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April 13th, 2009

Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 5:26 am

Categories: Security

Tags: Apple Mac OS, Apple Macintosh, Microsoft Windows 7, Operating System, Microsoft Windows Vista, Apple Mac OS X, Operating System Security, Linux, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems

Operating system security is always a hotly contended subject, and last week Microsoft amped up the hype by claiming that Windows Vista and the soon-to-be-released 7 is the world’s most secure OS, beating both Linux and Mac OS X.

Here’s what Microsoft’s chief operating officer Kevin Turner had to say at the MidMarket CIO Summit last week:

Vista today, post-Service Pack 2, which is now in the marketplace, is the safest, most reliable OS we’ve ever built. It’s also the most secure OS on the planet, including Linux and open source and Apple Leopard. It’s the safest and most secure OS on the planet today. Everything that we’ve learned in Vista will be leveraged in Windows 7, but certainly when we broke a lot of the compatibility issues to lock down user account controls, to lock down the ability to manipulate states and all the things, that was a very painful process for us to grow through, but we had to do it. And the reason that Windows 7 will be successful is because of the pain we took on Vista. Because from a compatibility standpoint, if it works on Vista, it will work on Windows 7. If it doesn’t work on Vista, it won’t work on Windows 7. [emphasis added

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The “my OS is better than your OS” debate is usually a pointless exercise because the conclusions are ultimately unsatisfactory. It’s a bit like asking whose Mom makes the best apple pie or who is the best driver. Our prejudices get in the way of a logical debate.

However, despite being primarily a Windows user, I can’t help but feel that Microsoft’s “most secure OS on the planet” statement is rooted more in hyperbole than fact. If Turner had said “most secure Windows OS on the planet” I might have been happy to buy that. But to say that it’s more secure than Mac OS X or Linux, gimme a break. All my Windows machines are beefed up with additional body armor in the form of firewalls and antivirus applications, additions that are unnecessary on my Linux or Mac systems.

While I know how to keep my Windows boxes safe from the bad guys, I’m not sure if I could hand my Mac or Linux systems over to bad guys if I wanted to. The critical difference here isn’t the OS but the volume of threats facing each one. I’m happy to leave my Mac or Linux boxes unpatched for months, but feel quite vulnerable if my Windows boxes aren’t patched by the end of Patch Tuesday, and with good reason. That to me is a critical test in determining whether an OS is secure.

Can the dominant OS ever be the safest OS? I’m not sure it can ever be the safest choice.

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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Most secure?  handydan918@... | 04/13/09
More people hacking it = looking more like swiss cheese  Lerianis | 04/13/09
You are wish that wass true.....  linux for me | 04/13/09
Explanation: Vista wasn't hacked  honeymonster | 04/13/09
Of course not! The tooth fairy was hacked.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
No it wasn't...  jamesrayg | 04/13/09
Don't be silly James.  Charles Norrie | 04/14/09
Cheap talk . . .  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
Correct  rbslack@... | 04/14/09
and more to the point...  awasson@... | 04/14/09
Of course not! The tooth fairy was hacked.  MGP2 | 04/13/09
Lerianis says so...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Several Vulns Already  daengbo | 04/13/09
It's like they are wearing a magic charm.  deowll | 04/14/09
It's like they are wearing a magic charm.  3DSumoWrestler | 04/14/09
Invincable? Just not worth the effort.  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
How much self-replicating...  arminw | 04/14/09
It would help if you'd write in grammatical English  Charles Norrie | 04/14/09
Confused  daengbo | 04/14/09
Would've taken Ubuntu?  tmsbrdrs | 04/19/09
Linux and Macs not worth hacking  bklooste | 04/16/09
clicking ok  tmsbrdrs | 04/19/09
More secure?  steve_jonesuk@... | 08/07/09
Can you provide us with some (any) evidence to sustain you claims?  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Yeah  Lerianis | 04/14/09
That's not proof  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Don't show your ignorance...  Marty R. Milette | 04/14/09
Why don't you read more carefully  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Well, don't show your own.  pkrdk | 04/14/09
