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March 4th, 2009

Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 4:38 am

Categories: Apple, Hardware

Tags: Dell Computer Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co., Apple iMac, Apple Inc., CPU, Desktops, Processors, Hardware, Semiconductors, Components

While most analysts yesterday seemed critical of Apple’s latest product refresh, Oppenheimer analyst Yair Reiner did a spec-by-spec comparison of the new Apple iMac with offerings from both Dell and HP and found that found the new iMacs to be “a better value than competing Windows-based products.” Well, do they?

Here’s what Reiner had to say:

iMacA side-by-side comparison suggests the new iMacs match up favorably against Dell  and HP’s All-in-One’s on a price-to-performance basis. For example, the $1,499 model has a faster CPU and RAM with better or comparable graphics, and is still $100-$250 cheaper (though it lacks a TV Tuner, ~$60-$100 upgrade).

Check out the Feb 09 Apple refresh image gallery

Reiner offers a chart to back up his conclusions:

At first blush is looks like Reiner has a point … but …

If Apple had done this a year or so ago, it might have been big newsFirst off, the chart is a little biased (accidentally I assume) in favor of Apple. For example, when comparing the 2.65GHz dual-core CPU in the iMac to the 2.33GHz quad-core CPU in the Dell, Reiner puts this down as a win for Apple. Hmmm … sure the clock speed of the Apple piece is higher, but there are fewer cores. I could equally debate the 6MB of CPU cache verses 4MB … if feels a bit like Reiner is clutching at straws a bit to bring validity to his chart.

Other examples of oddities in the chart include the inclusion of iLife to the chart, not giving Dell a win for the 2.0 megapixel webcam, and the odd inclusion of the weight of the base case to the list … not sure what that means to anyone.

Let’s not forget that as things stand right now the tech economy is being driven along by notebooks and netbooks, not +$1,500 desktop all-in-one systems. Apple’s own Q1 ‘09 financial results conference call told us that of the 2,524,000 Macs sold in that period, 728,000 were desktops and 1.796 million were notebooks. Put another way desktop shipments fell 25% compared to Q1 ‘08 while notebooks surged 34% compared to the same period. A price/value war is going to be fought at this lower end.

If Apple had done this a year or so ago, it might have been big news, but doing it now, in a market where desktops are tanking I really don’t think it’s that much of a big deal. You’ve also got to factor into the equation the fact that Apple will be stuck with this lineup at this exact price for a few months, while the big OEMs will be regularly refreshing lines and tweaking prices.

Thoughts?

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RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?
my 2 cents

