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April 10th, 2007

Copyright laws and piracy - Where do you stand?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 1:01 am

Categories: Copyright, DRM, Legal

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Over the months that this blog has been running we've had some really good discussions relating to copyright laws and piracy.  Hardware such as portable media players and disc burners are closely linked to copyright and piracy because these devices allow people to do things with content that the copyright holders might not be too happy with.  But is violating the terms of copyright theft, whether it be on a small or large scale, right or wrong?  Is it theft?  When does it become theft?  Where do you draw the line?

Discussions relating to copyright laws and piracy seem to break down into two groups:

  • Those who believe that piracy is a growing problem and that something needs to be done about it.  These people also feel that punishments for copyright infringement should be harsher.
  • Those who feel that there's nothing wrong with violating copyright.  There are sub-camps within this camp, for example, those who feel that infringing copyright is OK as long as a profit isn't made and those that believe that copyright violation is hyped by the media and that it's not a widespread problem.  Another widely held belief is that information should be freely available

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Looking at things from a different angle, copyright laws have to balance the needs of two groups of people:

  • Copyright holders who generate the content and require the protection of the law
  • Those who want to make use of copyrighted material

It might seem like an odd thing to say but I can see the argument from both sides.  If you're a copyright holder or someone who happily pays for the content that you use and do your best to remain on the right side of schemes such as DRM, then it's easy to see any kind of copyright infringement (even when trivial or non-existent) as theft and demand that it's treated as such.  I buy a LOT of DVDs and some music in the form of CDs and never feel like seeing if I can download it for free. 

However, if you're someone who makes a lot of use of copyrighted material but doesn't understand that everyone in the chain has a right to control how the material is used or distributed then it's likely that you feel that there is nothing wrong with violating copyright for personal use (ripping a CD for use on multiple devices, making a backup CD for the car, making a mix CD …).  I can buy the argument that this doesn't hurt anyone so what's the big deal - as long as it's for personal use.  There's being fair and being greedy, and too many content providers are using DRM as a way to be greedy and expect a user to pay multiple times for content

And at the extreme end of the spectrum you have those who see nothing wrong with making a profit from the work of others without consent.  This is a different matter.  In my mind this is just theft in a modern guise.  You're not stealing a physical thing, but you are stealing the other person's ability to control how their content is distributed and denying them a return on their investment.

Somewhere in the middle you have people who think that it's OK to have free and easy access to copyrighted works and download or make available to others everything they can.  It's this group of users that make the the whole copyright debate interesting because their view on copyright is that it's "all you can eat" is just fine.  Try having a rational debate with these people and you get some interesting arguments.  File-sharing doesn't harm anyone.  Content should be free.  The record/movie industry is evil.  File-sharing encourages people to buy more DVDs/CDs.  It's quite interesting to watch people justifying this position and presenting tortured logic to prove how they're not really stealing. 

For those of you that think that piracy and copyright infringement doesn't exist, I'm here to tell you as someone who generates intellectual property that it does happen.  For example, there are a number of blogs that reproduce everything that I post to this blog, the only difference is that the content that I've generated is surrounded by someone else's ads.  Other people want to profit from my effort and offer me nothing in return.  If people are duplicating my blog posts here then I'm pretty sure that other people will be doing the same with Spider-Man 3.  There's a lot of piracy out there.

The main tool that the recording and movie industry have used to combat piracy is DRM.  The idea here is that everyone is potentially a pirate and by making use of DRM it's a little harder for people to duplicate that movie or downloaded song.  "Don't turn a good kid bad."  But DRM is not an obstacle for anyone who's serious about copying a song or movie.  In fact, to me DRM is the ultimate signal from content providers that the law, for one reason or another, does not work.  It's not the pirates profiting from disregarding copyright laws who are punished, but instead it is the average user.  This is the part that seems wrong to me. 

