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May 23rd, 2007

Three more things that the Linux community doesn't get

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 7:12 am

Categories: Linux, My Linux Experience

Tags: Linux, Apple Macintosh, Operating System, Linux Community, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

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The response to the Five crucial things the Linux community doesn’t understand about the average computer user post I made the other day was, well overwhelming. With some of you I think that the post rung a bell, while with others it must have touched a nerve. I’m pretty sure that getting over 750 TalkBack comments in a couple of days is some kind of record here at ZDNet and just in case there’s an award, I’m already writing my speech! :-)

Choosing a suitable Linux distro is a bit like the uninitiated making a trip to Starbucks and expecting to be able to order a plain simple cup of coffeeAnyway, after wading through some of the comments (I don’t know how some of you managed to keep up with the conversation in real time … you deserve some kind of award too) I’ve realized that I missed three more points about regular PC users that some in the Linux community (the more vocal members perhaps?) just don’t get.

1 - The Mac effect

If consumers want a safe way to experience the benefits of running a Unix system, then they have the option of bypassing all the driver and application hassles that Linux offers and choose the Mac route. Sure, you have to pay for it (and pay a premium at that) and it’s closed source but the average consumer with money burning a hole in their pocket doesn’t give a hoot whether the OS is open source, closed source something in-between. What most users want is a bit of kit they can just push one button to get it going and then start using it. Mac offers this. While Linux offers to remove security worries, Mac does exactly the same while at the same time removing the uncertainty that things won’t work.

Choosing Mac over Linux also eliminates the complexity associated with choice. Choosing a suitable Linux distro is a bit like the uninitiated making a trip to Starbucks and expecting to be able to order a plain simple cup of coffee – you quickly realize that life isn’t that simple and you need to step out of the queue and do a lot of learning before you walk up to the counter again. With Mac the choice is simply one OS. Simple.

Apple also manages to add two other ingredients to the Mac OS that I find lacking in Linux distros - The Mac OS is perceived as being cool and sexy. Even Ubuntu, which is the best Linux distro I’ve used doesn’t match up to the Mac OS on either of these points.

Mac is the perfect example that people are willing to pay good money for peace of mind. The premium price that Apple charges for products sets a subconcious value on the quality and service that the consumer feels they can expect. Free just can’t compete with that.