Not if it's connected to a network  akulkis | 04/15/09
NT 4 was only C2 if it was not plugged into...  mrlinux | 04/15/09
if it looks like swiss cheese, and tastes like swiss cheese ..  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Don't claim to miss the point.  deowll | 04/14/09
Hoisted by your own petard  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Server 2008  MadWhiteHatter | 04/14/09
grinning like the Cheshire Cat  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Errr... Linux does?  Mitch 74 | 04/15/09
But for the user . . .  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
Here is your evidence  ckl_88 | 04/14/09
OK, but do you have anything Linux related?  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Actually Linux was the survivor...  awasson@... | 04/14/09
sorry, charlie ... FICTION, not "truth"  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Dude, if you have problems just using any modern OS.  deowll | 04/14/09
the issue is security, not navigational preference  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Has SP2 for Vista been released yet? (nt)  ye | 04/13/09
Officially... No  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
Then I find it odd he would say:  ye | 04/13/09
I think Windows has reached a point  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
well said... the MS business model has created a couple  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
I don't even necessarily think MS needs to certify the software  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
thats the point...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
I am a Linux Newbie, and I still prefer Windows at this time  BroGnorik | 04/13/09
You would think......  LazLong | 04/13/09
Wow. A considerate response to a newbie.  Azathoth | 04/13/09
A good Open Source response to a newbie.  Dr.C | 04/14/09
Hang in there!  r1r1p1@... | 04/13/09
It's an App Store  daengbo | 04/13/09
u probably already use a repository and don't know it...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Repos is easy  qvtech | 04/14/09
Do you have the slightest idea on how EPIC the gran mal fit would be?  Wolfie2K3 | 04/14/09
Nobody to blame but themselves  jbroche18 | 04/16/09
Linux way more secure on my system  tech_walker | 04/13/09
u might try a different distro... each has it's own issues  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
VectorLinux is great!  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
LOL  davidhite | 04/14/09
how to get the wifi to work  tmsbrdrs | 04/23/09
Who's on first?  deowll | 04/14/09
What does that have to do with anything?  tmsbrdrs | 04/19/09
Try Secunia Personal Software Inspector  markbn | 04/13/09
I have tried that  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
Re; Secunia. I do agree there. It is not the same as  hkommedal | 04/14/09
Secunia is great, but...  martian@... | 04/15/09
You don't need to be admin in Vista to run Secunia`  markbn | 04/22/09
A central repository and patch system in Windows would be great  T1Oracle | 04/13/09
Unfortunately I agree  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
It exists  LiquidLearner | 04/13/09
Could it be a control issue?  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
You're kinda muddling two things together  de-void | 04/13/09
Open Source = quicker patching? NO!  Lerianis | 04/13/09
Broken or insecure?  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
Lets not forget that  T1Oracle | 04/13/09
i'll provide an example for him...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
agreed, a number of projects (including my own file butler)  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
M$ won't do that  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Re; but nowhere near as many. Are you sure ?  hkommedal | 04/14/09
Confusion  daengbo | 04/15/09
name some  tmsbrdrs | 04/19/09
Agreed on patch tuesday...  Spiritusindomit@... | 04/15/09
This says it best...  Sleeper Service | 04/13/09
That?s an interesting way of looking at it  InAction Man | 04/13/09
A little hard to follow...  Cayble | 04/13/09
There's no need to disagree anymore.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Drivel? Please clarify  de-void | 04/13/09
Again????  InAction Man | 04/13/09
What about  MissingMatter | 04/14/09
Again????  Badgered | 04/14/09
@Badgered: neither does yours  InAction Man | 04/14/09
sheesh  Badgered | 04/14/09
Educate yourself!  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
RE: Educate yourself! by hasta la Vista, bah-bie  i8thecat | 04/14/09
It's in the design  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
