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May 23rd, 2008

Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 1:54 am

Categories: Linux

Tags: Ubuntu, Application, GIMP, OpenOffice.org, Evolution GIMP Adobe Photoshop, Pidgin, Linux Open Source Ecosystem, Linux, OpenOffice, Microsoft Windows

One of the aspects of migrating to Linux that puts many people off giving it a try is the idea of having to leave behind tried and trusted Windows applications and having to make the switch to something else. Sure, the Windows app cost money and the chances are good that a free open source replacement can be found, but migrating is a hassle, and making the switch when you don’t know what applications you’re going to switch to is unnerving.

With that in mind I’ve decided to put together a few posts that look at open source apps on Linux. These posts are aimed mostly at those people who are thinking about making the switch to Linux or who have started to but still rely on Windows a majority of the time (although if you are a veteran Linux user, feel free to chip in with hints and tips!).

In this first post I’m going to take a closer look at some of the applications that ship with Ubuntu 8.04 and which are ready to use as soon as you’ve installed and booted into Linux! See, after you’ve install Windows, you’ve got the OS, Notepad, Calculator and a few other bits and pieces. After installing a distro like Ubuntu you’ve got a whole raft of applications at your disposal.

Check out the gallery accompanying this post here

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and I plan to do that next after I learn how to set up a dual boot with Linux. Then I'll have to read up on how to use Wine, VMware, ect.... (Read the rest)
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Great! Some multimedia tips.  pjotr123 | 05/23/08
Multimedia Tips  rMatey | 05/23/08
I've posted this how-to on a website of mine  pjotr123 | 05/24/08
Thanks pjotr123  elderlybloke | 05/27/08
Awesome help  brittonv | 05/28/08
Great Howto  Alganon | 05/28/08
Great Tips  Professor Messer | 05/28/08
Incredible!!!  TranMan | 07/16/08
The last 1 percent of multimedia  pjotr123 | 05/23/08
You can still use it ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
My experience with turning off the Firefox extension compatibility check  mhenriday | 05/23/08
Linux browser is managed differently ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
That's right !  miso3 | 05/23/08
ok!  yewenbomnls | 05/25/08
Music on Linux  NOLFXceptMe | 05/23/08
Patience  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
Today is "what's there as soon as you install."  tracy anne | 05/23/08
Slackware, too (NT)  none none | 05/24/08
Indeed  tracy anne | 05/24/08
Duh!  watchmanz@... | 05/25/08
ditto on Amarok with PClinuxOS  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 05/26/08
Gnome vs KDE, not Ubuntu vs Mandriva  balaknair | 05/27/08
Actually...  DiBosco | 06/16/08
Amarok is the way, except ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
Amarok script  balaknair | 05/27/08
Well, he was talking about a *default* install  gmureddu@... | 05/23/08
Well, he was talking about a *default* install  tracy anne | 05/23/08
This is my only problem with the article. (nt)  devlin_X | 05/25/08
You're not helping...  awasson@... | 05/27/08
That's right!  Ole Man | 05/23/08
Rhythmbox  kolvas | 05/24/08
Yeah you're right  eMJayy | 05/27/08
Amarok  chromeronin | 05/27/08
Missed OOdraw  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
I Like Draw  DannyO_0x98 | 05/23/08
OO.o Suite  chromeronin | 05/27/08
Almost, not quite, only missing...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Wah wah.  D. T. Schmitz | 05/23/08
Actually, the more important parts are...  jasonp@... | 05/23/08
No arguement from me...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Really, no minimal about it. OpenOffice is a complete office suite that  DonnieBoy | 05/23/08
I don't nesscessarily agree with your opinion  marks055@... | 05/23/08
Look on the Web for GIMPshop.  OButterball | 05/23/08
You're thinking of GIMPshop  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
Thanks for that  marks055@... | 05/23/08
You obviously are not in business.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Information Rights?  stevey_d | 05/23/08
If it really bothers you  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
And yet, it was the most requested  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
re: Information Rights?  none none | 05/23/08
