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March 23rd, 2009

Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 8:31 am

Categories: Software, Thoughts

Tags: Mozilla Firefox, Web Browser, Google Chrome, Web Browsers, Internet, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

I remember a time not that long ago when most geeks agreed that Firefox was the best browser (oddly enough, I was still using IE because I wasn’t impressed by Firefox’s stability and resource usage). Since then things have changed a lot. All the major browsers have become a lot better, and as a result of this some who were previously loyal Firefox users are making the switch to other browsers.

Keir Thomas of PC World has the following to say:

This is an exciting time for Web browsers. Google Chrome is now available in alpha for Linux, and I downloaded it for Ubuntu. Despite the fact that I was running it on my rather underpowered Dell Mini 9, it started in the blink of an eye. Additionally, any JavaScript-heavy sites like Gmail or Google Docs were so responsive that it’s almost unbelievable.

Does that sound familiar? That’s right. It’s just like how Firefox used to be.

Mozilla have several grand aims, and there’s much to be admired, but they’ve forgotten how to make a decent browser. I feel plenty of loyalty for them, because they’ve done more than anybody else to further the cause of open source software in the real world. But when I tried Chrome, as incomplete as it was, I realized I’d found a replacement for Firefox. As soon as it gets to beta under Linux, I will switch to Chrome. No question. It’s just infinitely better. It’s like when we all switched from Alta Vista (or Yahoo!) to Google back in the early noughties. The king is dead! Long live the king!

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I was a long time Internet Explorer user (it came pre-installed on pretty much PC that I used, so it seemed like the most sensible choice). I kept hearing about Firefox and how fast and secure it was, but I was never really impressed enough to switch. Stability never seemed that great to me and while I was impressed by the number of add-ons available, I never really found anything that was a must have. In fact, I stuck with IE until Firefox 3.0 was released, at which point I found my new favorite web browser. I thought I was going to be happy with Firefox for a long time to come.

Problem is, things didn’t stay that way, and two things in particular happened. First, I realized that switching browsers wasn’t all that traumatic an experience, and once I’d made the first leap of faith to a new web browser platform, making another didn’t seem anywhere near as daunting. I found that it was just as easy to make regular use of several browsers as it was one. At the same time existing browsers went through a rapid phase of improvement, and a new browser, Google’s Chrome, became available.

The position I’ve ended up in is one where I’m using different browsers for different things. I have different favorites and different home pages loaded into IE, Firefox, Chrome and Opera and I shift between them regularly. Rather than shifting my allegiance from IE to Firefox, I’ve found myself adopting an agnostic viewpoint as to which browser is “best” and utilizing the strengths of the individual browsers to suit my needs.

The trend that I’ve noticed from the email, comments and TalkBacks I’ve received is that are quite a lot of users who do what I do and use more than one browser. Others are fiercely loyal to the browser they are currently using (these are usually Firefox or Safari users) and can’t see any reason to either shift to a different browser or use more than one browser. Then there are those who would like to make a switch (which seem to be Firefox users wanting to switch to Chrome) but are rely on a specific feature of the browser they are currently using (very often this is an add-on or extension). I’ve also come across a LOT of people who simply won’t try a browser like Chrome because they don’t trust the company behind it. While I’m not really concerned about such things, I can appreciate why others might be.

My take on the browser arena right now is that things are changing. While I’m not for one moment going to suggest that Firefox is in any way doomed or likely to experience a fall off in users, it has to be remembered that it’s taken Mozilla a long time to capture 20% of the browser market. There are now more browsers aimed at the PC (I’m thinking of Safari and Chrome) I think that we’re going to see a situation where future gains are going to be slower simply because there’s more competition.

One complaint I find that’s directed at Firefox often is that the browser has shifted too far away from the early ideals of “fast and secure” and has become bloated. I think how you feel about this will depend on what you want from a browser, but as a rule pretty much every software project increases in complexity as time goes by as the project tries to be all things to all users. The beauty of open source is that if there’s enough demand for a browser that’s less bloated than Firefox, someone will modify the code and make one.