@hasta  Badgered | 04/14/09
"May be true" is speculation  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
again....  Badgered | 04/14/09
Selective reading  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Ya know..  Badgered | 04/14/09
You couldn't just respond to what I said  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Apache --- Malware gateway to the world  xuniL_z | 04/14/09
@hasta  Badgered | 04/15/09
Apache: Best webserver around !!!  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/15/09
Print out the result, hasta  Ole Man | 04/15/09
@xunil_z  daengbo | 04/15/09
@Daengbo  xuniL_z | 04/16/09
Stop crybabying xuniL_z  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/16/09
Is that all you have? Child-like insults? Forget answering..it was .....  xuniL_z | 04/20/09
You're absolutely not correct...  MGP2 | 04/13/09
You would expect....  deefburger | 04/14/09
Cite  daengbo | 04/15/09
Not true  Chad_z | 04/14/09
Aww, how cute... he is using grade 5 math!!  NonZealot | 04/14/09
So  daengbo | 04/16/09
re: So  Badgered | 04/16/09
@Zealot: Your Math is a little rusty, you really SHOULD learn some  InAction Man | 04/16/09
So you aren't saying  mtgarden | 04/13/09
Good point  wolf_z | 04/13/09
That is a very good point  GuidingLight | 04/13/09
There really is on "more" or "less"...  jasonp@... | 04/13/09
BS  daengbo | 04/16/09
threat legacy makes win7 a non starter  Linux Geek | 04/13/09
I wouldnt pick up Linux for its Legacy!!  micks_tricks | 04/13/09
The Legacy  deefburger | 04/14/09
What a load of crap!  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Linux has good legacy  codeguy007 | 04/14/09
Windows? Single-user?  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/14/09
XP, not 2000  SpikeyMike | 04/14/09
Way to go SpikeyMikey.  xuniL_z | 04/14/09
Fail.  nix_hed | 04/14/09
Redefining multi-user  akulkis | 04/15/09
Alkultis  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
Epic Fail - Change your handle.  SpikeyMike | 04/15/09
Nice rebuttal SpikeyMikey......and I'll partially agree...  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
Why not look up the definition?  Ole Man | 04/15/09
@xunil_z  daengbo | 04/16/09
@Daengbo. LOL. Yeah, it's a security mechanism.  xuniL_z | 04/16/09
Please list/name the existing legacy threats you mention  de-void | 04/13/09
Microsofts perspective(maybe mine)  micks_tricks | 04/13/09
I think you got it right...  ibarskiy@... | 04/13/09
only one problem, cross platform software...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Solution  daengbo | 04/16/09
Excellent perspective ... kudos  mckenzl | 04/14/09
You talk as if windows were a bunker. It isn't!  InAction Man | 04/14/09
old argument  tmsbrdrs | 04/24/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
likewise, security or not...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Thats true  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
Which is the point that many *N*X fans fail to recognise (see above)  de-void | 04/13/09
RE: Which is the point that many *N*X fans fail to recognise (see above)  Sephoroth | 04/14/09
Bulls#!t  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
webserver are not desktops  rtk | 04/14/09
Back on this again, are we?  SpikeyMike | 04/14/09
again, webservers are not desktops.  rtk | 04/14/09
More like...  SpikeyMike | 04/15/09
Ok spikeymkike  rtk | 04/15/09
Logs  daengbo | 04/16/09
One thing that makes Windows easier to attack is  hkommedal | 04/14/09
More Secure ? Manure !  Alan Smithie | 04/13/09
More Secure ? Manure  GAXXIS | 04/13/09
Studies show Linux lowers blood pressure.  joe.smetona@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  nilotpal_c | 04/13/09
Very nice post. (nt)  ye | 04/13/09
You should take over the job of most Zdnet bloggers. They're all useless...  transposeIT | 04/13/09
true, microsofts COO isn't likely to say "windows 7 has lax security2  stevey_d | 04/14/09
Somebody give this man a link...  SpikeyMike | 04/14/09
True, despite the ignorant protests..  Bozzer | 04/13/09
re:True, despite the ignorant protests..  n0neXn0ne | 04/13/09
Why?  Sleeper Service | 04/13/09
Because it's wrong!  InAction Man | 04/13/09
BecauseISaySo(TM)  Azathothh | 04/14/09
Can't argue with logic like that!  Badgered | 04/14/09
Myth: There's safety in small numbers  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Thank you...  Sleeper Service | 04/15/09
@Sleepingin Service: Could you please specify the points being missed?  InAction Man | 04/15/09
Yes, thank me happy  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/15/09
InAction Man can you answer something.  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
