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July 16th, 2008

Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 8:01 am

Categories: Apple, Legal

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Psystar, Apple Mac OS, Desktops, Operating Systems, Software, Hardware, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

The revelation yesterday that Apple had filed suit against the Florida-based Mac-clone outfit Psystar generated a lot of commentary and questions from readers. So much so that I’ve decided to try to cover some of them in this post.

Why is Apple suing Psystar?

Apple vs. PsystarWell, to put it simply, Apple believes that Psystar has no right to sell systems pre-loaded with the Mac OS X.

Read the full complaint here.

Isn’t this just a case of Psystar breaching Apple’s EULA (End User Licensed Agreement)?

No. On the face of it this suit might seem a little petty given that each copy of Mac OS X that Psystar was selling was legitimately purchased, but Apple claims that Psystar’s Open Computer and OpenServ systems run a “modified unauthorized version of the Leopard operating system.” Psystar has also been pushing modified versions of Apple’s security updates (modified so that they’ll work on Psystar’s machines) via its website.

So this is just an issue of intellectual property infringement?

No. In the suit filed, Apple has also been quite scathing about the quality of the systems that Psystar is selling:

Online commentators have reported that Psystar’s computer is “missing stuff like iLife, Bluetooth. an IR receiver, DVD burning and the ability to update your computer,” is “LOUD, Crazy Loud,” it “breaks the OS’ automatic updates,” and that “video was DOA right out of the box. No signal going to monitor Boot up is moot point as there is nothing to see.” Of Psystar itself reviewers have written “they have no quality control,” “lousy tech support,” and “All I want to do is return the computer and get a refund.” Likewise, it has been reported that Psystar has repeatedly changed location, this its office could not be found and that its first on-line payment processor terminated Psystar’s account.

So if Psystar stop selling the Open Computer and OpenServ, it’s in the clear?

No, Apple seems to want to take things a lot further than that. For starters, Apple claims that “Psystar’s actions have been committed with intent to damage Apple and to confuse and deceive the public” and that “as a direct and proximate result of Psystar’s infringing conduct, Apple has suffered and will continue to suffer lost sales and profits in an amount not yet fully ascertained in an amount to be proven at trial.”

Not only does Apple want Psystar to stop selling Mac clones, it also wants Psystar to recall ALL the Mac-clone systems sold since April.  