So, what do you think? Have you changed browsers? Have you thought about changing? Is Firefox in danger of being overtaken or is everything OK with the open source project?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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I am with you on that.  xXSpeedzXx | 03/23/09
Principles  Economister | 03/23/09
Well, since you brought it up...  Rinzai | 03/24/09
Well, since you brought it up...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
Opera mostly here  Stuka | 03/23/09
Pretty much the same here  Scrat | 03/24/09
I wish it worked better  rhomp2002@... | 03/24/09
I very seldom...  fairportfan | 05/01/09
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Yahoo video problem in Opera?  eMJayy | 03/24/09
Arcane settings  tekwrite | 05/01/09
Not Opera's fault...  fairportfan | 05/01/09
Chrome and perhaps back to IE  honeymonster | 03/23/09
FF is fast, stable and secure...  eMJayy | 03/24/09
IE has way more vulnerabilities, MS just hides them  T1Oracle | 03/25/09
Does Chrome have an ad blocker?  techvet | 03/23/09
Or have NoScript?  ridingthewind | 03/23/09
IE7Pro.... inferior? Please  TylerM89 | 03/23/09
Ad blocker #1 for me as well  datax1969 | 03/24/09
Not just the ad blocker  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
Well, of sorts...  Californian | 03/25/09
Better yet...  Californian | 03/25/09
Half measure  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  notlehs | 03/23/09
IE for fun, FF for work  karnok.d@... | 03/23/09
Not sure...  Ben_E | 03/23/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Steve Webb | 03/23/09
Strange that you say that...  Mitch 74 | 03/23/09
Google knows FF quite well though.  xuniL_z | 03/23/09
No browser is perfect, FF is more than good enuf  no_zd_user_name | 03/23/09
yes  fuzzywinkles | 03/24/09
I agree. IE8 was just released. It's more than good enough. People that...  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
Firefox is better than even IE8  Lerianis | 03/23/09
Chrome? with Ad Blocker?  eMJayy | 03/24/09
And it won't be Free!  mejohnsn | 03/29/09
I agree  Midnight04 | 03/24/09
That's hilarious  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
Yes, but on the other side of the coin, they won't get converts...  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
Many people don't care about ads...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/09
We don't disagree.  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
Yeah, we do  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/09
Pervasive Pornography  oldbaritone | 03/27/09
For standards compliance and compatibility with non std. sites, IE8 is best  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
More than one browser?  ejhonda | 03/23/09
poor? a decent browser?  burt&theband | 03/24/09
Abandon FF if it doesn't nail SVG  quizzical | 03/23/09
I thought SVG was a dead technology  Rinzai | 03/24/09
If it isn't, it should be...  jackbond | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  phil@... | 03/23/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  triptogenetica | 03/23/09
Add-ins make the difference for me.  terry flores | 03/23/09
Agreed  rightwingnutter | 03/24/09
Make it even better with "Untrusted" sites  oldbaritone | 03/27/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Cosmo54 | 03/23/09
It's an as-needed basis  superbus | 03/23/09
Switch for the hell of it.  storm14k | 03/23/09
Here Here!  LiquidLearner | 03/23/09
Aren't you the epitome of a fanboy? Geez, get a life already...  transposeIT | 03/24/09
What is that supposed to mean?  InAction Man | 03/24/09
who are you?  xuniL_z | 03/24/09
Do it, don't just preach it.  InAction Man | 03/24/09
You don't get it. I don't HATE open source or OS X.  xuniL_z | 03/25/09
Ah, and make your bias clear.  InAction Man | 03/24/09
That is a good idea Storm14k, but W3 numbers are waaaay off.  xuniL_z | 03/24/09
IE will stay high  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
You and others here use the term "lock in" too loosely.  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
It is what it is  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/09
Do you keep up with reality?  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
You should find better tools  InAction Man | 03/26/09
Do you have an open mind?  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/09
Firefox broke the IE stranglehold  jorjitop | 03/23/09
50% Choose Firefox  itanalyst2@... | 03/23/09
In your dreams...Come back when that has some bit of reality...  transposeIT | 03/24/09
As if you cared about reality.  InAction Man | 03/24/09
please refrain from  xuniL_z | 03/24/09
"100% more accurate"???? WTF is that supposed to mean?  InAction Man | 03/24/09
It's denial  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
You mean pretend the W3 disclaimer itself doesn't exist?  xuniL_z | 03/25/09
It indicates a local trend  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
A wise Linux user once told me.  xuniL_z | 03/25/09
Just do the Math  InAction Man | 03/25/09
Also, Idle Man.....yes 100% is mathematically possible..  xuniL_z | 03/25/09
Here is the Mathematical proof that you are a joke  InAction Man | 03/25/09
What JOKE you are after being smacked down and still spouting off  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
 xuniL_z | 03/26/09
@zunil: I knew you couldn't undestand the Math  InAction Man | 03/26/09
Don't argue with crazy people . . .  oldbaritone | 03/27/09
You're right. Argue with him or with a signal light the result is the same  InAction Man | 03/27/09
Failed Reading Comprehension Didn't You?  itanalyst2@... | 03/24/09
LOL! They walked right into that one....  eMJayy | 03/24/09
Yeah, and who goes by W3 numbers?  xuniL_z | 03/24/09
Doesn't matter  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
No such thing.  xuniL_z | 03/25/09
Ya know....  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
Who's victimized?  xuniL_z | 03/26/09
Masochist!  InAction Man | 03/26/09