He's been blowing that smoke for a while...  storm14k | 05/23/08
Sure thin, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
Then I suppose my clients  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Re: Then I suppose my clients  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
Your clients...  storm14k | 05/23/08
You must not be in business if you waste time playing with baroque Office  DonnieBoy | 05/23/08
What you call a 'feature'...  Mitch 74 | 05/24/08
When was Microsoft granted a patent on "information"  Ole Man | 05/24/08
HEY NO AX  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
Information Rights Management?  grail@... | 05/27/08
Not exactly, but...  Mitch 74 | 05/23/08
Gimp and CinePaint  cjcoats | 05/26/08
Re: Gimp and CinePaint  r_widell | 05/28/08
Minimal?  TtfnJohn | 05/23/08
My needs are simply greater than yours.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Actually  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Styleref field.  frgough | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Well frgough  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Office automation not easily done?  stevey_d | 05/23/08
You obviously don't  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Encryption  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
Make stuff up much?  KTLA | 05/25/08
If you're trying to render an encrypted definition  Ole Man | 05/25/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Who the hell?  Kaiwai | 05/23/08
IRM  KTLA | 05/25/08
IRM = DRM  Ole Man | 05/25/08
Differently done, perhaps but not greater.  TtfnJohn | 05/24/08
So I looked it up...  daengbo | 05/28/08
Excellent Post!  joe.smetona@... | 05/28/08
Really good analysis, if only my students did this...  Jxn | 06/03/08
Not necessarily if they're "minimal"  gmureddu@... | 05/23/08
No argument from me either...  Jxn | 06/03/08
Nicely done.  D. T. Schmitz | 05/23/08
Nicely done.  D. T. Schmitz | 05/23/08
On other MultiMedia ......  Linux_4u! | 05/23/08
Good addition. For Ubuntu with Gnome, I recommend gxine.  pjotr123 | 05/23/08
Gxine is just the front end for Xine ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
Indeed the Xine and Mplayer backends are awesome!  gmureddu@... | 05/23/08
Interesting. If this was Windows, you'd call it Crapware  dunraven | 05/23/08
A huge difference. Nobody is paying Ubuntu to include these applications,  DonnieBoy | 05/23/08
Sort of like the crapware OEMs install on Windows.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/08
Now you're just trolling (NT)  none none | 05/23/08
I remember you  X41 | 05/23/08
crapware?  eMJayy | 05/27/08
Donnie you wont get the truth  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
The definition of "crapware"  Zogg | 05/23/08
Re: value  dunraven | 05/23/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Funny, that's EXACTLY what Fedora does...  Zogg | 05/23/08
With Fedora...  John L. Ries | 05/23/08
One Size Fits All  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
It's British for whine (nt)  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Try to be gentle with him/her  Ole Man | 05/23/08
Try telling that to the cheap PC manufacturers .  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
I guess you don't  alaniane@... | 05/27/08
The nice thing about the way Linux installs/uninstalls  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
Re: clean  dunraven | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
re:...  richdave | 05/23/08
Another nice thing is . . .  JLHenry | 05/23/08
Ehhh... yes and no  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
So you consider Office, Photoshop and Nero to be crapware.  Letophoro | 05/23/08
Open source alternatives are not comparable. (nt)  People | 05/23/08
Yours is NOT a rational statement  Ole Man | 05/24/08
RE: Yours is NOT a rational statement  sqr(cos(180)) | 05/27/08
re: Interesting. If this was Windows, you'd call it Crapware  none none | 05/23/08
Depends on your needs  dunraven | 05/23/08
Your definition is not the general one.  storm14k | 05/23/08
You'd never get a full version of photoshop running on a windows machine  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
When have you ever???  jkm2a@... | 05/28/08
Some critical differences  TripleII | 05/23/08
Crapware  dunraven | 05/23/08
Well, you have the option to not install.  TripleII | 05/23/08
C'mon dude  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
The advantage is....  John L. Ries | 05/23/08
Because on Windows its absolute crap  Kaiwai | 05/23/08