@zunil: I'm starting to regret being too harsh on you  InAction Man | 04/15/09
@IM - Too many to list?  MGP2 | 04/15/09
InAction Man. Thanks for not failing.  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
@zunil: YOU ARE WRONG pal  InAction Man | 04/16/09
Silly InAction Man  xuniL_z | 04/16/09
@zunil: google site:talkback.zdnet.com. This is getting surreal  InAction Man | 04/16/09
re: True, despite the ignorant protests..  Cosmo54 | 04/13/09
lol @ "facts"  jasonp@... | 04/13/09
The only hard fact I can see here is M$ shills denying reality  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Arguing MS security isn't as easy as it used to be.  joe.smetona@... | 04/14/09
Just . . .  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
better yet  rtk | 04/14/09
Which reality is that?  MGP2 | 04/15/09
What are you up to? Fool!  InAction Man | 04/15/09
Just telling it like it is. Chump!  MGP2 | 04/15/09
The MS haters can b*tch all they want, but facts are facts.  d.the.duck | 04/13/09
I always love this argument  frgough | 04/13/09
your forgetting one important concept  pcguy777 | 04/13/09
Some kid hacked Twitter just because it was too easy and he was bored  InAction Man | 04/13/09
lol  rtk | 04/13/09
Java scripts run on all platforms.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
is that why my wifes xp system became so loaded with adware  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
No, that would be because.....  xuniL_z | 04/14/09
You have to know if a page is safe BEFORE you see it?  akulkis | 04/15/09
You're forgetting . . .  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
I think that windows is perfectly secure  sparkkkey | 04/13/09
Or the network is down,  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Lol  stanleyga2 | 04/13/09
RE: True, despite the ignorant protests  d.the.duck | 04/13/09
Re; Do you have any evidence of that?  hkommedal | 04/14/09
I have one word for you...  spatzer | 04/14/09
It doesn't matter  epcraig | 04/13/09
Re; why should malware authors target anything else?  hkommedal | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  stanleyga2 | 04/13/09
OS security is not Apple Pie  frgough | 04/13/09
Interesting...  stanleyga2 | 04/13/09
The assumption on the drivers license  frgough | 04/13/09
Apache vs. IIS  frgough | 04/13/09
This again?  ye | 04/13/09
Simple  frgough | 04/13/09
re: Simple  n0neXn0ne | 04/13/09
It's not my job to support your claim.  ye | 04/13/09
What? You can't provide us with one of those lists with thousands of lines?  InAction Man | 04/13/09
ye will have to see some links  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Or just go to secunia.com  JoeMama_z | 04/13/09
False  daengbo | 04/16/09
It depends how the word is used  GuidingLight | 04/13/09
Who says that they can accomplish little?  Lerianis | 04/13/09
a few years ago, when linux dominated the web server  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Now tell us, what OS was vulnerable to the rootkit?  InAction Man | 04/14/09
redhat 4 IIRC (nt)  brokndodge@... | 04/14/09
Can you identify the rootkit involved?  InAction Man | 04/14/09
So the exploit was targeting windows after all?  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Re; newbies don't know to do that, tho.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
I was speaking hypotheticlly  GuidingLight | 04/14/09
Re; no one ever DREAMED the internet would become as popular as it is now.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
Well maybe not you MS fanboys  akulkis | 04/15/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  atari_z | 04/13/09
Instead of  honeymonster | 04/13/09
so i have text based config files...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Well...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/14/09
Re; libraries are also used by windows does not make it more insecure.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  rmlounsbury@... | 04/13/09
Might.  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
Re; Yeah I'd be going after Windows too.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
Every OS needs patches, but Windows is the only one that needs AV apps.  pjotr123 | 04/13/09
....  Badgered | 04/13/09
Care to detail for us how UNIX is inherently more secure?  ye | 04/13/09
The major reason is no longer valid (mostly)  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
That's not an inherent weakness of XP though.  ye | 04/13/09
All true, however one must know this has to be done  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
I agree with most of what you say and would add the following:  ye | 04/13/09