whaaa...whaaaa...whaaaa...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/09
As much as I would love to believe that statistic...  DevJonny | 03/24/09
Yes, the poll on this very page says 50% of ZDNeters choose Firefox. nt  T1Oracle | 03/24/09
Probably better than that  rightwingnutter | 03/24/09
Pity about the security in safari 4.  paul@... | 03/23/09
Security in Windows vs OS X  waybj | 03/24/09
IE8 all the way !!  IE8 | 03/24/09
LOL! All hype, no substance..  eMJayy | 03/24/09
Real performance test better than synthetic test  IE8 | 03/25/09
no spam please  burt&theband | 03/24/09
Relevant info  IE8 | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Mike (not Cox) | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  scouser73 | 03/24/09
IE is fast.  BrooklynTree | 03/24/09
I Have To Agree  LegendsOfBatman | 03/24/09
FireFox for the Web Developer/Designer  eadrian75 | 03/24/09
Multiple Browsers  waybj | 03/24/09
I am just not comfortable with giving Google more power on my desktop  Baer | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Wesley A | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Niffy_z | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  smithkl42 | 03/24/09
AdBlock Plus, FlashBlock, and NoScript  scott1329 | 03/24/09
yes - tho FF resource use is frustrating  IAFarm2 | 03/24/09
Yahoo Videos  rgeiken@... | 03/24/09
Reinstall the flash plugin  eMJayy | 03/24/09
The best is still GoGo Data  LegendsOfBatman | 03/24/09
3 browsers  j0sh8503 | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Aquineas | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  yeochief | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  leerlemoniii | 03/24/09
Too bad one browser is not enough  jscott418 | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  ahumeniy | 03/24/09
What's the point of this poll?  Spiritusindomit@... | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  rtirman37@... | 03/24/09
adblock/noscript/ubiquity  boombaard | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  psion@... | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  tim.fitzpatrick@... | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Hans Schmidt | 03/24/09
RE: At least Firefox runs on 64-bit Vista with multiple networks installed  rgwoneness | 03/24/09
How about a browser mute button?  johnWorks | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  dsmutum | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  dogmo1001 | 03/24/09
Don't hold back on the Beef, Adrian!  tmurray@... | 03/24/09
I have to say  rebelxhardcore | 03/24/09
51% Firefox usage should answer this question!  rgeiken@... | 03/24/09
I hate to burst your bubble, but W3 stats are NOT mainstream whatsover...  xuniL_z | 03/24/09
Firefox vs Thunderbird  Rinzai | 03/24/09
love affair?  The Management consultant | 03/24/09
Go OPERA!  portafaux@... | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Silk_z | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  node357 | 03/24/09
ZDNet Microsoft Lemming Can't Stand Good News?  NBSF | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Dave Keays | 03/24/09
Firefox or Gecko?  baumgrenze | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  mikuj | 03/24/09
It's between FF and Chrome  General C# | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  rhall621 | 03/24/09
You pretty much got it.  CobraA1 | 03/24/09
Firefox 3 unstable??  mbuck@... | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Midnight04 | 03/24/09
Help with FF fonts?  Boxarox | 03/24/09
Nothing wrong with a multi-browser box/chrome-screemreader?  burt&theband | 03/24/09
My lustful passion for Firefox is as strong as ever!  D. W. Bierbaum | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  merc2dogs` | 03/24/09
In a Windows environment...  melekali | 03/24/09
more than 1 browser = web concept Epic FAIL!  bklooste | 03/24/09
I use them all...  ghost_ghost | 03/24/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Disgruntled M$ User | 03/25/09
Firefox Flexibility  jason.baron@... | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  qunungnauraq | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  qunungnauraq | 03/25/09
Be prepared for more...  melekali | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  estonijaan | 03/25/09
Prefer firefox, use multiple  MariusSilverwolf | 03/25/09
Ever use...  melekali | 03/25/09
I sure have.  MariusSilverwolf | 03/25/09
I mostly use FireFox  Beat a Dead Horse | 03/25/09
I've been using Opera...  melekali | 03/25/09
i prefer firefox simply because i don't need to install all that bloat. a  wessonjoe | 03/25/09
Chrome  Californian | 03/25/09
My one objection to Google anything...  melekali | 03/25/09
C'mon, fella  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/09
Choose your bloat level with Firefox Addons  Clif Westbrook | 03/25/09
control your bloat level with profiles  Dave Keays | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Xanderxavier | 03/25/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  quimkaos@... | 03/25/09
Waning?  PaddyO | 03/25/09
FF / web developing  techrepublic@... | 03/26/09
FireFox has better privacy  zdnet.blogs@... | 03/26/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  bigleagues | 03/26/09
the Forplay with FireFox has just begun. :)(:  Trendymoose | 03/26/09
the competition breeds innovation  katrillionaire@... | 03/27/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  mejohnsn | 03/29/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  techie1411@... | 03/31/09
It may be IE trying to load ...  Interested Amateur | 03/31/09
11 seconds? hahaha  geolemon | 06/23/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  Reged | 05/01/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  tekwrite | 05/01/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  elderlybloke | 05/01/09
RE: Is the geek love affair with Firefox waning?  pico_D | 05/04/09
Firefox Fat and Ludicrous, Chrome Slim and Easy  geolemon | 06/23/09

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