In addition...  psyntience | 05/25/08
And why do you suppose?  Ole Man | 05/25/08
Addressing the post you responded to  Ole Man | 05/25/08
Interesting  psyntience | 05/25/08
Dude , Balmer & Gates won't let full versions of Open Source  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
That's odd, too, psyntience  Ole Man | 05/25/08
Oddities  lazerousz | 05/25/08
As you will  Ole Man | 05/26/08
Skins and noses...  Ben_E | 05/26/08
I do have a tendancy to fight fire with fire, don't I?  Ole Man | 05/28/08
Dodo bird , it's called Mac OS 9 , not Mac OS IX .  None_Zealot | 05/26/08
Not the same in type  zclayton2 | 05/28/08
crapware and more  atari8bit@... | 06/15/08
Dont forget DVD Authoring..  HooNoze | 05/23/08
You can try this one ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
Thank you...  HooNoze | 05/23/08
Thanks MisterMiester!!  JCitizen | 05/27/08
ManDVD  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Looks cool...  HooNoze | 05/23/08
Good option if using Gnome ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
ManDVD not in the repositories ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
Alien is your friend  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Did try that, dependency issues ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
I could most likely get ManDVD to work ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
It's in the Marillat Repo  chadotter | 05/24/08
Thanks Adrian, Good read  bka1959 | 05/23/08
MoneyDance  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Thanks, I'll check it out. NT  bka1959 | 05/23/08
You're welcome!  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Nice article look forward to your follow ups  marks055@... | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
After a year of using Compiz/Beryl/Compix Fusion  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
KDE4  Real World | 05/23/08
Careful Michael  rtk | 05/26/08
Video Power  pj_mouse | 05/27/08
This exchange between HooNoze and MisterMiester ...  OButterball | 05/23/08
See? Then Linux User 147560 adds even MORE ...  OButterball | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Thanks Linux User 147560!!!  JCitizen | 05/27/08
And don't forget  frgough | 05/23/08
That's right ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
Just thank your luck stars  Ole Man | 05/23/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Worthless posts don't make money.  storm14k | 05/23/08
The value of time...  JCitizen | 05/27/08
" times change and you better learn to change with it."  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  bobpeg | 05/23/08
Several listed  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
I always start this argument  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
That's 2 that I owe you...  HooNoze | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Some changes...  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
It's $40.00 now  Linux User 147560 | 05/26/08
Re: Here are some apps that I use on a regular basis:  sqr(cos(180)) | 05/27/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/28/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  dunraven | 05/23/08
Lets try boiling it down to this  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 05/26/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  jdubow@... | 05/23/08
List of mostly layer 2 applications.  TripleII | 05/23/08
Cinelerra  Henry Miller | 05/23/08
LiVES works best for me  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
LiVES is the best bet...  TtfnJohn | 05/24/08
Sadly...  TtfnJohn | 05/24/08
agreed  sir_cheats_alot@... | 05/27/08
re: Cinelerra  none none | 05/25/08
Don't forget photo slideshows  Michael Kelly | 05/23/08
The 'not quite' problem...  Narg | 05/23/08
The GIMP factor.  TripleII | 05/23/08
Never going to happen.  frgough | 05/23/08
Gotta call FUD  TripleII | 05/23/08
Most especially if you don't give it a chance  Ole Man | 05/23/08
Actually...  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 05/26/08
"Not quite" not a problem  storm14k | 05/23/08
Crapware? Hardly!  progon | 05/23/08
Thanks, Adrian, for a really useful article,  mhenriday | 05/23/08
Great Blog Adrian!  chessmen | 05/23/08
Give PCLinuxOS a whirl  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 05/26/08
If you want a complete list of alternatives ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
I would add the following  tracy anne | 05/23/08
Beagle...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