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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts
Goodness gracious ! Why is everyone riding on their "high horse" is beyond me.
Let the courts decide if yes or no Apple has a bona-fide case.
Regardless, we all know that it is all about money -... (Read the rest)
Posted by: patbot Posted on: 04/06/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
If it goes to trial...  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
I agree and believe Apple is playing a very dangerous game.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
Who else has a dog in the hunt?  Resuna | 07/16/08
You're wrong about the FSF  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
I wonder if it would end OEM editions  voska1 | 07/16/08
Not really  daengbo | 07/19/08
Not really  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
Actually yes ...  dkawalec | 07/16/08
First sale doctrine  wolf_z | 07/17/08
NO, they can NOT do with it what they like.  nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
They aren't distributing  wolf_z | 07/17/08
Not artificially...  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
No other vendor???  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Did I miss the announcement?  NonZealot | 07/16/08
My Dear N-Z. I was hoping you'd show up.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
artificial and onerous  buddhistMonkey | 07/17/08
Really?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/16/08
Do you really think so?  daengbo | 07/19/08
Milton Bradley sues Not Asked Can't Tell!!  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
You need to . . .  JLHenry | 07/16/08
It's all about the EULA...  wineaux | 07/16/08
It's NOT about the EULA  John Sawyer | 07/16/08
To which smoke screen are you referring to?  wineaux | 07/16/08
I disagree  voska1 | 07/16/08
Actually, it's NOT about the EULA...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Which code was modified?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Which code was modified?  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Mac OSX's Darwin  daengbo | 07/19/08
A very good argument, daengbo...  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
If I'm not mistaken  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
No, Apple's code ..  msalzberg | 07/16/08
clearly?  doh123 | 07/16/08
They pay Apple for a license,...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
But then, No Ax, you've always been anti-Apple.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
clearly apple waited to increase the impact  marks055@... | 07/16/08
You hope Psystar wins?  eMJayy | 07/17/08
But then, Apple just sold 25% of all new PCs in the US...  vulpine@... | 07/17/08
No, Apple's sales only account for 8%  eMJayy | 07/17/08
In part, I have to agree.  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
I don't believe this!  djchandler | 07/17/08
FreeBSD is not the same as GPL  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
expensive  oncall | 07/16/08
Ahhh ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Chance estimate  johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
The company would suffer if ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
It's all about the mark-up  eMJayy | 07/17/08
It's all about the mark-up -- NOT!  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Wild card  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
crapware removal and copyrights  Pyrrho of Elis | 07/16/08
Pretty Much  LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
Not really  GoPower | 07/16/08
Um...  laura.b | 07/16/08
While it may no longer be the case..  msalzberg | 07/16/08
Oh, I know  laura.b | 07/16/08
Walk into Best Buy, Circuit City, any retailer for that matter  GoPower | 07/17/08
No, you're wrong  laura.b | 07/18/08
OEM license vs. Apple license  Yaalanhoo | 07/18/08
It's not how much you spend...  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
A valid Mac Serial...  arminw | 07/16/08
No you've violated MS copyright  GoPower | 07/16/08
No it probably wouldn't even work  dkawalec | 07/16/08
the cd key is disable on HP tried this for two weeks  Randalllind | 07/16/08
So this could be problem for me  voska1 | 07/16/08
Might not need the key  Randalllind | 07/16/08
Oh, But the Resale...  Sean_A | 07/16/08
It was a HP machine (what don't you understand?)  Randalllind | 07/16/08
Copyright and crapware removal not related  John Sawyer | 07/16/08
Yup...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Depends who gets involved...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
no, they did not...  doh123 | 07/16/08
well...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Would you believe....  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Depends on what they modified  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
What they did is more akin to...  Dr. John | 07/17/08
I think you have something backwards, here...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
I guess we'll find out  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
My suspicion is...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Movies specifically fall under public performance  wolf_z | 07/17/08
There is more than copyright at stake here...  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  chuck@... | 07/16/08
How do we know  Pliny the Elder | 07/16/08
Is omission the same as modification?  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
elimination in part = modification  wingedpower | 07/16/08
Reminds me of the days of DLL hell  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
since when...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Doesn't  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
Neither  daengbo | 07/19/08
Accepted-- though that's a big IF.  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Agreed  daengbo | 07/19/08
Wait-  dband@... | 07/16/08
But what if they did modify only the Darwin portions?  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
You're an idiot  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
You're an idiot if you use an Apple  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Apple don't use PowerPC  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
Apple don't use PowerPC DUHHH  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Stop right there!  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Apple don't use PowerPC  patbot | 04/06/09
go Apple  exxtraz | 07/16/08
pfft  ZenMasta | 07/16/08
Actually, the Mac mini's price is pretty aggressive...  olePigeon | 07/16/08
Actually...  Thought1 | 07/16/08
Not the issue  dband@... | 07/16/08
Bad Analogy  LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
Worse analogy...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
The analogy fails...  fairportfan | 07/17/08
your off...  doh123 | 07/16/08
A case of buyer beware?  wingedpower | 07/16/08
I dont agree...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Your right to disagree...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
"Psystar is great for helping Apple ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Yes, you would rather  tikigawd | 07/16/08
Now if Psystar violated some sort of OSX License then that's another story.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Did I miss the trial and guilty verdict?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Apple ALLEGES that Pystar violated ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Sorry Vulpine  wolf_z | 07/17/08
Intellectual Rights...  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Permission  daengbo | 07/19/08
@daengbo...  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
EULAs' validity had never been tested in court  tikigawd | 07/17/08
At the very least...  msalzberg | 07/17/08
Tiki, you pose a fairly realistic theory, with one exception  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
That has yet to be determined  tikigawd | 07/17/08
What's with the Apple Store return complaints?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Apparently  tikigawd | 07/17/08
go Apple BULL SH*T  pdemondo | 07/17/08
go Apple to the trash heap where you beong  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Missing application  johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
Hehehe  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Telix | 07/16/08
Imagine if Apple was held to the same standards of quality?  waecaidr@... | 07/16/08
Faster, Cheaper, more reliable... pick two.  wingedpower | 07/16/08
The crapware that Quicktime...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
So, now I know who to blame  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
Nope....  vulpine@... | 07/21/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Thought1 | 07/16/08
Apple's damages  Rick_R | 07/16/08
Cheap competition isn't illegal  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
A more relevant example would be....  wingedpower | 07/16/08
You make a good case for voiding the warranty  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
Yup,  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  themacmaster | 07/16/08
Dilution of Trademark, Negative Impact on Company Image, etc...  wingedpower | 07/16/08
so?  doh123 | 07/16/08
Doh, it's not the EULA.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Sean_A | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  Archkittens | 07/16/08
a little different...  doh123 | 07/16/08
"Making it run.."  msalzberg | 07/16/08
You, Doh, pointed out the problem...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
What is that old saying now....:P  James Quinn | 07/16/08
"Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones..."  Userama | 07/16/08
RE: crapware removal and copyrights  linuxoid | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Dave Bialac | 07/16/08
I agree, more consumer choices = better value for all  acad2kman | 07/16/08
Then don't expect support  Kaiwai | 07/16/08
Wisdom, pure wisdom  tikigawd | 07/17/08
But if your sister's Dell had problems..  msalzberg | 07/17/08
And your point is?  tikigawd | 07/17/08
You changed the subject.  msalzberg | 07/17/08
@msalzberg  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If I was Apple  Kaiwai | 07/16/08
sorry, that's not Apple's style...  patibulo | 07/17/08
Apple the villain?  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Apple is the original villian  yochaigal | 07/17/08
Taken vs. Legally acquired  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Sharing  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Of Course  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
@aj: I would call that selling  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Symantecs  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
@aj: Semantics, perhaps  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Angelic Company?  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Psystar PAID for every copy of the OS  tikigawd | 07/17/08
2 Choices  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
Since when does any company  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If you purchase goods ...  msalzberg | 07/17/08
Hot hot heat  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Apple is claiming that..  msalzberg | 07/17/08
I could demand that you give me a million bucks  tikigawd | 07/17/08
You are an idiot  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
ARGH!! The "I" word!!!  tikigawd | 07/17/08
re: ARGH  Badgered | 07/17/08
Psystar website back online  eMJayy | 07/17/08
demise?  nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
Not the Same as IBM Clones  amywohl | 07/17/08
Not the Same as IBM Clones much worse  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Licensing  tikigawd | 07/17/08
re: Licensing  Badgered | 07/17/08
OK  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If IBM had been this EVIL, there would be no PCs  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Apple are friggin' retarded  guiri | 07/17/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  kokuryu | 07/17/08
Apple suit dead because of Boot Camp  djchandler | 07/17/08
And what if...  djchandler | 07/17/08
I did not know Apple could be as F*&^ as MS!  XweAponX | 07/18/08
Do you really know what you said?  vulpine@... | 07/20/08
Dream on if you think Psystar can get the computers back..  3dguru | 07/19/08
Dreaming on....  vulpine@... | 07/20/08
BAD MOVE APPLE  jchadward@... | 07/22/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  patbot | 04/06/09

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