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December 11th, 2006

Bricked Xbox 360 leads to $5M lawsuit against Microsoft

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 6:03 am

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Back in early November I covered a story about a Microsoft Xbox Live update which bricked at least one console.  At the time a few readers commented saying that they wouldn't be surprised if this ended up in a lawsuit - well, they were right!

Kevin Ray of California claims that his Xbox 360 was bricked by the Xbox Live update on November 1 and claims that Microsoft would not fix his console unless he paid up $140 (it is a little hazy whether Ray's console was modded or not).  Ray then filed the class action in a Washington federal court.  This seeks over $5 million in damages and free repair of all Xbox 360s damaged by the update.

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It's hard to see if this case is going to go anywhere.  On the one hand Microsoft claims that the number of affected consoles is tiny, while lawyers for Ray say this isn't so and that "a Google search of the terms 'xbox 360' and 'brick' or 'bricking' shows over 15,000 results."  I've done similar searches and it doesn't prove anything - I just did a search for "poodle bursts into flames" and got 69,000 hits, but that doesn't point to a defect in poodles which causes them to spontaneously combust.  What's more interesting that Googling about the problem is keeping an eye on Xbox related sites such as Major Nelson.  The chatter there does seem to indicate that both the Fall update and the late November 1080p update caused a number of users a significant amount of grief.

This isn't the first Xbox 360 related lawsuit - The first was filed in Illinois by Chicago resident Robert Byers on December 2, 2005, just weeks after the console launched.  Byers claimed that the Xbox 360 was "known to Microsoft to contain a design defect," when it was discovered that some consoles ran too hot and overheated.  The two cases share one similarity - the lawyers filed suit without having any real evidence for the scale of the problem - websites, blog posts and forum threads just isn't the kind of evidence a judge wants to see.  On top of that, the lawsuit didn't even claim that Byers had himself encountered any problems with his console.  The upshot of this case was that on March 29, 2006, Byers filed for voluntary dismissal.

My take on this is simple - if a Microsoft update trashes an unmodded console, it should pick up the tab for a fix.  Period.  Maybe the real design issue here is that it's too easy to trash the firmware in the first place and that it's too hard to fix it - pretty much the same problem that BIOSes had a few years ago.  A simple recovery routine that allowed the user to reflash from USB key or disc would dramatically reduce on downtime and the number of returns under warranty - everyone's then happy! 

As for the lawsuit, I think it's another example of frivolous use of the courts.  All hardware is prone to problems, but this problem didn't cause any loss of life, injury, damage or loss of property so asking for $5 million is extreme to say the least.  If I could get $5M for everything that went wrong around me … well, I'd be blogging from my own personal Hawaiian island.

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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My 360 bricked in November due to the Fall Update as well
It's not just him. The guy who wrote the article has no clue how many people Microsoft affected with their Fall 2006 Update(or I can it the Fall 2006 Virus). It affected mine, but thankfully I bough... (Read the rest)
Posted by: ice_relo2k2@... Posted on: 02/15/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
I think there is a problem here  xuniL_z | 12/11/06
I'm seeing ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 12/11/06
Apparently it was fixed when you looked then  xuniL_z | 12/11/06
I'm seeing.....  xuniL_z | 12/11/06
5 Million?  da_king | 12/11/06
Ummm. 84% plus 16% equals 100%  nomorems | 12/11/06
you got me good  xuniL_z | 12/11/06
Sarcasm...  Information_z | 12/11/06
That Sucks  bobiroc | 12/11/06
ROTFLMAO  GMTobias | 12/11/06
exactly  Hogleg | 12/11/06
What's so funny?  John Zern | 12/11/06
RE: What's so funny?  JakAttak | 12/11/06
My 360 bricked in November due to the Fall Update as well  ice_relo2k2@... | 02/15/07
MS should fix it.  osreinstall | 12/11/06
well if its really a update  Quebec-french | 12/11/06
My 360 was bricked  Renceward | 12/11/06
So Glad I waited  bobiroc | 12/11/06
Nasty  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 12/11/06
Just for you happy  Sabz5150 | 12/12/06
extended warranty  JohnRussell | 12/12/06
5 million?  justinvoels | 12/11/06
It's relative  slopoke | 12/11/06
i agree  gearsof360 | 12/11/06
Was it modded or not?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/11/06
And if it was not?  Sabz5150 | 12/12/06
If their update trashes a good product, they should  nucrash | 12/11/06
Bricked my 360 , just waiting for replacement  MaxOnTheEdge | 12/11/06
Repaired at no cost  MaxOnTheEdge | 12/12/06
Trust Microsoft fools  wizardb@... | 12/11/06
more then likey  gearsof360 | 12/11/06
no mod  MaxOnTheEdge | 12/12/06
Fantastic!  MaxOnTheEdge | 12/12/06
Nice one!  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 12/13/06
I hope a wise Judge hears this case!  jstasiak@... | 12/12/06
this kids got a point!!  gearsof360 | 12/12/06
If he modded..  bobiroc | 12/12/06
YOU ARE ALL MORONS!!!  JimmyJo | 12/12/06
Your analogy sucks  bobiroc | 12/13/06
A bit right...  JimmyJo | 12/13/06
Not mad at the kid  bobiroc | 12/13/06
perhaps a fitting example  Daybee | 12/14/06

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