Please look at what you say when you say film companies use Macs over PC. All companies use PC parts and PC computers, few FX studios are exclusively Mac,and Mac has PC parts. This i... (Read the rest)
Posted by: NPB Posted on: 05/06/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Maybe just maybe you're biased against Macs?  Mikael_z | 03/04/09
Actually you are just patetic, like any apple apologist  Soulstorm | 03/04/09
No one  frgough | 03/04/09
Oh snap!!!  James T. Kirk | 03/04/09
Yes...  olePigeon | 03/04/09
What a coincidence!  Mikael_z | 03/04/09
Does this guy know what he is talking about?  558742 | 03/05/09
The Shavian Thread  DannyO_0x98 | 03/04/09
What many Windows users forget...  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
More clueless posting by a Mac apologist.  ye | 03/04/09
uh huh... guess that makes you ..  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
a reply  NoThomas | 03/04/09
@NoThomas  Axsimulate | 03/04/09
Just Vista?  NoThomas | 03/04/09
@NoThomas: I suspect he doesn't have a clue what's hammering...  ye | 03/04/09
@NoThomas  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
@Ye  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
@ Axsimulate  NoThomas | 03/05/09
@NoThomas  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
@Axsimulate: We already proved another ABMer was clueless.  ye | 03/05/09
@Ye  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
@Axsimulate  NoThomas | 03/05/09
HD Thrashing  lehnerus2000 | 03/06/09
@NoThomas  Axsimulate | 03/06/09
I specifically mentioned Vista but my reference is also valid for XP too.  ye | 03/04/09
Your being a Mac apologist makes me a Windows apologist?  ye | 03/04/09
@Ye  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
Well this is certainly representative of how much....  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
@xuniL_z  Axsimulate | 03/06/09
Guess what, ye  frgough | 03/04/09
EVERY Mac user has??  NoThomas | 03/04/09
IME Mac apologists haven't used a current version...  ye | 03/04/09
As a user of both  frgough | 03/04/09
Probably XP  frgough | 03/04/09
Guess it depends on your definition  NoThomas | 03/05/09
Totally false.  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
I've used Apple for 2 years  JumB0B0B | 03/04/09
Experience the difference...not good for Macs  gypkap@... | 03/05/09
@gypkap  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
re: What many Windows users forget  dpatjhh | 03/06/09
FINALLY! Someone with the plain and simple truth.  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
@xuniL_z  Axsimulate | 03/06/09
Actually, yeah, it is.  James T. Kirk | 03/04/09
dumb on board GMA gets 4.1 for $5  mswift@... | 03/05/09
Agreed. Those tech-specs look extremely tired today  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/04/09
Which, of course, explains  frgough | 03/04/09
This would be the growth that's slowing...  Sleeper Service | 03/04/09
Right  frgough | 03/04/09
I'm not a zealot, just a realist...  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
Unlike Apple-Nuts that worship a product ONLY if it's from Apple.  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/04/09
These are comparable systems?  NonZealot | 03/04/09
Feature worship and geek love aside  frgough | 03/04/09
why?  nothingness | 03/04/09
What's so strange?  jaypeg | 03/04/09
Can't the same be said..  msalzberg | 03/04/09
emotional dislike  NoThomas | 03/04/09
Emotional dislike, continued...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
You asked...  NoThomas | 03/04/09
@NoThomas..  msalzberg | 03/04/09
thus proving my point  frgough | 03/04/09
@nothingness  Axsimulate | 03/05/09
I'm not busy so I'll play along  MacCanuck | 03/04/09
Man I love to ..  gavin142 | 03/04/09
Does anyone really care?  Dogcatcher | 03/04/09
I think the problem is  frgough | 03/04/09
Are you Kidding?  Mectron | 03/04/09
I know.... I should try a worthy opponent rather  James Quinn | 03/04/09
That's beautiful Jim......  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
Ummm.....  James T. Kirk | 03/04/09
I agree with you completely  macadam | 03/04/09
That little diatribe  frgough | 03/04/09
You have GOT to be joking.  James T. Kirk | 03/04/09
Nice try  frgough | 03/04/09
Jeez....  James T. Kirk | 03/05/09
Actually there is no problem  GuidingLight | 03/04/09
The standard response  frgough | 03/04/09
There was an automotive study some years ago...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
yep lots of proof on that one  mswift@... | 03/05/09
Nope! - No disgusting envy here.  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/04/09
GUy you wrong big time  Mikebikedude | 03/04/09
Does it come with a 24 inch monitor ????  mrlinux | 03/04/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  shadowself | 03/04/09
Um, did you misspeak?  wolf_z | 03/04/09
FWIW:  macadam | 03/04/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  DannyO_0x98 | 03/04/09
CPU speed not everthing  jscott418 | 03/04/09
Well the Dell has the sub par grpahics ....  mrlinux | 03/04/09
Gotta love the hypocrisy!  ye | 03/04/09
Wrong!!!  mrlinux | 03/04/09
You said:  ye | 03/04/09
Maybe and Maybe not...  mrlinux | 03/04/09
Swoosh go the goal posts. Again this is what you said:  ye | 03/04/09
maybe, maybe not...  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
