On CBS MoneyWatch: Best- and worst-paid college degrees
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

August 6th, 2008

Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 8:01 am

Categories: Apple, Hardware, Industry, Mac, Marketing

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Apple Inc., Desktops, Microsoft Windows, Hardware, Operating Systems, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

According to Joe Wilcox, a Mac notebook will cost you about twice as much as a similar offering running Windows. So what?

Today I contacted Stephen Baker, NPD’s vice president of industry analysis, about computer average selling prices at retail. That HP notebook is right on mark: ASP for retail Windows notebooks is $700. Mac laptops: $1,515. Yeah, right, they’re more than twice as much. But there’s more: The ASP for Mac desktops is more than $1,000 greater than for Windows PCs, and Mac desktop ASPs were higher in June than they were two years ago.

Here’s the NPD data to back up the claim:

Are Macs too expensive?

View Results

Loading ... Loading ...
 

And there’s no no doubt that you can get, dollar for dollar, more hardware on a Windows PC than on a Mac. Here are two systems that Wilcox compared:

  • iMac: $1,199; 2.4GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 20-inch widescreen display (integrated), 1GB DDR memory, 128MB ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT graphics, 250GB hard drive, 8x double-layer DVD burner, Bluetooth 2.1, 802.11 g Wi-Fi, Webcam and Mac OS X 10.5.
  • Inspiron 518: $739 (after $150 instant savings); 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Quad processor, 19-inch widescreen monitor, 3GB DDR memory, Intel GMA X3100 graphics, 500GB hard drive, 8x DVD burner and Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 1.

Wilcox then offers  stark conclusion:

If Apple is going to continue its market share gains, or simply maintain that 8.5 percent U.S. share, prices must go down and configurations bulk up. The math is simply undeniable.

Should Apple make more of an effort to capture the budget market?

View Results

Loading ... Loading ...
  

Now, I agree with him about the price difference between Mac systems and Windows systems, but when it comes to this conclusion I’m afraid that I have to disagree. Why? Well, here are some reasons why:

  • Macs have never been cheap compared to Windows PCs, as the NPD data that Wilcox offers proves. Yet, this hasn’t been a barrier to increasing Mac market share. People are obviously willing to pay extra to own a Mac (there are plenty of parallels in other markets - Ford vs. BMW, Timex vs. Omega …).
  • Apple is unlikely to steer the business in the direction of high volume, razor-thin margins like the Dell and HP. Even the notice by Apple to investors that margins would drop to 30% in FY 2009 doesn’t indicate a huge change of direction for the company.
  • Another point worth making here is that while the average price for a Windows desktop might be $550 and for a notebook $700, there are plenty of machines available that cost a LOT more than this.
  • Comparing an iMac to an Inspiron isn’t exactly fair since the Apple system is an all-in-one. A better comparison can be made between the iMac and Dell’s XPS One which start at $1,299.
  • The tax that users are willing to pay to have the Mac OS makes the Windows tax seem insignificant by comparison. But then again, Apple is providing an alternative to what many consider the default (at the moment Linux is not on the radar of most consumers). Alternatives normally cost extra.

Will Apple be hit by the economic downturn?

View Results

Loading ... Loading ...
  

Maybe the likes of Dell and HP need to put their thinking caps on and figure out why, despite offering cheaper alternatives, people are willing to pay more for a Mac.

Thoughts?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

Want to get in touch? Got a tip? Feel free to drop me a note! I ALWAYS respect anonymity. I'm also on Twitter (@the_pc_doc)

Right to Reply: Should any industry representatives wish to comment on any posts on Hardware 2.0, I will be happy to publish their reply verbatim on this blog.

Subscribe to Hardware 2.0 via Email alerts or RSS.

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 331 Talkback(s)
RE: upgrade the OS?
OSX upgrades are cheep, but they come almost every year.

