If it goes to trial...
John L. Ries | 07/16/08
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I agree and believe Apple is playing a very dangerous game.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
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Who else has a dog in the hunt?
Resuna | 07/16/08
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You're wrong about the FSF
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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I wonder if it would end OEM editions
voska1 | 07/16/08
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Not really
daengbo | 07/19/08
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Not really
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
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Actually yes ...
dkawalec | 07/16/08
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First sale doctrine
wolf_z | 07/17/08
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NO, they can NOT do with it what they like.
nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
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They aren't distributing
wolf_z | 07/17/08
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Not artificially...
Still Lynn | 07/16/08
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No other vendor???
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Did I miss the announcement?
NonZealot | 07/16/08
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My Dear N-Z. I was hoping you'd show up.
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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artificial and onerous
buddhistMonkey | 07/17/08
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Really?
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/16/08
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Do you really think so?
daengbo | 07/19/08
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Milton Bradley sues Not Asked Can't Tell!!
Still Lynn | 07/16/08
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You need to . . .
JLHenry | 07/16/08
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It's all about the EULA...
wineaux | 07/16/08
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It's NOT about the EULA
John Sawyer | 07/16/08
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To which smoke screen are you referring to?
wineaux | 07/16/08
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I disagree
voska1 | 07/16/08
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Actually, it's NOT about the EULA...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Which code was modified?
wineaux | 07/16/08
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Which code was modified?
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Mac OSX's Darwin
daengbo | 07/19/08
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A very good argument, daengbo...
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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If I'm not mistaken
alaniane@... | 07/20/08
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No, Apple's code ..
msalzberg | 07/16/08
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clearly?
doh123 | 07/16/08
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They pay Apple for a license,...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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But then, No Ax, you've always been anti-Apple.
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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clearly apple waited to increase the impact
marks055@... | 07/16/08
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You hope Psystar wins?
eMJayy | 07/17/08
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But then, Apple just sold 25% of all new PCs in the US...
vulpine@... | 07/17/08
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No, Apple's sales only account for 8%
eMJayy | 07/17/08
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In part, I have to agree.
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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I don't believe this!
djchandler | 07/17/08
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FreeBSD is not the same as GPL
alaniane@... | 07/20/08
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expensive
oncall | 07/16/08
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Ahhh ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 07/16/08
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Chance estimate
johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
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The company would suffer if ...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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It's all about the mark-up
eMJayy | 07/17/08
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It's all about the mark-up -- NOT!
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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Wild card
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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crapware removal and copyrights
Pyrrho of Elis | 07/16/08
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Pretty Much
LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
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Not really
GoPower | 07/16/08
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Um...
laura.b | 07/16/08
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While it may no longer be the case..
msalzberg | 07/16/08
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Oh, I know
laura.b | 07/16/08
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Walk into Best Buy, Circuit City, any retailer for that matter
GoPower | 07/17/08
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No, you're wrong
laura.b | 07/18/08
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OEM license vs. Apple license
Yaalanhoo | 07/18/08
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It's not how much you spend...
Still Lynn | 07/16/08
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A valid Mac Serial...
arminw | 07/16/08
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No you've violated MS copyright
GoPower | 07/16/08
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No it probably wouldn't even work
dkawalec | 07/16/08
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the cd key is disable on HP tried this for two weeks
Randalllind | 07/16/08
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So this could be problem for me
voska1 | 07/16/08
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Might not need the key
Randalllind | 07/16/08
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Oh, But the Resale...
Sean_A | 07/16/08
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It was a HP machine (what don't you understand?)
Randalllind | 07/16/08
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Copyright and crapware removal not related
John Sawyer | 07/16/08
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Yup...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Depends who gets involved...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
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no, they did not...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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well...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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Would you believe....
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Depends on what they modified
John L. Ries | 07/16/08
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What they did is more akin to...
Dr. John | 07/17/08
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I think you have something backwards, here...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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I guess we'll find out
John L. Ries | 07/16/08
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My suspicion is...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Movies specifically fall under public performance
wolf_z | 07/17/08
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There is more than copyright at stake here...
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts
chuck@... | 07/16/08
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How do we know
Pliny the Elder | 07/16/08
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Is omission the same as modification?
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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elimination in part = modification
wingedpower | 07/16/08
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Reminds me of the days of DLL hell
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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since when...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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Doesn't
John L. Ries | 07/16/08
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Neither
daengbo | 07/19/08
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Accepted-- though that's a big IF.
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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Agreed
daengbo | 07/19/08
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Wait-
dband@... | 07/16/08
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But what if they did modify only the Darwin portions?
John L. Ries | 07/16/08
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You're an idiot
Kaiwai | 07/17/08
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You're an idiot if you use an Apple
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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Apple don't use PowerPC
Kaiwai | 07/17/08
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Apple don't use PowerPC DUHHH
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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Stop right there!
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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Apple don't use PowerPC
patbot | 04/06/09
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go Apple
exxtraz | 07/16/08
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pfft
ZenMasta | 07/16/08
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Actually, the Mac mini's price is pretty aggressive...
olePigeon | 07/16/08
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Actually...
Thought1 | 07/16/08
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Not the issue
dband@... | 07/16/08
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Bad Analogy
LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
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Worse analogy...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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The analogy fails...
fairportfan | 07/17/08
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your off...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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A case of buyer beware?
wingedpower | 07/16/08
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I dont agree...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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Your right to disagree...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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"Psystar is great for helping Apple ...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Yes, you would rather
tikigawd | 07/16/08
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Now if Psystar violated some sort of OSX License then that's another story.
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Did I miss the trial and guilty verdict?
wineaux | 07/16/08
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Apple ALLEGES that Pystar violated ...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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Sorry Vulpine
wolf_z | 07/17/08
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Intellectual Rights...
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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Permission
daengbo | 07/19/08
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@daengbo...
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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EULAs' validity had never been tested in court
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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At the very least...
msalzberg | 07/17/08
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Tiki, you pose a fairly realistic theory, with one exception
vulpine@... | 07/19/08
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That has yet to be determined
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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What's with the Apple Store return complaints?
wineaux | 07/16/08
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Apparently
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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go Apple BULL SH*T
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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go Apple to the trash heap where you beong
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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Missing application
johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
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Hehehe
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 07/16/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot
Telix | 07/16/08
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Imagine if Apple was held to the same standards of quality?
waecaidr@... | 07/16/08
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Faster, Cheaper, more reliable... pick two.
wingedpower | 07/16/08
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The crapware that Quicktime...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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So, now I know who to blame
alaniane@... | 07/20/08
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Nope....
vulpine@... | 07/21/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot
Thought1 | 07/16/08
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Apple's damages
Rick_R | 07/16/08
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Cheap competition isn't illegal
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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A more relevant example would be....
wingedpower | 07/16/08
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You make a good case for voiding the warranty
Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
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Yup,
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot
themacmaster | 07/16/08
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Dilution of Trademark, Negative Impact on Company Image, etc...
wingedpower | 07/16/08
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so?
doh123 | 07/16/08
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Doh, it's not the EULA.
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot
Sean_A | 07/16/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts
Archkittens | 07/16/08
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a little different...
doh123 | 07/16/08
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"Making it run.."
msalzberg | 07/16/08
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You, Doh, pointed out the problem...
vulpine@... | 07/16/08
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What is that old saying now....:P
James Quinn | 07/16/08
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"Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones..."
Userama | 07/16/08
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RE: crapware removal and copyrights
linuxoid | 07/16/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot
Dave Bialac | 07/16/08
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I agree, more consumer choices = better value for all
acad2kman | 07/16/08
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Then don't expect support
Kaiwai | 07/16/08
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Wisdom, pure wisdom
tikigawd | 07/17/08
|
   