More of the same unsubstantiated FUD Mac apologist spew.  ye | 03/04/09
Well the proof is...  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
Maybe your son is mentally challenged?  markbn | 03/04/09
And just maybe  MacCanuck | 03/04/09
Let me make an honest man out of you:  ye | 03/04/09
Sluggish for inepts like you  markbn | 03/04/09
@markbn... ouch, more mindless insults  MacCanuck | 03/05/09
MacCannuck with his canned ABM lines again..  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
Never had to rebuild my PCs either.  ye | 03/04/09
Really?  Paul18992 | 03/05/09
Really.  ye | 03/05/09
@Paul18992  Axsimulate | 03/06/09
no shortage of clueless mac users  jogiba@... | 03/04/09
Good Points  Harry Bardal | 03/04/09
why?  shis-ka-bob | 03/04/09
We use both too, and have find  GuidingLight | 03/04/09
I've upgraded....  msalzberg | 03/04/09
So it's your assertion every Mac upgrade is error free?  ye | 03/04/09
And your assertion is the same?  MacCanuck | 03/04/09
If that wasn't his implication then why did he write:  ye | 03/04/09
@ye...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
@msalzberg: Then tell me, why did you write:  ye | 03/05/09
Nope. Not at all.  msalzberg | 03/04/09
And what does that say of Mac users who have troubles with Windows?  ye | 03/05/09
Define "Troubles"?  James Quinn | 03/05/09
@James Quinn: Specifics please.  ye | 03/05/09
@Ye.... OK  James Quinn | 03/05/09
@James Quinn: More vagueness. Why am I not surprised?  ye | 03/05/09
How many here use all the horsepower?  TripleII | 03/04/09
Why do people bother comparing Mac to Windows?  Been_Done_Before | 03/04/09
Excellent Idea!  SimonUK | 03/04/09
One thing NOT true....  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
also 2007 PC magazines fastest Vista laptop was a Mac  Davewrite | 03/04/09
Thanks Dave ! .... but...  DrDavidC | 03/04/09
Haha, you must be a clown really  markbn | 03/04/09
you say Popular Mechanics writes crappy tech reviews? ok whatever  Davewrite | 03/04/09
I made a precise criticism of the review you quoted  markbn | 03/04/09
still say you're smarter than Pop Mech? wow, can I get your autograph?  Davewrite | 03/04/09
Oh dear.  Sleeper Service | 03/04/09
Don't like PC mag and PM reviews? ok whatever  Davewrite | 03/04/09
That's not the point...  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
"Popular Mech is laughable" wow,ok your're smarter than P.M  Davewrite | 03/05/09
*Sigh*  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
Sleeper says "My tech writing experience is irrelevant" but says he knows  Davewrite | 03/05/09
"Facts" such as these are why apologists are considered clueless.  ye | 03/04/09
Huh?  ~Obelix~ | 03/04/09
I'm not surprised your confused. It seems to be habital with you.  ye | 03/04/09
Apple doesn't optimize for Vista, yet built fastest Vista laptop  Davewrite | 03/04/09
@Davewrite: See, this is EXACTLY what I'm referring to!  ye | 03/05/09
hey Ye: PC mag said that the fastest Vista laptop they tested was a Mac  Davewrite | 03/05/09
@Davewrite: I can't say that I'm happy. The validity of your facts...  ye | 03/05/09
nt  Davewrite | 03/05/09
2008 LEOPARD wins PC MAG's OS shootout, wins 4 categories Vista wins 0  Davewrite | 03/05/09
Then why did this Dell boot up faster? Much faster?  Ambivi | 03/04/09
you trust a youtube video and not PC mag or Popular Mech reviews, wow ok  Davewrite | 03/04/09
Yes, a 2.4GHz processor is faster than a 2.33GHz processor!  Ambivi | 03/05/09
The processor is faster but that is NOT the only  James Quinn | 03/05/09
Your arguments still look stupid, sorry  Davewrite | 03/05/09
@davewrite, you don't seem to be very bright  Ambivi | 03/05/09
ambivi, PC World said "The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this  Davewrite | 03/07/09
I hope so  NoThomas | 03/05/09
Surely a Dell XPS One...  SimonUK | 03/04/09
Does it matter?  Sleeper Service | 03/04/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  notlehs | 03/04/09
Apple's Winning. Apple's got more CASH than Msoft can buy Dell wt Cash  Davewrite | 03/04/09
How about... Benchmarks  ~Obelix~ | 03/04/09
Benchmarks  ~Obelix~ | 03/04/09
Applogy in order to ZDnet?  ~Obelix~ | 03/04/09
ZDNets talkback forum is lame.  ye | 03/04/09
For a technology site...  msalzberg | 03/04/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  bobhog | 03/04/09
Does it matter?  Ken_z | 03/04/09
Macs winning out in my company  keaura | 03/04/09
YE:...  mrlinux | 03/05/09
You post was clear which is exactly why I responded with what I did.  ye | 03/05/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  jahcriado | 03/05/09
Lets try another  homant@... | 03/05/09
XPS? Why the expensive one? Bad article.  Narg | 03/05/09
Dell and HP you can upgrade, you can't the iMac...  Narg | 03/05/09
Not so grasshopper .......:P  James Quinn | 03/05/09
Upgrade?  null | 03/05/09
Adrian, another error in the chart  don3605 | 03/05/09
I did notice...  914four | 03/05/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  null | 03/05/09
Modify slightly...  gypkap@... | 03/05/09
My Toshiba  null | 03/05/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  roger@... | 03/05/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  Rich_F | 03/05/09
RE: Are the new Apple iMacs a better deal than Dell and HP can offer?  NPB | 05/06/09

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