Paid and unpaid major releases since OS X was released:

10.0 - Mar 2001
10.1 - free upgrade - Sept 2001
10.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: JakAttak Posted on: 08/12/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
I'm telling you what  JMGM | 08/06/08
And when it stops running it's MUCH slower than  James Quinn | 08/06/08
A PC twice as fast as a Mac?  914four | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  Loverock Davidson | 08/06/08
On average  Stuka | 08/06/08
Where are the comparative figures?  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Not off hand  Stuka | 08/06/08
Hmm...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Seems reasonable.  ye | 08/06/08
Yeah  Stuka | 08/06/08
No midrange tower  cornpie | 08/06/08
My anecdotal evidence  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
Your stats don't mean much  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
And how many people out there want to do this?  James Quinn | 08/08/08
You missed the whole point of my argument  alaniane@... | 08/08/08
How often do mac users upgrade the OS?  notsofast | 08/07/08
I think you are confused....  James Quinn | 08/08/08
RE: upgrade the OS?  JakAttak | 08/12/08
In addition...  JakAttak | 08/12/08
Yep  frgough | 08/06/08
Hit by economic downturn? Oh yeah.  willyu | 08/06/08
Hasn't happened yet  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
well, my logic is that  willyu | 08/06/08
But that's not exactly true  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/07/08
Got to agree with Kid...'s comment.  awasson@... | 08/07/08
There's a difference tho...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/08/08
well there's one thing in common  zupobaloop | 08/08/08
Macs have to be expensive  LBiege | 08/06/08
you forgot to mention...  willyu | 08/06/08
This thread is getting boring...  snberk341 | 08/06/08
Macs have their problems  dave@... | 08/07/08
What does that have to do with anything?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/07/08
I think what he was trying to say...  USTechHead | 08/07/08
Not a good example but...  914four | 08/07/08
Assumes much on your part...  James Quinn | 08/06/08
lower rated parts?  willyu | 08/06/08
Wrong......  James Quinn | 08/06/08
from the field  willyu | 08/06/08
Not my experience....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Hmm...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
The gear maybe but the whole?  James Quinn | 08/07/08
PCs die soon lol  willpd13 | 08/07/08
DUDE!  James Quinn | 08/07/08
The only time Mac uses Laptop parts ....  ShadeTree | 08/06/08
No.....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Ask nVidia  rtk | 08/06/08
Great now I need to ask another? How nice for you.  James Quinn | 08/06/08
I do work for a PC OEM and ....  ShadeTree | 08/07/08
you couldn't be more wrong  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
Re: Wrong  reziol | 08/07/08
Other non hardware considerations apply  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
All branches of PC World.  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
irrelevant  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
Nope.  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
PC systems you buy? Name brand please....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Well...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
MESH who the heck is MESH!?!  James Quinn | 08/06/08
MESH Computer.  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
See my response just below....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Quality argument went out with switch to Intel  cornpie | 08/06/08
Less....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
And many computer systems...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
The Dell Inspereo? (Spelling?)  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@Jim  laura.b | 08/07/08
Laura....well  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@Jim  laura.b | 08/07/08
Also the insides of the MacPros are quite a bit different  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/07/08
I have a Movado and a TimeTech  ye | 08/06/08
I've worked with both for decades now....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
It is not laziness!  Jeremy W | 08/06/08
It's not laziness, it's sheer stupidity...  reziol | 08/07/08
I've worked with both for decades too.  ye | 08/07/08
See Jeremy W's response above  James Quinn | 08/07/08
I've already read it.  ye | 08/07/08
Well what do you do?  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: What do you mean what do I do?  ye | 08/07/08
Well I was just wondering if that would explain  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: Highly unlikely.  ye | 08/07/08
All I can tell you is what we do here and what  James Quinn | 08/07/08
It is all about productivity.  Bruizer | 08/06/08
Incorrect.  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Apple makes more per unit than Dell or HP  GoPower | 08/06/08
