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May 14th, 2008

Content Protection madness on Vista

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 5:46 am

Categories: DRM, Entertainment, Industry

Tags: Screen, Microsoft Windows Vista, Cintiq, DVD, Consumer Electronics, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Digital Rights Management (DRM), Personal Technology, Home Entertainment, Operating Systems

[UPDATE: For more on this issue, check out this post.]

I’m a firm believer in the idea that if you pay for hardware, you should be able to make full use of it. However, DRM and content protection mechanisms are increasingly making this difficult for people.

Content Protection madness on VistaHere’s a perfect example of what I mean. My wife, Kathie, has three screens fitted to her PC - two 22-inch widescreen panels and a Wacom Cintiq 12WX graphics tablet/screen (and here I am slumming it in front of two 22-inch widescreen panels). This configuration works well for her given the types of work she undertakes and she makes very good use of the three screens.

The other day she decided to use the Cintiq screen as a screen for DVD playback. So she popped a DVD into the drive (I’m not sure what the title was, but I am certain that it didn’t feature any helicopter explosions, zombies, Aliens, Predators, or Crow T. Robot), fired up Windows Media Player on Vista Ultimate, moved WMP 11 to the Cintiq screen, and started the DVD.

And that’s when the problems started. The output resembled a full screen of jumbled up mosaic of small Tetris blocks that shifted every second or so. Uh-oh. Move the WMP 11 screen to a different screen and Sleepless in Seattle or whatever it was came back into focus, move it to the Cintiq window and back came the Tetris blocks (and where Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan are concerned, personally I preferred the Tetris blocks, but Kathie didn’t share - or appreciate - my input on this matter). Sure, she could play the DVD on one of the other screens, but that’s hardly the point.

OK, so what the hell’s going on here? I started thinking that it was something up with the Cintiq, but the screen had no problems displaying WMV, MPG and MP4 movie files, so it wasn’t anything to do with the screen.

This left content protection. Hmmm. She does have an LG GGW-H20L Super Multi combo Blu-ray writer/Blu-ray/HD-DVD/DVD/CD reader fitted, and Meg and Tom were being piped to the PC from this drive. However, the disc was a DVD and not a Blu-ray or HD-DVD, but that doesn’t stop HDCP from kicking in and trying to validate the display device.

There was one way to check if this issue was related to content protection/copy protection - and that was to install SlySoft’s AnyDVD HD which silently and effectively makes HDCP (as well as a lot of other hassles) disappear. So, after a quick one minute install it was time once again to see if Tom and Meg would grace us with their presence on the Cintiq - which they did. As I imagined, AnyDVD made the problem just go away. Ahh. I’m guessing that the issue here is that the Cintiq isn’t HDCP compatible and that this is what’s causing the content to be degraded.

Do I chalk up the cost of AnyDVD as part of the cost of upgrading to Vista? Hmm.

Now, I don’t have a problem with the concept of content protection and copy protection, but I do object to these schemes preventing users from making legal use of legitimately purchased content. It also bugs me that rather than display an error or warning, the content output was instead scrambled beyond comprehension, giving the impression of a fault rather than a deliberate action taken by the system.

DRM sucks.