Gotta love that definition of security on windows.  akulkis | 04/15/09
IE8 has the best site filtering available......  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
Re; It is a configuration issue. Yes it is.  hkommedal | 04/14/09
Of course...  akulkis | 04/15/09
Care to detail for us how UNIX is inherently less secure?  InAction Man | 04/13/09
He never claimed anything  micks_tricks | 04/13/09
You must be new here. You clearly haven't read his posts.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
You must be new here. You clearly haven't read his posts.  GAXXIS | 04/13/09
Oh, I almost forgot. Thanks for another worthy post.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
let me guess, the irony is lost on you. (nt)  rtk | 04/13/09
And thank you to you too!  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Read this and be enlightened...  pjotr123 | 04/13/09
obscurity...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
Simple...  deaf_e_kate | 04/15/09
You've been shown where the water is...  SpikeyMike | 04/15/09
Ah, you got backwards  honeymonster | 04/13/09
The only reason for ACL's  akulkis | 04/15/09
Are you sure? Why does Apple encourage you...  xuniL_z | 04/13/09
not entirely accurate...  brokndodge@... | 04/13/09
I've been using Unix since the 1980's  akulkis | 04/15/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  cnfrisch | 04/13/09
So I take it you work for MS  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
Oh, yeah  Jeremy W | 04/13/09
Breakdown  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt is official M$ marketing  perspectoff | 04/13/09
PWN2OWN removes marketshare from the argument  NonZealot | 04/13/09
In 1-2-3 seconds ...  n0neXn0ne | 04/13/09
And could you name ONE sponsor of the event?  john@... | 04/13/09
....  n0neXn0ne | 04/13/09
Apparently Charlie Miller uses a Mac  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Ah yes, the Apple upgrade treadmill!!  NonZealot | 04/13/09
Ah NZ ignores SUBSTANCE of my post: C. Miller says "MACS more safe NOW"  Davewrite | 04/13/09
OS X safety relies on the goodwill of malware authors  NonZealot | 04/13/09
The word is BREEDING GROUND, PCs are a breeding ground  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Use a Mac, drive up the price of exploits!!  NonZealot | 04/13/09
but you guys are always saying macs have so LITTLE market share!  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Miller ex-NSA security analyst, PW2Own hacker says "safer to USE A MAC!"nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Talking TANKS? A PC is like a Panzer III at KURSK, survival NOT GOOD! happy nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Watch 100s of VIRUS/MALWARE T-34'S hit the PC Pz III, WHAM WHAM!!! nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Guess my PCs have been made of better stuff then!  NonZealot | 04/13/09
NZ like the battered Panzer guys you better WELD more plates on! happy nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Survival is fine when attackers using spitballs.  NonZealot | 04/13/09
Fact is they are NOT using spitballs! If spitballs why total FEAR?  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Note the word "safe" and not the word "secure".  ye | 04/13/09
Yep. see the DAVE is HONEST, posts what Miller says Pro and Con -nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Glad you agree Windows is more secure. (nt)  ye | 04/13/09
More secure but LESS SAFE!  Davewrite | 04/13/09
With that said what point are you trying to make?  ye | 04/13/09
My POINT? Like Charlie Miller says to be safe "GET a MAC"! nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
And MS says to buy Vista to be safe  NonZealot | 04/13/09
NZ Vista!Ha in the new attack ads on Mac, MS doesn't even say the 'V' word!  Davewrite | 04/13/09
@Davewrite: The problem with that recommendation is:  ye | 04/13/09
@ Ye, by the time happens future OSX (like snow leopard)will be out  Davewrite | 04/13/09
@Davewrite: I agree. OS X is secure. Just not as secure as Windows.  ye | 04/13/09
Dave, in the billion dollar.....  xuniL_z | 04/13/09
Hey DaveRewrite  MGP2 | 04/14/09
@MGP2 Win XP you're quoting a 8 year old OS, SAD  Davewrite | 04/14/09
@xuniL_z Mojave? "Vista Doesn't Suck as Much as You Thought ads?"  Davewrite | 04/14/09
@DaveWrong - Ah, so it's inferrrrrrred  MGP2 | 04/14/09
Ok Dave. YOu win.  xuniL_z | 04/14/09
Safe owns secure!  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Agreed. nt  ashdude | 04/13/09
RIGHT, a PC tank is not safe in a PC malware Nuclear War -NT  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Right, and a Mac Tank is not safe in a Mac malware nuclear War - NT  xuniL_z | 04/14/09