It's not just the hardware!!!  Userama | 08/06/08
Yes and no...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
best OS in the land?  willyu | 08/06/08
I get something from a PC, I can never get from a Mac  alaniane@... | 08/08/08
because you can build your own  zupobaloop | 08/08/08
Prystar made it obvious Macs are over priced  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/08
Not even close.....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
What an absurd argument  markbn | 08/06/08
James Quinn has a good argument  Axsimulate | 08/06/08
No confusion here  markbn | 08/06/08
See my responses to WIlyu both above and below  James Quinn | 08/06/08
I saw them and ...  markbn | 08/06/08
Nothing in manufacturing is absolute.  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Why don't you stop making bogus arguments?  markbn | 08/06/08
Yeah right....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Learn to read  markbn | 08/07/08
You do go on so.......  James Quinn | 08/07/08
RE: You do go on so.......  markbn | 08/07/08
Tune in next week same bat channel same bat time  James Quinn | 08/07/08
RE; Tune in next week same bat channel same bat time  markbn | 08/07/08
i assume by standard parts you have "inside"  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Re: i assume by standard parts you have "inside"  markbn | 08/07/08
Just because a part is defective does not mean  James Quinn | 08/07/08
One more time  markbn | 08/08/08
Good Luck on Getting Tech Support  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
Marcos el confundido  markbn | 08/06/08
Please assure us with facts and not "because I say so"  ye | 08/06/08
Superior rated parts that do the same job as lower  James Quinn | 08/06/08
yeah  markbn | 08/06/08
The Apple III really that is your argument here!?!  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Most PCs I've used run whispher quiet too.  ye | 08/07/08
Are you kidding....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: No, I'm not kidding you.  ye | 08/07/08
I'll give you the G5...:P  James Quinn | 08/07/08
The burden is on you to prove PCs are more noisy.  ye | 08/07/08
I gave you a valid counterexample  markbn | 08/07/08
Ye and the other guy....:P  James Quinn | 08/07/08
In my experience  Axsimulate | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: Yes Jim. I'm well aware that you're saying it.  ye | 08/07/08
HAHAHAHA "pagan jim"  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
RE: Ye and the other guy....:P  markbn | 08/07/08
Zupaloopa? and the other guy....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
I was not explicit enough  markbn | 08/07/08
And again i applaud Jobs and Apple for learning  James Quinn | 08/07/08
I repeat: Please assure us with facts and not "because I say so" (nt)  ye | 08/07/08
"premium" parts?  longbongsilver | 08/07/08
moreover, it's irrelevant  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
Monopoly  Axsimulate | 08/06/08
You better read Judge Jackson's ruling.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/08
Give me a url  Axsimulate | 08/06/08
Here you go  laura.b | 08/07/08
RE: Here you go  Axsimulate | 08/07/08
Although I agree with your conclusions  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
But  laura.b | 08/07/08
@laura.b  Axsimulate | 08/08/08
@alaniane  Axsimulate | 08/08/08
I'm not really sure how many times this needs said  laura.b | 08/11/08
Apple, with 8% market share a monopoly?  Ken_z | 08/06/08
laughing  rparker009 | 08/06/08
RE: laughing  Axsimulate | 08/07/08
I always love how  frgough | 08/06/08
And you can get Ultimate...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
To sum up  frgough | 08/06/08
Incorrect....  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
That seems to be the case (n/t)  markbn | 08/06/08
oops  markbn | 08/06/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  Conservationist | 08/06/08
Sure they do  Userama | 08/06/08
not really...  willyu | 08/06/08
Exactly  Conservationist | 08/06/08
yes really...  ~Obelix~ | 08/06/08
*nix? *nix???  willyu | 08/07/08
XWindows runs fine on Unix/Linux  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
Have you tried an Eee PC?  914four | 08/07/08
The last I heard  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
Other reasons to buy Macs  Ken_z | 08/06/08
Macs are well-priced and people buy them up!  jameskatt | 08/06/08
RE: Not even close.....James Quinn  willyu | 08/06/08
Sigh...  James Quinn | 08/06/08
The other OEMs...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Ah but you miss the point....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
I'm not pricing it against....  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Did the high end desktop share the form factor of  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Nope...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Well.....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Higher cost does not equate to better.  ye | 08/07/08
