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February 23rd, 2009

Do you really think Apple's going to take business advice from a bunch of cheapskates?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 10:44 am

Categories: Apple

Tags: Apple Inc., Netbooks, Nettops & MIDs, Desktops, Apple Mac OS, Hardware, Operating Systems, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

I can’t be the only one who’s tired of reading the opinions of cheapskates who feel that Apple, for some bizarre and unexplicable reason, owes them a low-cost Mac OS powered computer. Read my lips: It’s not gonna happen!

See, there are two lines of thinking. In the real world we have Apple, a multi-billion dollar company that’s carved out for itself a niche as a luxury technology company. Through selling a select few products at a relatively high price point (higher than other OEMs could pull off) the company pulls in billions of dollars a year with worldwide sales. You’re also dealing with a company that has around $25 billion (yes, billion!) in the bank, and zero debt. By any metric, Apple is doing very, very well.

But then in bizzaro-world, we have folks who seem utterly desperate for Apple to venture into mass-market areas such as budget PCs and netbooks, market segments that are notorious for having razor-thin profit margins and which are fought over by more than a dozen big-name OEMs. Boil down these bizzaro-world arguments and you really come down to one conclusion - Apple should make a cheap PC to satisfy the needs of the cheapskate buyer. Pop quiz - do you make billios of dollars from a cheapskate customer base? Hmmmm … maybe, but it’s a huge gamble.

Now, regular readers will know that I’m no Apple fanboy (in fact, I really can’t muster up the enthusiasm to be a fanboy for any company nowadays - there are products and services that I like and continue to buy, and there are those that I don’t …) and that the total extent of my Apple purchases over the years comes down to a few iPods and a Mac mini. I build my own PC systems so buying Apple doesn’t really factor in with me most of the time, but even when I’m in the market for a notebook, I’m too much of a cheapskate myself to spend money on an Apple-branded system. Sure, if I could pick up a brand new Mac Pro for say $500, I’d snap up one (probably several), but I’m not going to start fabricating a weak argument that Apple should be selling cheap systems just because of that. IIf I was going to go down that line I’d also want a cheap yacht, a cheap Rolex and a cheap Ferrari. The truth is that Apple shouldn’t start associating with cheap systems, not at least while the current business model is bringing in the cash by the truckload. Sure, there’s a downturn in spending, and there’s also no doubt that netbooks are hot, but you’d need to sell a lot of netbooks to bring in the same profit as one MacBook Pro or iPhone.

Now, we all know that the economy is shaky, and I’m pretty certain that over the next year or so Apple is going to experience a few hits, but I don’t even see that as being a valid reason for the company to throw out a business model that’s worked for years. It doesn’t have to change. Why? Just look at the company’s cash reserves - that’s give you nearly $25 billion reasons why it doesn’t need to change. Apple has the cash it needs to weather the current financial storm without having to make any changes to its sales model. 

Bottom line - Apple doesn’t need to make any rash business changes right now. It definitely doesn’t need to take business advice from a bunch of people looking for a cheap Mac. If Apple starts down that road of cutting prices, it’ll end up being another Dell or HP.

The way I see it is if you want an Apple computer and can buy one, buy one. If you can’t afford one, look at the plenty of excellent systems that are powered by Windows or Linux. If you really mush have a Mac OS system, then hit spend some quality time with your favorite search engine and learn how to put together a hackintosh system … anything, as long as your quit it with the whining!