@xuniL_z BUT there ISN'T a mac malware war, seen a virus infected OsX mac?  Davewrite | 04/14/09
Dave you are right, with Mac it's chemical warfare....  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
@Dave, Your last statement pretty much reveals your true nature.  xuniL_z | 04/13/09
didn't read you very long post, just repeat Miller said GET MAC! nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Wonderful! You managed to say a whole lot of nothing and all at once.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
you say used a mac didn't like it, I used PCs don't like them, so?  Davewrite | 04/13/09
What you call a "resource hog" is  xuniL_z | 04/13/09
nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Ah, it looked so nice...  MGP2 | 04/13/09
Get real  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Was W.O.P.R. running Windows? (nt)  ye | 04/13/09
War Games  Erroneous | 04/13/09
No Windows or Macs in '83! nt  djchandler | 04/13/09
@djchandler  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Linux is a kernel, not an OS  T1Oracle | 04/13/09
Yet in these PWN2OWN-type challenges  Michael Kelly | 04/13/09
Then fault the test, not the kernel  T1Oracle | 04/14/09
Secure vs Safe  micks_tricks | 04/13/09
I think you summed up the state of desktop security...  JoeMama_z | 04/13/09
Demand is low because there are too many hurdles to overcome  InAction Man | 04/14/09
you're half right (better than usual)  rtk | 04/14/09
You really should try to learn a little about XSS  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Twitter  rtk | 04/14/09
Nope, it's not a windoze vulnerability  InAction Man | 04/14/09
ZDNet can't read?  crazlunatic | 04/13/09
Try not to be so gullible  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Alien space ship lands in Washington D.C.  kozmcrae | 04/13/09
They changed.....  Erroneous | 04/13/09
What I find odd is...  JT82 | 04/13/09
Wash. Post: Conficker hits 700 pcs in University and hospitals  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Spokesperson says 'It can do bad things to Windows, macs not affected'  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Or maybe...  Erroneous | 04/13/09
If a U with 3 hospitals with $$$ to spend on security gets hit...  Davewrite | 04/13/09
The university...  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Your point then is that U's should also get Macs!  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Cost of patching....  Erroneous | 04/13/09
@Davewrite: Just stop already.  MalachiV | 04/13/09
@Davewrite  djchandler | 04/13/09
nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
@Davewrite: Great response "nt". Couldn't think?  Scrat | 04/14/09
@scrat you're just another empty vessel  Davewrite | 04/14/09
@MalachiV User behavior is Not so important when threats are minimal  Davewrite | 04/14/09
Davewrite, I have no problem with people expressing their opinion...  MalachiV | 04/16/09
Who cares? Who want's it? Maybe an MS Certified tech but do you expect? NT  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 04/13/09
Ah, there's the hater...  MGP2 | 04/13/09
"Mirror" that's the missing word  InAction Man | 04/13/09
But at least it's not like your...  MGP2 | 04/13/09
You stole it from me, remember?  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Now that I know what it does for you...  MGP2 | 04/13/09
If the U was using Vista SP2 they would not be affected  Aussie_Troll | 04/13/09
Relative "Updatedness" of Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac desktops?  daboochmeister | 04/13/09
Wot no Rubberduck Rabidson ?  Alan Smithie | 04/13/09
Nope! He's much better now that he gained an extra "r"  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Safer? Pc like a armored hmmv in a warzone, Macs like a BMW in Switzerland  Davewrite | 04/13/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  Felix Derzhinsky | 04/13/09
I think we are all missing the point  Alan Smithie | 04/13/09
Windows 7 the "most secure OS on the planet"  JDThompson | 04/13/09
84% of IT pros don't plan to upgrade to Windows 7 this year  no_zd_user_name | 04/13/09
100% of IT pros don't know if Win7 will be out this year  xuniL_z | 04/13/09
Since more exploits will be found by hackers and antivirus makers...  HypnoToad | 04/13/09
*nix would be just as bad if it had the same market share as Windows  d.the.duck | 04/13/09
House of Cards  brian-cross@... | 04/13/09
Other than the fact you are wrong with everything you wrote...  NonZealot | 04/13/09
Re:  brian-cross@... | 04/13/09
Point by point annihilation  NonZealot | 04/13/09
What a pity...  zkiwi | 04/13/09