does any other distro use the installer Ubuntu  marks055@... | 05/23/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/23/08
Thanks  marks055@... | 05/23/08
Mandriva used to have something similar  tracy anne | 05/23/08
There was a reason for that...  TtfnJohn | 05/24/08
Thanks that makes sense now  tracy anne | 05/24/08
you could use TopologiLinux  nilotpal_c | 05/24/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Windows  kwacka | 05/23/08
The 80/20 fallacy  frgough | 05/23/08
You and No Axe and Anton keep believing that.  TripleII | 05/23/08
what's Beryl and will it run with Ubuntu 8.04  marks055@... | 05/23/08
Flawlessly  TripleII | 05/23/08
what's Beryl and will it run with Ubuntu 8.04  marks055@... | 05/23/08
Thank you Adrian! Finally........  Ole Man | 05/23/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  grumpie@... | 05/23/08
Intellectual Pygmie Of the Year Goes To grumpie  Kaiwai | 05/23/08
Broadcom wireless adapter...  Solid Water | 05/23/08
Same with hardware not supported in Windows ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
"linux-based" crap  People | 05/23/08
If you talk the talk, then walk the walk ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/08
No wonder Zdnet is so crappy...  transposeIT | 05/24/08
Is that why you hang around here?  Ole Man | 05/24/08
When will everyone quit trying to equate Linux with Windows?  tracy anne | 05/24/08
Opinion...and opinions vary. I use both,  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
I will agree with you on one thing.  storm14k | 05/25/08
Based on your comments - then you are perfect for OO...  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
The (self-appointed) judge has spoken  Ole Man | 05/28/08
Huh?...  socialism=nowhere | 06/16/08
You're right...  jkm2a@... | 05/28/08
Thank God  ThereThere | 05/31/08
Missing the point  DiBosco | 06/16/08
Since this post today has been so helpful...  tech_walker | 05/23/08
It depends.  tracy anne | 05/24/08
You get what you pay for  fud_buster@... | 05/24/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/24/08
$100  TripleII | 05/24/08
Not true...  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
Do you have any facts?  TripleII | 05/26/08
GIMP  fud_buster@... | 05/27/08
Ouch - well researched...at least appears to be. NT  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
Help me find $1B Disney Link.  TripleII | 05/27/08
Now lets see  nilotpal_c | 05/24/08
Whoa, hold up a second...  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
Wrong  DiBosco | 06/16/08
Oh Joy!  TtfnJohn | 05/24/08
What  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
Touche'...nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
You get what you pay for...  Free_Thinker | 05/24/08
Very reasonable  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
"for $100 (give or take a few dollars) it's worth not having the hassle"  Ole Man | 05/24/08
Well Shoot  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
Done shot  Ole Man | 05/26/08
Yes, sure it does...  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
re:fud_b... I would worry about him he is pretty  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
"a troll himself and a schmuck"  Ole Man | 05/28/08
Actually Ole' you fit the bill more than most...  socialism=nowhere | 06/16/08
You just did, even though it was NOT your intention  Ole Man | 05/28/08
So if YOU post we believe the credibility, but if  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
You are free to believe whatever you want  Ole Man | 05/28/08
Actually your rather funny...  socialism=nowhere | 06/16/08
"real world" now that is funny...good joke...nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
RE: You get what you pay for  sboyce@... | 05/24/08
I think you miss my point...  fud_buster@... | 05/26/08
Sorry but I don't use crapware...  transposeIT | 05/24/08
Loverock, why the alias?  TripleII | 05/24/08
LOOK EVERYONE!@*!&@&!!! HE MENTIONS ME!!!@*)(@!!  Loverock Davidson | 05/24/08
Yes, we do, but keep it real.  TripleII | 05/25/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  yewenbomnls | 05/25/08
Good article on a difficult subject.  devlin_X | 05/25/08
Loverock, that was sad  nizuse | 05/25/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  watchmanz@... | 05/25/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  watchmanz@... | 05/25/08
Open Office/Microsoft Office Compatability  KameZero | 05/25/08
Compatibility  cjcoats | 05/26/08
OpenOffice reads/writes MS formats.  Gary.P.Cole | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  cjcoats | 05/26/08