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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Right on, Adrian!  Userama | 02/23/09
Still, Apple could reach a lot of new customers as they did with IPod and  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Not the same...  McDave | 02/23/09
I think you underestimate Apple. I think they can build netbooks that cost  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Still, Apple could create a high end netbook that was a couple hundred more  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Possibly  winski | 02/23/09
Still, Apple can sell for $200 more than the competition.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Another advantage Apple has over Windows based Netbooks: ARM.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Agreed.  Bruizer | 02/24/09
It's not their market...  Sleeper Service | 02/23/09
Huh? Apple can charge a premium in the Netbook market. They can also use  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Which is why they don't.  Sleeper Service | 02/23/09
Right, Apple will NOT compete on the low end of the Netbook Market.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
And since there isn't a high end for netbooks...  Sleeper Service | 02/23/09
Well, maybe not until Apple gets in, but, people WILL pay a premium for  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Then it's not a "netbook"  Lun_Esex | 02/23/09
No, Apple can be the most expensive in every category.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
The lower price is the trade off  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
Well, YES, it is also about price, and Apple Netbooks would be cheaper than  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
The middle is where they'd lose  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
I disagree . . .  JLHenry | 02/23/09
Apple will probably leapfrog minis  Prime Detailer | 02/23/09
Right on, Apple WILL be in this market, but, will make more money than the  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Right, they'll redefine the market.  sysin | 03/24/09
Apple has done cheap before....  djcobb44 | 02/23/09
Exactly, and, you would gladly pay a premium.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Premiumum???? I think your keys are sticking happy (nt)  JLHenry | 02/23/09
It's a different market  Lun_Esex | 02/23/09
iMod Pro; HackBook  emcauley | 02/23/09
I tend to look at it as a public policy question  John L. Ries | 02/23/09
Irrelevant  j.m.galvin | 02/23/09
Not irrelevant  John L. Ries | 02/23/09
Look at a different market  Ken_z | 02/23/09
Now come on...  McDave | 02/23/09
Let's go back to my book example  John L. Ries | 02/23/09
The purpose of copyright...  msalzberg | 02/23/09
Precisely...  McDave | 02/23/09
Been a while since I read the Federalist...  John L. Ries | 02/24/09
Still don't have an answer to the book question  John L. Ries | 02/24/09
@John L. Ries..  msalzberg | 02/24/09
Copyright (IP), Chapter 2  -hh | 02/24/09
Still dancing around the issue  John L. Ries | 02/24/09
Listening to customers is just good business.  georgeou | 02/23/09
Only "IF" Apple considers them customers they want  James Quinn | 02/23/09
Apple would love customers that will pay a premium in this category.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
But surely...  McDave | 02/23/09
What? Every Netbook has to be the same price? There can be no high end?  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Apple can stay out of any category they want  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
NO!! An Apple netbook would also have a less powerfull processor, no CD ROM  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
Keep waving that magic wand  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
Proportionate Responses  Harry Bardal | 02/23/09
Rolls Royce continued to make  frgough | 02/23/09
As was pointed out to your elsewhere  rtk | 02/23/09
Ah but is that not true for all car manufacturers?  James Quinn | 02/24/09
Wrong  frgough | 02/23/09
Wrong back at ya . . .  JLHenry | 02/23/09
Apple listened to their target market...  Lun_Esex | 02/23/09
i'd go further.  lostarchitect | 02/23/09
Listen to this customer  Ted T. | 02/23/09
RE Profit margins  gtdavies33@... | 02/23/09
Most customers are idiots.  Bruizer | 02/24/09
Or  homant@... | 02/26/09
I agree...  djchandler | 02/23/09
RE: Do you really think Apple  wings_rfs@... | 02/23/09
Think: size of the Aspire 1, Arm CPU, multi-touch, OSX, 12 hr bat, $499  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Make it full power/small size, and I'll pay full price  Marcos El Malo | 02/23/09
Sure, but there is space for a less powerful, fewer features model that  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
RE: Do you really think Apple  OhRama | 02/23/09
Why Adrian is right  jgpeters | 02/23/09
Apple can still charge more than anyboy else in this category, but, YES,  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
You are right on  MichaelWells | 02/23/09
And, why do you think that Apple can not design the best netbook and get a  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Why is ZDNet on this cheap Apple bandwagon?  gregory.dworak@... | 02/23/09
I have to agree  shis-ka-bob | 02/23/09
Did you actually read the article?  emcauley | 02/23/09
What a load of garbage!  NicoToscani | 02/23/09
You're are so wrong...  gregory.dworak@... | 02/23/09
You = Epic Fail  NicoToscani | 02/23/09
Shame then...  McDave | 02/23/09
If I may interject..  msalzberg | 02/23/09
Apple Net Income Higher than Dell's  scarface74 | 02/23/09
Wow!...  McDave | 02/23/09
Here, here, no reason to badmouth Apple OR Dell. Apple makes a great OS and  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Non-apple is not crap  custserv@... | 02/23/09
But you've got to admit...  McDave | 02/23/09
Having experience with both..  msalzberg | 02/23/09
Liar  NicoToscani | 02/24/09
ridiculous  rwahrens | 02/24/09
Highest Quality money can buy?.  medezark@... | 02/24/09
Apple's customer satisfaction ratings beg to differ  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
No  medezark@... | 02/23/09
Well, yes, Apple does great design, but, the components are not necessarily  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Cheapskates of the world, UNITE!  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