Vista is secure by default. No "effort" needed as with others. NT  xuniL_z | 04/15/09
Self-annihilation to be precise.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Last Word  Erroneous | 04/13/09
I don't think Brian understands UAC  de-void | 04/13/09
Some thoughts about escalation dialogs  DannyO_0x98 | 04/13/09
Brian - you need to understand access control  de-void | 04/13/09
Nope..  jamesrayg | 04/13/09
The same history of these blog...  ivan.neva@... | 08/06/09
Confusing security and popularity contest???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/13/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  The Rifleman | 04/13/09
Actually, I have to agree...  jonj@... | 04/13/09
PC weenies here are like BIO HAZARD techs, "JUST TAKE PRECAUTIONS!"  Davewrite | 04/13/09
If they got.....  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Agreed  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
Last word. Windows is exploitable because it is both insecure and unsafe.  InAction Man | 04/13/09
Had to be done  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
Hmmm  NStalnecker | 04/13/09
Ha! happy nt  Davewrite | 04/13/09
Sooner or later  jonj@... | 04/13/09
"macs will be popular enough", another admits growing Mac share! happy  Davewrite | 04/14/09
Whatever  Whocares5698 | 04/14/09
Worn out by my irrefutable logic I see. NT  Davewrite | 04/14/09
And when someone uses a free anti-virus/firewall product...  MGP2 | 04/14/09
How much is your TIME worth?reading your posts Probably not much but  Davewrite | 04/14/09
As usual, Dave,...  MGP2 | 04/15/09
Microsoft's "white papers"  obvio.capitao@... | 04/13/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  Bilmekanikeren | 04/13/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  ebmoore610@... | 04/13/09
wow the abm'er are out in force...  JoeMama_z | 04/13/09
Just bring up....  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Can we build the Windows list?  Bruizer | 04/14/09
Never heard of those. Could you please show us the windoze virus list?  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Actually, the fact that the threats to Win is pages long makes a point.  MalachiV | 04/14/09
YOU are giving Mac users a bad name  InAction Man | 04/14/09
@Inaction Man  MalachiV | 04/14/09
You're too naïve.  InAction Man | 04/14/09
(Sigh)  MalachiV | 04/14/09
Ah yes...  MGP2 | 04/14/09
You've seen virus infected PCs , Ever see a infected OsX mac?  Davewrite | 04/14/09
Not that it matters....  JoeMama_z | 04/14/09
I think Vista has a better security model than either Linux or OS X  Bruizer | 04/13/09
Exactly. PCs are like a guy in a flak jacket walking in a minefield  Davewrite | 04/13/09
A moment?  Erroneous | 04/13/09
Not a moment? you mean it takes a LONG time to patch windows? huh  Davewrite | 04/13/09
the patch has been out for months  rtk | 04/13/09
Yes, they sure tried.  InAction Man | 04/14/09
You don't understand what I'm saying do you?  Davewrite | 04/14/09
The windoze security model is a disaster permanently waiting to happen  InAction Man | 04/14/09
Dance, Dave! Dance!  MGP2 | 04/14/09
@MGP2 as expected your contribution is not worth much  Davewrite | 04/14/09
As usual Dave, you do nothing but change your argument  MGP2 | 04/15/09
@mpg2: Samba, tango, cha cha cha, salsa, bolero, you name it...  InAction Man | 04/15/09
@Inaction & Dave - Dance along to the "Inaction Man" song with DaveRewrite  MGP2 | 04/15/09
Vista's achillies heel, all Windows, until it changes.  TripleII | 04/13/09
Security or Safety?  Open_Sauce | 04/14/09
Exactly the point  Ian.Betteridge | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  pico_D | 04/14/09
I Agree With Your Major Points, BUT...  dunn@... | 04/14/09
Microsoft Marketing Mode  KeeBaud | 04/14/09
wait a minute... safest and most reliable... that's a cut and paste  stevey_d | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  varick | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  terryzx | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  doting.daddy | 04/14/09
Pwn2Own = fud  magallanes | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  Ian.Betteridge | 04/14/09
What the heck!  bhylak | 04/14/09
Correct  Ian.Betteridge | 04/16/09
MS has remote flaws and built in backdoors by design  nuno@... | 04/14/09
Does it still require AV? If so, then it's not secure.  joe.smetona@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  deefburger | 04/14/09
no flash for me  mswift@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  kwhitehead@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  doting.daddy | 04/14/09
Get a clue  rag@... | 04/14/09