What's your take on copyright laws and piracy?  What's right and what's wrong?  Where does DRM fit into the equation?  Has technology made it too easy to infringe copyright?  Do we expect content for nothing?  Has the digital age redefined theft?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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DRM incorrectly applied  oskarf | 04/10/07
It's not "theft"  tic swayback | 04/10/07
Agree.....but.....  linux for me | 04/10/07
Bad movies are new?  kidtree | 04/10/07
"even in my own household"?  Ole Man | 04/10/07
I didn't mean to imply bad movies are new....  linux for me | 04/11/07
But the result of Prohibition was repeal...  -Kestrel- | 04/10/07
Law Change  dkunzman@... | 04/10/07
Legitimacy  tic swayback | 04/10/07
Going Legit...  Wolfie2K3 | 04/10/07
There are problems with the law  voska | 04/11/07
Supreme Court didn't mind...  Anton Philidor | 04/10/07
In the western world only, by the way  phillfri | 04/10/07
Fundamental flaw  mdemuth | 04/10/07
Of course, it's theft!  JJ Brannon | 04/11/07
Right vs. Profit  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
The law isn't wrong...  -Kestrel- | 04/10/07
Disagree  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
Actually breaking the law is one way  voska | 04/11/07
Fair use does not mean - use it as much as YOU think fair  archangel999 | 04/10/07
Perhaps you can enlighten us?  Ole Man | 04/10/07
So, are you saying that only the buyer should listen?  I. Kidya Knott | 04/10/07
What you just described is covered by the AHRA  Edward Meyers | 04/10/07
Maybe you should read the law  voska | 04/11/07
One for each?  ppw_z | 04/11/07
DRM is not the same as copyright law  shraven | 04/11/07
I love the defenses for theft  NonZealot | 04/10/07
Theft  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
Beat Myself senseless...  Jim888 | 04/10/07
Missing the point  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
YOU are missing the point!  -Kestrel- | 04/10/07
There you go...  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
Corruption limits our options  macmcf | 04/10/07
The Music and Movie Industries are also breaking the law.  I. Kidya Knott | 04/10/07
Missing the point  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
Curious...  Jim888 | 04/10/07
Your point  jedi105@... | 04/10/07
A point,,,  Jim888 | 04/10/07
Re: A point  Tim Patterson | 04/10/07
No need to beat yourself senseless  Ole Man | 04/10/07
What??  archangel999 | 04/10/07
Re: I love the defenses for theft  none none | 04/10/07
You are so far out in left field  Ole Man | 04/10/07
This thief once loaned a book to a friend.  TerryNT | 04/10/07
That quotes funny  voska | 04/11/07
i love the defenses for theft  cogsbing@... | 04/12/07
Forever copyright  johndifo | 04/10/07
And this is another reason why ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
Wonder how that happened?  Ole Man | 04/10/07
We bought the legislation to say it is legal...  shraven | 04/11/07
Greed is forever also  plumley@... | 04/13/07
Buy it  Jim888 | 04/10/07
I like this line  rapson | 04/10/07
Since DAT  Edward Meyers | 04/11/07
to MacKrazy  SO.CAL Guy | 04/10/07
Personal choice  Jim888 | 04/10/07
Why just by kids  jedi105@... | 04/10/07
Barring the "lying thing"...  Jim888 | 04/10/07
All fine and good except  voska | 04/11/07
I do back up my copies of CDs and DVDs  legalista | 04/11/07
Thank you  Freebird54 | 04/10/07
And there's the key!  rapson | 04/10/07
That's cutting it pretty close  Ole Man | 04/17/07
What you are missing...  slopoke | 04/10/07
Rights?  dkunzman@... | 04/10/07
This is exactly what people did ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
No they didn't  Edward Meyers | 04/11/07
Yup I did that  voska | 04/11/07
Even farther out in left field than mwagner@  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Copyright Laws  hendos4 | 04/10/07
make money, lose money  plumley@... | 04/13/07
From the producer's perspective  davidr69 | 04/10/07
From the users perspective  dmhunter@... | 04/10/07
From the producer's perspective  davidr69 | 04/10/07
in other words  jedi105@... | 04/10/07
Re: in other words  davidr69 | 04/10/07
I'm certainly not a child  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Yes  CoolbeansG | 04/11/07
Talk about confused...  -Kestrel- | 04/10/07
Re: Talk about confused...  davidr69 | 04/10/07
Don't understand what you're bitching about  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Re: Don't understand  davidr69 | 04/10/07
"Something has to subsidize these expenses I incur"  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Cost to....  dkunzman@... | 04/10/07
I disagree, copyright laws are unbalanced  voska | 04/11/07
Re: From the producer's perspective  none none | 04/11/07
Don't force me to switch  doug@... | 04/10/07
You are never "forced" to switch ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
There is no excuse for theft, but...  austinm@... | 04/10/07
DMR = Bull ****  atmusky | 04/10/07
You forgot one.  slopoke | 04/10/07
I only pay one and only for quality  adr5@... | 04/10/07
Theft from the public commons.  richard233 | 04/10/07
Very good points  dragosani | 04/10/07