Good points  NicoToscani | 02/23/09
Very good Jason, Apple SHOULD compete in the mid to high end of the netbook  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
RE: ARM  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
Yep, you had that figured out a long time ago. Arm is the trump card  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Jason: do you think this will force MS to port Windows 7 to Arm?  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Windows Portability  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
Apple cant use ARM alone, they need a LEG as well  deaf_e_kate | 02/24/09
By that logic...  T1Oracle | 02/23/09
You underestimate Apple. They CAN create a premium Netbook that will NOT  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
The MBA is as close as it will get.  T1Oracle | 02/23/09
Apple would NEVER do a "starter" edition. They do not need to.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Earth to DonnieBoy this is reality calling... nt  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
Well, yes, and the reality is that Apple can charge a premium in any  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
Of course Apple's start at $1k, less than $800 is pure fantasy. nt  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
I'm curious . . .  JLHenry | 02/23/09
Actually I was thinking of the Shuffle, the Nano is over priced  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
News flash: Most of these companies already do.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
As aside ....  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
Brand differentiation is an option  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
So far ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 02/24/09
Well  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/24/09
It's not an option, a sub-brand would instantly link back the Apple core  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
Downscale brand introductions usually not done  j.m.galvin | 02/24/09
I really doubt that Apple would create a separate brand, and use it to push  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Exactly, they can't do it.  T1Oracle | 02/23/09
Hmmm . . .  JLHenry | 02/23/09
Because we'd all know they were Apples.  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
And don't forget VW . . .  JLHenry | 02/23/09
VW does not own Porsche  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
Other way around...  msalzberg | 02/24/09
+1 [n/m]  lostarchitect | 02/23/09
I think they owe it to their shareholders ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
But, Apple would not compete on price in this category.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Adrian, Darling Furball linked you!  Marcos El Malo | 02/23/09
Would destroy the illusion of MAC....  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 02/23/09
NOT if they come in on the high end of the Netbook segment.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
The only problem...  NicoToscani | 02/23/09
And, Apple will do an Arm based Netbook that has 4x battey life, 10-12 inch  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya..."  Lun_Esex | 02/23/09
Price does NOT define a netbook. There are NO absolute price limits.  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
A more expensive netbook isn't called a "netbook"  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
^ Plus Apple already has their crippled laptop, its called the Air nt  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
Again, Apple can design a netbook that is less powerful, less memory, no CD  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
This one makes sparkles!  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
No matter how pricey the lipstick, it's still Sarah Palin...  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
Two heavyweights: Jason vs Adrian  markbn | 02/23/09
Adrian wins  Marcos El Malo | 02/23/09
Jersey versus Londoners  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 02/23/09
I LOLed nt  Marcos El Malo | 02/24/09
RE: Do you really think Apple  MichaelWells | 02/23/09
Remember When?  Marcos El Malo | 02/23/09
It depends...  support@... | 02/23/09
It would be shooting themselves in the foot.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/09
No, Apple would sell for more than anybody else in this category, AND have  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
No, cheap doesn't work  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/24/09
Apple does NOT have to be cheap in the netbook segment, Apple will be the  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
RE: Do you really think Apple  laxamar | 02/23/09
Thank you!  Lun_Esex | 02/23/09
Except...  McDave | 02/23/09
The history of low-cost Macs  Lun_Esex | 02/24/09
Apple has MORE CASH than Microsoft, can buy DELL with CASH  Davewrite | 02/23/09
RE: Do you really think Apple  tmsmqwx | 02/23/09
Again, one more time with feeling. Apple will NOT compete on price in the  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
But it only takes one "non-genius" to repeat it 100 times... nt  T1Oracle | 02/24/09
It would not be necessary to repeat it, if dense people did not keep  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
there's a flaw in your reasoning  rwahrens | 02/24/09
Please to hire editor?  Rory1234 | 02/23/09
I dunno, I kind of like the folksy way he writes. He does not have to do  DonnieBoy | 02/23/09
Really?  Rory1234 | 02/23/09
Still, I like the way he writes, his folksy way. The technical content is  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
Is that a Mac putting in question marks...  sysin | 03/24/09
Apple already makes a Netbook  theoxygenthief | 02/23/09
No, that is a MID, a netbook must have a keyboard, and at least a 7 inch  DonnieBoy | 02/24/09
Advice from cheapskates? As likely as...  flatliner | 02/24/09
Regarding Still dancing around the issue  rwahrens | 02/24/09
That's better  John L. Ries | 02/24/09
good questions  rwahrens | 02/25/09
Sorry, at the end, I meant to say  rwahrens | 02/25/09
Doc Daneeka  kidtree | 02/25/09
Apples Business  The Management consultant | 02/26/09
Would MS ever get away with...  kgross | 02/26/09
Get it straight...  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/02/09

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