I can't believe how many feedback posts  simon@... | 05/26/08
Goof for you! This may help....  pjotr123 | 05/26/08
Passion and energy yes - but if you read  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
So people that  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
If you haven't go the money  tonymcs@... | 05/26/08
It'll never happen...  fud_buster@... | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Save the whales foundation...or Socialists for Freedom - LOL  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
"...  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
... part 2  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Amen...  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
"How The Mighty Have Fallen"  Ole Man | 05/28/08
re:Ole'...you bonehead I was actully impressed with Linux Users veiw..  socialism=nowhere | 06/16/08
"How people spend their money is really none of anyones business"  Ole Man | 05/28/08
Man you are a funny little boy...nt  socialism=nowhere | 06/16/08
I have to agree...my Nikon D300 came with  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Gimp  pj_mouse | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  atari8bit@... | 05/26/08
The problem is  CreepinJesus | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Good point - that's funny . Of course since you didn't  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
Need a killer app, Linux? Get iTunes running.  jayconverse | 05/27/08
What for?  Mitch 74 | 05/27/08
Is the music DRM infected?  TripleII | 05/27/08
And as usual  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Remote Access to Windows 2003 Server and others  jameskel@... | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
GIMP  wcb42ad | 05/27/08
Alice in linux-land.  magallanes | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  cymru999 | 05/27/08
Evolution is not ready for prime time  Emilio_z | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Exporting Groups only manually  Emilio_z | 05/27/08
Not time consuming at all...  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Ubuntu's "apps"...  Narg | 05/27/08
The same old "Linux will take over the desktop this year" yelp  Swin | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
Thanks for the Info!  other_native | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  bearlyworking | 05/27/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/27/08
And a couple of other list of equivalents.......  LazLong | 05/27/08
Might being the key word - it will be entertaining to watch...  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
The import phrase in your opening is ...  mwagner@... | 05/27/08
Bang On.  TripleII | 05/27/08
The OS-less PC does nothing ...  mwagner@... | 05/27/08
Exactly...nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
Interesting comment. However,  socialism=nowhere | 05/27/08
I'm planning a PCLOS dual boot..  JCitizen | 05/27/08
What about virtualization  SeanGee | 05/27/08
Good point;..  JCitizen | 07/18/08
How about the most important application..  JCitizen | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  sackbut | 05/27/08
GIMP is much better at a lot of things than Photoshop  james.faction | 05/27/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  vivektanavde | 05/28/08
example of why open-source isn't ready  Khyron | 05/28/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/28/08
VMWare  CreepinJesus | 05/28/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/28/08
Consider Mandriva Linux  kwilco | 05/28/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  rmurphyr@... | 05/28/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  mgrubb@... | 05/28/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/28/08
More ill informed Windows centric stuff.  DiBosco | 06/16/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  ethyrdude | 05/28/08
Insignificant Point  Vivek Nair | 05/29/08
Try it on windows first  mactece | 05/29/08
Lure people away from Mac OS!  stephen_p_morgan@... | 05/29/08
IM software suggestion  martian@... | 05/29/08
Some more apps...  Linux User 147560 | 05/29/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  jyesj@... | 06/02/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  The Rifleman | 06/03/08
Simplicity is too complicated for most folks  Ole Man | 06/08/08
RE: Adventures with open source apps on Linux - Part 1  jcorkrum@... | 06/05/08
Love ubuntu..hate the installs  proton_z | 06/29/08

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