Exactly  Imaginos1892 | 04/10/07
Re: Theft from the public commons.  none none | 04/10/07
Found it!  Imaginos1892 | 04/10/07
Da@@it! You Beat Me To The Punch!  Old Timer 8080 | 04/11/07
Perpetual Copyright  TtfnJohn | 04/10/07
A leson to the RIAA  slopoke | 04/10/07
left coast barons  shraven | 04/11/07
Coppyright thaughts  leeepson7800 | 04/10/07
To early indeed  dragosani | 04/10/07
A litle slack.  slopoke | 04/10/07
I guessed that  dragosani | 04/10/07
Yep, all those spelling errors  Old Timer 8080 | 04/11/07
If you don't like the licence....  Dr.C | 04/10/07
Many license agreements aren't valid  Mike.2007@... | 04/10/07
Simple Answer  Ole Man | 04/17/07
Copy RIGHTS  Dr_Zinj | 04/10/07
Re: Copy RIGHTS  none none | 04/10/07
Wrong!!!  slopoke | 04/10/07
Double WRONG!!!  Update victim | 04/10/07
You may not have the right  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Piracy is wrong but it's also mis-identified  jedi105@... | 04/10/07
fair use, personal use and Canadian copyright law  sysop-dr | 04/10/07
Try new marketing ideas  lorphelin@... | 04/10/07
You missed a group  none none | 04/10/07
Common Sense is Sorely Lacking  Ginevra | 04/10/07
Added Comment  thefox220 | 04/10/07
Good question (and oops...)  Ginevra | 04/11/07
Copyright is NOT a license.  TtfnJohn | 04/10/07
Some right, some wrong  TrackStar1682 | 04/10/07
copyrights not right elua not right  shane_isaac@... | 04/10/07
DRM has gone mad!  slamspam | 04/10/07
Two issues being discussed  Wallgeye | 04/10/07
Copyright should prevent abuse, not use  chuck_gregory@... | 04/10/07
Way too tough, here's why  mames1701 | 04/10/07
Napster, Kazaa, and the others ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
Putting DRM aside for a moment ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
Mostly agree  tic swayback | 04/10/07
Not exactly  Edward Meyers | 04/10/07
Unequitable Copyright Enfringement Enforcement  bcroner | 04/10/07
Leagle?  mames1701 | 04/10/07
I AGREE  rhonie1@... | 04/18/07
YOU'RE DESTINED TO FAIL  BALTHOR | 04/10/07
Theft by Copyright Holder  ajm72 | 04/10/07
Theft by Copyright Producer  ajm72 | 04/10/07
Reply to Myself akelly  adakelly2@... | 04/10/07
leading back to  shraven | 04/11/07
leading back to  shraven | 04/11/07
Rational Gone Astray  pfries@... | 04/10/07
Is this for real?  slopoke | 04/10/07
Its for real  phillfri | 04/10/07
I must disagree with this.  doylewat@... | 04/10/07
Corporations are "legal entities", butthey are not "citizens".  phillfri | 04/10/07
Yes, the RIAA has a history of using strong arm tactics  Old Timer 8080 | 04/11/07
Here's my take  mtgarden | 04/10/07
Rational Gone Astray  pfries@... | 04/10/07
Theft  adakelly2@... | 04/10/07
Copyright laws are only partly about piracy  jdubow@... | 04/10/07
Theft#3 akelly  adakelly2@... | 04/10/07
Reply to Myself akelly  adakelly2@... | 04/10/07
What about all the older generations??  daddykevin13 | 04/10/07
Copyright law is too tough  Leria | 04/10/07
file SHARING  moheganer2@... | 04/10/07
Record and movie companies- GET A CLUE  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
get a clue  cogsbing@... | 04/12/07
Record and movie companies- GET A CLUE  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Nothing was stolen, its still there  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Nothing was stolen, its still there  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Nothing was stolen, its still there  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Nothing was stolen, its still there  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Higher prices come on  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Change would be nice  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Totally out of hand  thefox220 | 04/10/07
Like a book  paulhysen@... | 04/10/07
Re: apoint 2  dave003737@... | 04/10/07
Fair rights  carlino | 04/10/07
It's not the copyright holder's place to choose usage.  John_Doe69 | 04/10/07
Copyright and Making Money  Houckster | 04/11/07
I'll take the bait.  Sheeva | 04/11/07
DRM is annoying to the point where I don't buy!  cnaw@... | 04/11/07
No DRM for me ... well ...  rick@... | 04/11/07
Good question...  Ginevra | 04/11/07
The fine line  JDThompson | 04/11/07
I personally  Fevrin | 04/11/07
The real problem is greed.  RealAusTech | 04/11/07
The victims of this piracy are the consumers!  bobinvegas@... | 04/11/07
"backing up"  cogsbing@... | 04/12/07
Another Group?  Rat Marie | 04/12/07
Copyright laws have gone too far!  as901 | 04/12/07
Third Group  Stephen Wheeler | 04/12/07
your got to be joking,  TechEngineer | 04/14/07
And there's the problem  James T. Kirk | 04/14/07
It has gotten to the point  Ole Man | 04/17/07
Yourve got to be joking  TechEngineer | 04/14/07
Out of "Print"  zclayton2 | 04/12/07
I'd buy if I could  Gazok | 04/13/07
Congratulations! You have discovered what Open Source Software is about  Old Timer 8080 | 04/13/07
Piracy and DRM  janesman2007 | 04/17/07
Piracy and DRM  janesman2007 | 04/17/07
Are copyright laws really international?  pk3753@... | 04/17/07
Sites like Peerden think it's legal!?  tweaker50 | 11/06/09

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