Thoughts?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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This is insane!!  TristanGrimaux | 05/14/08
Vista Also Blocks Television Shows  chessmen | 05/14/08
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As of yet, I'm not sure about that ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
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I don't agree with you ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
Stupid question time!!!  JLHenry | 05/14/08
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Exactly! DRM IS a bug.........  Ole Man | 05/15/08
Woah there ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/15/08
Clearly the bug is related to ....  ShadeTree | 05/15/08
Wrong ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/15/08
Then how do you know it ....  ShadeTree | 05/15/08
Could this be a driver issue?  willpd13 | 05/15/08
All DRM is...  arminw | 05/15/08
The 'professional pirates' really like DRM. It makes their day in  hkommedal | 05/15/08
DRM is an excuse  Ole Man | 05/15/08
Good man - stop acting like a 10 year old brat  Paul Fletcher | 05/15/08
Probably doing WORK on the 22's  BillDem | 05/15/08
Why the different standard for Blu-ray?  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/15/08
Here in Europe you CAN watch it on OSX and Linux.  hkommedal | 05/15/08
It Is NOT just Vista  mejohnsn | 05/30/08
Also disagree  John L. Ries | 05/14/08
Real purpose of DRM  frgough | 05/14/08
Probably  John L. Ries | 05/14/08
re: Probably  none none | 05/14/08
Thank you!  tubr0 | 05/15/08
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RE: Careful, we could apply the logic elsewhere  bfilipiak@... | 05/15/08
Re: Real purpose of DRM.  hkommedal | 05/15/08
It's also know as theft  Ole Man | 05/15/08
Here is where you are wrong.  ShadeTree | 05/14/08
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Read the DMCA.  ShadeTree | 05/15/08
Better Idea: Revoke DMCA! (nt)  bmgoodman | 05/15/08
Re:Read the DMCA.  Ceridan | 05/15/08
That is why...  arminw | 05/15/08
And in EU it is ILLEGAL to PREVENT this.  hkommedal | 05/15/08
Unenforceable, btw...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/15/08
re: Here is where you are wrong.  none none | 05/14/08
Ownership of the content ....  ShadeTree | 05/15/08
re: Ownership of the content ....  none none | 05/15/08
Once again .....  ShadeTree | 05/15/08
re: Once again .....  none none | 05/15/08
In Europe you CAN legally display BluRay on Linux.  hkommedal | 05/15/08
She is a PAYING CUSTOMER ! She has the right to  hkommedal | 05/15/08
NOT much ado, DRM has definite problems  parawing@... | 05/16/08
Did she try using...  bjbrock | 05/14/08
Yeah ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
RE: Did she try using...  AndyCee | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  ibarskiy@... | 05/14/08
DRM is #1 of 2 reason I will NOT touch Vista  kcredden2 | 05/14/08
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mplayer  D. T. Schmitz | 05/14/08
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...  Linux User 147560 | 05/14/08
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...  Linux User 147560 | 05/14/08
The hard way?  LazLong | 05/14/08
more than that  Clewin | 05/15/08
Cheers!  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
Ever heard of Any DVD  marks055@... | 05/14/08
Didn't read the article did you? (NT)  SpikeyMike | 05/14/08
Just say "No!"  MGP2 | 05/14/08
THAT'S THE TICKET!  Ole Man | 05/14/08
I Say No! (NT)  chessmen | 05/14/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  mrdt | 05/14/08
THAT'S THE TICKET!  Ole Man | 05/14/08
How do you know  Pliny the Elder | 05/14/08
DVDs don't use HDCP  georgeou | 05/14/08
Exactly ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
This isn't an HDCP restriction though  georgeou | 05/14/08
Sounds like a driver issue to me  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/16/08
DVD user illegal Macrovision  Mectron | 05/14/08
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He is a crackpot which makes...  TtfnJohn | 05/15/08
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Regular videos seem fine ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
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That's what I thought ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/15/08
All in all, I have to agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/14/08
"...I have to agree with you" Who is this?  D. T. Schmitz | 05/14/08
It's Bit Byte  John L. Ries | 05/14/08
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I'm thinking drive too ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
The entire food chain must be digital.  osreinstall | 05/15/08
Not necessarily Microsoft's problem  alaniane@... | 05/15/08
Sure it is.  osreinstall | 05/15/08
It would seem that way if  alaniane@... | 05/16/08
I believe they could do something  osreinstall | 05/16/08
What your talking about here  alaniane@... | 05/16/08
Nothing is corrupted. It is DRM.  osreinstall | 05/16/08
No, I got the point perfectly  robbieharrison@... | 05/15/08
Sounds like a bug  NoThomas | 05/14/08
Of course it's a bug!  Ole Man | 05/14/08
No one ever dubbed  Pliny the Elder | 05/14/08
We are not discussing the contents  Ole Man | 05/14/08
Calm down 'Ole Man'  Pliny the Elder | 05/14/08
Not calm down.... think!  Ole Man | 05/15/08
Depends who owns the lock, doesn't it?  Zogg | 05/15/08
re: No one ever dubbed  none none | 05/15/08
OFF TOPIC ATTN: Adrian  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/14/08
Message has been deleted.  X41 | 05/14/08
RGB gets downgraded too  jgwinner | 05/14/08
Not to sound like a broken record...  SpikeyMike | 05/14/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  dave@... | 05/14/08
But ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/14/08
Get VLC, its free  Stuka | 05/14/08
Do your kids still hate Linux?  techboy_z | 05/14/08
No, it's a software problem  alaniane@... | 05/15/08
The name of the bug is DRM, and it is NOT doing it right. (nt)  hkommedal | 05/15/08
You have no idea what the bug is.  alaniane@... | 05/16/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  msalzberg | 05/14/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  DrConnors | 05/15/08
Who cares?  LucasKorso | 05/15/08
@ShadeTree  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/15/08
Your money funds all this!  scott1329 | 05/15/08
where are the Journo's with brains  Paul Fletcher | 05/15/08
RE: where are the Journo's with brains  ken@... | 05/15/08
I still check him out and a couple of the others  Paul Fletcher | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  wmcnair2@... | 05/15/08
It's going to get worse, a lot of problems!!!!  chaz15 | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness  chaz15 | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  zdnet@... | 05/15/08
Nice assumption.  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/15/08
Two points ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  1031982 | 05/15/08
Thinking Process  Rude Union | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  kjrider@... | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  Breetai | 05/15/08
Vista is first and foremost a DRM engine  heliomphalodon | 05/15/08
How is AnyDVD a cost of upgrading to vista?  notsofast | 05/15/08
Multiple monitors becoming more common  BillDem | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  erikswanson | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  drprod@... | 05/15/08
Ha, Ha, Ha may just be a Vista bug  mikifinaz1@... | 05/15/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  philami@... | 05/15/08
All this moaning and grumbling over DRM...  sykandtyed | 05/15/08
Sorry, but no  Samun56 | 05/16/08
Why Bother.....  xmeshman | 05/16/08
RE: Content Protection madness on Vista  jmsusanka | 05/16/08
"drm is a failure- apple has realized..."  enterpriseIT | 06/06/08

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