However in some cases it does...  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: In some cases it does. It may even apply...  ye | 08/07/08
Hard ro produce said.....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: Sworn testimonials are worthless.  ye | 08/07/08
Applescript.....both on OSX and OS9  James Quinn | 08/07/08
@James Quinn: What you gave is just more of the same.  ye | 08/07/08
Oh come on Ye....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Not all name brands are made in China  914four | 08/07/08
This "story" is all nonsense  j.m.galvin | 08/06/08
agreed  willyu | 08/06/08
It's a "troll" story, but  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
absolutely...  patibulo | 08/06/08
Yes, but...  Jeremy W | 08/06/08
The PC sector....  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Could go higher in the U.S.  j.m.galvin | 08/07/08
I would think so  laura.b | 08/07/08
re: Macs are well-priced and people...  willyu | 08/06/08
and you sound jealous  Marcos El Malo | 08/06/08
the value of money  willyu | 08/06/08
You sound bitter....  James Quinn | 08/06/08
In defense  laura.b | 08/07/08
Agreed but it goes both ways....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Oh, agreed  laura.b | 08/07/08
Not EVERY Yugo died a horrible death  James Quinn | 08/06/08
true but if you look at this way too.  willyu | 08/06/08
So again we are not comparing Apples to Apples eh?  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Lowering the price might .....  ShadeTree | 08/06/08
Macs are over priced and overrated  marks055@... | 08/06/08
You have to pay your dues.  David Blomstrom | 08/06/08
Unlike Steve Jobs Bill Gates has given away  marks055@... | 08/06/08
LOL  David Blomstrom | 08/06/08
Sure...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
the LA times?! LOL  marks055@... | 08/06/08
RE: Did I save money buying and an IMac?  dicka@... | 08/06/08
Something to check out  Ken_z | 08/06/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  RIAAsucks | 08/06/08
You forgot a couple of Key points  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
What weekly maintenance do you do?  ye | 08/06/08
Maintenance  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
No need to run any of that.  ye | 08/06/08
No, I'm doing what I'm supposed to  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
That might be part of your job description. But it's not...  ye | 08/06/08
That might be part of your job description. But it's not...  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
You are working harder and not smarter.  ye | 08/07/08
FYI  zkiwi | 08/06/08
I would agree with that assessment.  914four | 08/08/08
I know you're being lame  zkiwi | 08/06/08
Not seeing your point....  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Personally...  zkiwi | 08/07/08
Suggestion for Maintenance  medezark@... | 08/07/08
We're already set up like that  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
And all this advice is...  zkiwi | 08/07/08
Not sure.  ye | 08/07/08
Maintenance, sure. Weekly?  laura.b | 08/07/08
60 suystem vs one...  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Of course  laura.b | 08/08/08
We have 200 Windows based PCs  alaniane@... | 08/08/08
I don't do any maintenace for my Windows  LBiege | 08/06/08
And....  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
Nice...  RocketEater | 08/07/08
So...  zkiwi | 08/07/08
My time is valuable  greg@... | 08/06/08
How about some numbers to support your assertions?  ye | 08/06/08
Erm...  zkiwi | 08/06/08
Which is exactly why I ask the question.  ye | 08/07/08
No, it's not why you ask  zkiwi | 08/07/08
LOL! So now you know my intent better than I?  ye | 08/07/08
arrogant?  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
Takes an arrogant blank to know one...:P  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Would that matter?  James Quinn | 08/06/08
Another story? How about some facts?  ye | 08/07/08
Why does it matter to you??  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
It matters because you're spreading FUD.  ye | 08/07/08
Cause your full of crap!  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
@polpot: I've heard of all of them.  ye | 08/07/08
You can't, because you are not telling the truth  zkiwi | 08/07/08
@zkiwi: Yeah, that's got to be it.  ye | 08/07/08
XP on Mac  914four | 08/08/08
So...  Goudy | 08/06/08
He said he owns the business  j.m.galvin | 08/06/08
Could be...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Response to questions  greg@... | 08/06/08
Fair enough...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
Another vague answer.  ye | 08/07/08
Costs  Harry Bardal | 08/07/08
I keep hearing about lower TCO. But never do I see...  ye | 08/07/08
Are you not answering an "Because I said so" with  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Here's a Little Something  Harry Bardal | 08/08/08