But if your sister's Dell had problems..
msalzberg | 07/17/08
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And your point is?
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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You changed the subject.
msalzberg | 07/17/08
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@msalzberg
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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If I was Apple
Kaiwai | 07/16/08
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sorry, that's not Apple's style...
patibulo | 07/17/08
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Apple the villain?
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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Apple is the original villian
yochaigal | 07/17/08
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Taken vs. Legally acquired
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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Sharing
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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Of Course
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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@aj: I would call that selling
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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Symantecs
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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@aj: Semantics, perhaps
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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Angelic Company?
aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
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Psystar PAID for every copy of the OS
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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2 Choices
Kaiwai | 07/17/08
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Since when does any company
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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If you purchase goods ...
msalzberg | 07/17/08
|
  
Hot hot heat
tikigawd | 07/17/08
|
   
Apple is claiming that..
msalzberg | 07/17/08
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I could demand that you give me a million bucks
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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You are an idiot
Kaiwai | 07/17/08
|
  
ARGH!! The "I" word!!!
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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re: ARGH
Badgered | 07/17/08
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Psystar website back online
eMJayy | 07/17/08
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demise?
nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
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Not the Same as IBM Clones
amywohl | 07/17/08
|

Not the Same as IBM Clones much worse
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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Licensing
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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re: Licensing
Badgered | 07/17/08
|
  
OK
tikigawd | 07/17/08
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If IBM had been this EVIL, there would be no PCs
pdemondo | 07/17/08
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Apple are friggin' retarded
guiri | 07/17/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts
kokuryu | 07/17/08
|
Apple suit dead because of Boot Camp
djchandler | 07/17/08
|

And what if...
djchandler | 07/17/08
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I did not know Apple could be as F*&^ as MS!
XweAponX | 07/18/08
|

Do you really know what you said?
vulpine@... | 07/20/08
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Dream on if you think Psystar can get the computers back..
3dguru | 07/19/08
|

Dreaming on....
vulpine@... | 07/20/08
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BAD MOVE APPLE
jchadward@... | 07/22/08
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RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts
patbot | 04/06/09
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