocker...  jhurst747 | 04/15/08
Rocker: Re-Engaged  mel@... | 04/15/08
I'm not sure . . .  JLHenry | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  jhurst747 | 04/15/08
Three times the cost? Oh please  KaplanMike | 04/15/08
Extra cost on Apples  Mr_Dave | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  clareJ | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  Jim from Indy | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  vilppuu@... | 04/15/08
APPLE OSX TERMS ARE ILLEGAL!!!  JABBER_WOLF | 04/15/08
Your own words say it is legal  Jimwa | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  JABBER_WOLF | 04/15/08
Remember the clones licensed by Apple?  labarker | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  ggossett001 | 04/15/08
Amusing  aureolin@... | 04/15/08
Policing  Harry Bardal | 04/15/08
And Apple DID . . .  JLHenry | 04/15/08
Hardly  aureolin@... | 04/16/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  plovelace@... | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  plovelace@... | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  plovelace@... | 04/15/08
This is awesome  jrit | 04/15/08
Apple has always  Ken_z | 04/15/08
Is it illegal or against Apple's EULA?  NoThomas | 04/15/08
Sticker makes the difference.  djchandler | 04/15/08
About the same price  NoThomas | 04/15/08
PUhleeeeze!!!  JLHenry | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  tech_ed@... | 04/15/08
I could be wrong, but...  djchandler | 04/15/08
Let's blame Eve  BALTHOR | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  dfruk@... | 04/15/08
Keys here are the def. of  AJRitz | 04/15/08
It's called a Vertically Integrated Business Model  brownreese | 04/15/08
How many times are you going to . . .  JLHenry | 04/15/08
Sizzle.  djchandler | 04/15/08
Please prove that Apple is . . .  JLHenry | 04/15/08
Why do Apple bashers personalize their attacks?  brownreese | 04/15/08
Get a grip!  djchandler | 04/15/08
Vertical monopoly.  djchandler | 04/15/08
And I . . .  JLHenry | 04/16/08
Me too!  djchandler | 04/18/08
EXACTLY! BUT!  Fujikid2 | 04/15/08
You nailed the reason why Apple zealots are terrified of this  NonZealot | 04/15/08
Nobody wants to be called a sucker.  djchandler | 04/15/08
Speaking of Woz  laura.b | 04/16/08
The Others  fakejake3 | 04/15/08
Could it be?  djchandler | 04/15/08
Dell?  fakejake3 | 04/15/08
Just an example.  djchandler | 04/15/08
Right  fakejake3 | 04/16/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  phatkat | 04/15/08
the clone market might INCREASE Apple's penetration of the market  jlafitte | 04/15/08
There is more to Macs price than just the hardware or software  gmureddu@... | 04/15/08
re: There is more to Macs  Badgered | 04/16/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  straybeat_z | 04/15/08
re: Perogative  Badgered | 04/16/08
Spark Plugs?? Tires???  Narg | 04/15/08
Forgetting Something ?  df03472 | 04/15/08
actually  Badgered | 04/16/08
AT LAST !!!!!  Fujikid2 | 04/15/08
ahhh  Badgered | 04/16/08
TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE...  Cayble | 04/15/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  as901 | 04/16/08
Irrelevant Claims  The Ash Man | 04/16/08
So What !!! The Psystar OpenMac will die after the next Mac OS X Update !!!  GiveMeGizmos | 04/16/08
Not a brick  chuck@... | 04/21/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  ltcingalt | 04/16/08
I remember those Apple II clones!  chuck@... | 04/21/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  chuck@... | 04/21/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  bsaunders43 | 05/01/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  Neo0071 | 07/16/08
RE: Psystar: Apple's terms violate U.S. monopoly laws  skydivebob | 08/29/08

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