TCO versus ROI make this VERY difficult ...  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
Eh?  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Lucky You  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
Been there.....Done that.  James Quinn | 08/06/08
OK...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
NO  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
Erm, at what cost?  Big_Giff | 08/07/08
Good question ...  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
Not in a mixed-shop environment ...  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
...and you were doing so well...  Big Scoddie | 08/06/08
Well I think Apples current markup is better than 30  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Can't compare apples to oranges (or PCs)  ~Obelix~ | 08/06/08
Give me any Mac's spec  LBiege | 08/06/08
Seriously. How many people actually care about this?  ye | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  greg@... | 08/06/08
Why does it matter??  Sphilpot | 08/06/08
Doesn't matter  catalinst@... | 08/07/08
Okay you got me...  Sphilpot | 08/07/08
Another factor for international market  AndyCee | 08/06/08
Well, you get what you pay for...  esdrasf@... | 08/06/08
So What, Who Cares?  Kromaethius | 08/06/08
Prices in Romania (and most of Europe, probably)  alex_b | 08/07/08
Specs vs parts  scott1329 | 08/07/08
A small number of people wih different values  SteveMak | 08/07/08
They buy it because they're gullible  Crash2100 | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  askmahesh@... | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  Cubbie | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... NO THE'RE NOT!!!  cruzdude | 08/07/08
Nonsense.  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
At least try to make it believable.  ye | 08/07/08
People buy Macs...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  trenchsol | 08/07/08
A Real Comparison:  bcapecci | 08/07/08
You've completely missed the most important aspects...  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/07/08
I'm curious  dchase@... | 08/07/08
You've got the idea ...  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
I'd agree  dchase@... | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
how MUCH of a premium is still 'cool'?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 08/07/08
Good points ...  mwagner@... | 08/07/08
Only if.....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
not just style but . .  eggmanbubbagee@... | 08/07/08
Again pricing with what?  James Quinn | 08/07/08
Very thorough and very wrong  j.m.galvin | 08/07/08
So what? More like: so you didn't expect that?  akeeyata@... | 08/07/08
The Mac's got innovation, what's the PC got?  larry@... | 08/07/08
You have to be trolling.  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
...no, just brainwashed.  Big Scoddie | 08/07/08
I don't know which is sadder?  James Quinn | 08/07/08
PC PRESS say Macs are SUPERIOR  Davewrite | 08/07/08
*Sigh*  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
So all these PC and Neutral magazines are Apple Fanboys?  Davewrite | 08/07/08
Man Mr. Quinn is going to have a lot of  USTechHead | 08/07/08
I'm enjoying myself....:p  James Quinn | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  luis.pulido | 08/07/08
The Title of this Article is Wrong  lukbut_1 | 08/07/08
BMWs, Macs, etc  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
The iPhone isa great product no fantastic....:P  James Quinn | 08/07/08
consumers aren't wise  zupobaloop | 08/07/08
I can't "pully our head out of the sand."?  James Quinn | 08/07/08
read slower  zupobaloop | 08/08/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  MichaelWells | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
It would be unrealistic  j.m.galvin | 08/07/08
They could...  Big_Giff | 08/07/08
In small businesses they have a chance  alaniane@... | 08/07/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  ariesghost | 08/07/08
And what does it matter?  Big_Giff | 08/07/08
Compare Apples to Apples  john_e_fish | 08/07/08
Yes, Macs are a delight.  rodney_bunt@... | 08/07/08
Everyone i want to thank you all....  James Quinn | 08/07/08
You should compare similar configurations  ivan.neva@... | 08/08/08
RE: Yes, Macs are expensive ... so what?  larchoye | 08/08/08
Expensive in more ways than one...  Narg | 08/08/08

What do you think?

SponsoredWhite Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

Click Here
advertisement

Recent Entries

advertisement
Click Here

Archives

ZDNet Blogs

White Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

  • Smart Tech Expert advice on innovations in healthcare and the green technologies that make it happen. Find out more
  • Smart Business Discussion and advice on management issues that revolve around making your world smarter and more useful. More Smart Advice
  • Smart People The best and worst moves in the management and strategy trenches. Learn More