Nobody bothers  honeymonster | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  Logical One | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  rag@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  jestewart1 | 04/14/09
Naaaa!! This is bull*hit...  EricDeBerg | 04/14/09
BS  rag@... | 04/14/09
re: BS  Badgered | 04/14/09
FUD Time Again  rag@... | 04/14/09
Idiot  rag@... | 04/14/09
Idiot  Badgered | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  mike acker | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  rdavidd@... | 04/14/09
Ubuntu linux  Ubuntunotvista | 04/14/09
Ubuntu Linux  rdavidd@... | 04/14/09
something is wrong with U if u say windows is safer than linux and osX  Ubuntunotvista | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  tiagara | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7more secure than Linux  jk6792 | 04/14/09
Best OS is ...  frj111@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  deowll | 04/14/09
You're seriously out of your realm of qualification here...  Spiritusindomit@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  x3dre@... | 04/14/09
Meh  athaki | 04/14/09
Name calling only shows you have no truth  RedVeg | 04/14/09
Blackhat proved it's a fact...  Narg | 04/14/09
I've got to agree...  DB_z | 04/14/09
Completely re-architected Windows?  scott1329 | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  bb_apptix | 04/14/09
3900 voters here: Has Anybody Seen a Virus Infected OsX Mac?  Davewrite | 04/14/09
Pre OS X viruses  dheady@... | 04/14/09
You didn't look very hard  Erroneous | 04/14/09
But have you ACTUALLY seen a virus infected OsX mac? Guess Not.  Davewrite | 04/14/09
thanks for posting. interesting info - happy NT  Davewrite | 04/14/09
The from the same company who said Vista was unhackable  d.the.duck | 04/14/09
Windows uses NT core and is not a single user OS.  progon | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  tahoe_blue | 04/14/09
Is it possible to make a secure web browser?  progon | 04/14/09
When was the last time you found a virus on your machine?  softwareFlunky | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  samofdetroit | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  sporkfighter | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  dheady@... | 04/14/09
Seven Step Process? Jump, Jump, Jump  joe.smetona@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  ceh4702 | 04/14/09
And as long as...  djchandler | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  estebs1978 | 04/14/09
It Just doesn't Matter though Does it  symissy | 04/14/09
So why is MS attacking the Mac in their ads?  djchandler | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  swed.dabest | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  dw.needham@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  Atari800 | 04/14/09
Answer = None of the above  computer_freak_8 | 04/14/09
STFU people!!!! the most secure OS is:  boriscougar@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  herwin08 | 04/14/09
The main problem in my view...  melekali | 04/14/09
It has to be usable too!  norm.mcmillan@... | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  stringmun | 04/14/09
So, all you haters....  Crestview | 04/14/09
The truth, Linux is immune to 90%+ of the viruses that are out their today  Ole Man | 04/14/09
Windows more secure such garbage  ZekeComa | 04/14/09
I Like and Use Windows, But...  jpr75_z | 04/14/09
Facts don't lie, and Vista is the leader in security... (See reference)  thenetavenger | 04/14/09
But who's facts are they?  awasson@... | 04/14/09
A Follow up then...  thenetavenger | 04/15/09
Damn he made a funny  ebrahim_mafooz | 04/14/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  jimk_z | 04/14/09
I agree with jimk_z  tinystech@... | 04/15/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  atari8bit@... | 04/15/09
Didn't They Say This About Micro$haft Wasta?  drprod@... | 04/15/09
Safest and Most secure are not equivalent  notsofast | 04/15/09
Interview with an Adware Author Jan 12th, 2009  Ole Man | 04/15/09
General purpose = insecure  wellduh | 04/19/09
Say Adrian, are you the censor or is it your bosses?  whisperycat | 05/01/09
@whisperycat  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/01/09
Thanks for the response, Adrian (NT)  whisperycat | 05/05/09
Vista is NOT more secure  apexwebmaster | 05/06/09
@Adrian Kingsley-Hughes  Chrissd | 05/13/09
RE: Vista/7 more secure than Linux and Mac OS X  nessrapp | 08/06/09
No Anti-virus software , I wish you luck  rupaa62 | 08/06/09
It may be until...hackers get their copy  mikifinaz1@... | 08/06/09
The single biggest Linux security flaw  supermadman | 08/14/09

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