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Trying ain't doing  Master Dingo | 05/30/07
Windows is fine for kiddies  Ole Man | 06/03/07
I thought this debate was about 'things we don't get', not have we done yet  odubtaig | 06/04/07
Thus, I still continue to use Windows.  Grayson Peddie | 05/23/07
if it make you happy  tombalablomba | 05/23/07
WIndows Live?!  Stuka | 05/23/07
Your advocating for Linux won't work for me.  Grayson Peddie | 05/23/07
I didn't  Stuka | 05/23/07
pathetic, to say the least.  Monkey_MCSE | 05/23/07
Another proving #2 reason.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
Your insult is good!  Grayson Peddie | 05/23/07
Wiped off?! (NT)  Stuka | 05/23/07
Must be a new Microsoft term  Ole Man | 05/25/07
You give Windows User a bad name  voska | 05/23/07
Another reason ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
So?  Ole Man | 05/25/07
Why the need to rant foolishly?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
Good Question!  Ole Man | 05/25/07
Really now?  Duke E. Love | 05/24/07
poor grayson...  Monkey_MCSE | 05/23/07
Thank you for playing.  Grayson Peddie | 05/23/07
Reason #2 proven to be true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
Retraining  omega_mann | 05/23/07
Vista will require retraining too  Tsu Dho Nimh | 05/24/07
Because you don't need to retrain on applications  ReadernewCanvas | 05/24/07
And that doesn't happen with Windows apps? Yeah, right.  jthorell@... | 05/24/07
Plea$e $top u$ing the money $ign!  butler360 | 05/24/07
Why?  Ole Man | 05/24/07
Good point  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Could this be the reason?  Ole Man | 05/25/07
Logical conclusion ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
Oh really?  Confused by religion | 05/23/07
Just a different stage ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
That laughter you hear  jacarter3 | 05/23/07
Eh?  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
8 things in 2 days?  ruped24 | 05/23/07
Real World  combrink | 05/23/07
the point is, you can count + 1 til the cows come home...  ruped24 | 05/23/07
more excuses  ruped24 | 05/23/07
Some of his points are valid  Freebird54 | 05/23/07
Linux ins the machine room is one thing ...  mwagner@... | 05/24/07
Nonsense  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
How do we distinguish?  Ole Man | 05/25/07
maybe you're underestimating the impact of Vista on the marketplace  stevey_d | 05/30/07
I like Linux *because* it's geeky  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
Agreed ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
A similar situation  Freebird54 | 05/23/07
Free tech support a reason to switch.  enduser_z | 05/23/07
You've summed it up  tombalablomba | 05/23/07
My Linux problem  teqjack@... | 05/23/07
could you be more specific?  tombalablomba | 05/23/07
which app which distro  eric__m | 05/23/07
My problem is  tombalablomba | 05/24/07
Ah!! The joys of "so called" dependency hell.  Duke E. Love | 05/24/07
Unrelated to the blog.  enduser_z | 05/24/07
I was responding to a post and not the blog  Duke E. Love | 05/24/07
He didn't change the context.  enduser_z | 05/24/07
You are absolutely right  Duke E. Love | 05/24/07
In other words  Ole Man | 05/24/07
Yep  Duke E. Love | 05/25/07
In your dreams  Ole Man | 05/26/07
Thinking the same thing  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Package Mgmt Systems, repositories.  enduser_z | 05/23/07
Me Too!  cls@... | 05/23/07
dependency hell  eric__m | 05/23/07
punter  ruped24 | 05/23/07
Rather odd  Freebird54 | 05/23/07
To say the least.  enduser_z | 05/23/07
Sorry you had such problems  Ole Man | 05/26/07
Click  D. T. Schmitz | 05/23/07
Power management and Wireless means Linux is horrible on laptops.  fauigerzigerk | 05/23/07
That was NOT my experience  jacarter3 | 05/23/07
Yes, it is a Real Problem  mejohnsn | 05/29/07
Apps? Easy as 1, 2, 3  lostinlodos | 05/23/07
I guess that's one way to look at it.  lutherlarry | 05/24/07
Thoughts?..Just one....  linux for me | 05/23/07
Did you forget the link?  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Adrian OS X is not completely closed source  mrlinux | 05/23/07
Depending on what platform ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
A lot of passion -  Master Dingo | 05/23/07
Have to agree on the Mac issue ...  George Mitchell | 05/23/07
Of course it takes time to learn KDE and Gnome  nmrtian | 05/23/07
Worth repeating about MS ecosystem ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
What rubbish...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
See what I mean ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
Only if your point was wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
Never argue with an idiot...  Confused by religion | 05/23/07
Ouch ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
Well, considering  lutherlarry | 05/24/07
Answer a fool according to his folly...  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
That's not what he was talking about  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
You're correct, but ..  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
What rubbish indeed!  Freebird54 | 05/23/07
Rubbish? What Apps?  lostinlodos | 06/01/07
Let me get this straight  Badgered | 05/23/07
Well ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
Let me translate your post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
You're still looking at this  Badgered | 05/23/07
OK  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
It doesn't  Badgered | 05/24/07
As I wrote to Cobra  John L. Ries | 05/24/07
I don't think you read the whole thing...  Freebird54 | 05/23/07
No, I read it  Badgered | 05/24/07
What he meant was (I think)  Ole Man | 05/24/07
I agree  Badgered | 05/29/07
Quite a few times  Ole Man | 06/02/07
Part of the solution ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Not too bright?  toadlife | 05/23/07
heh  CobraA1 | 05/23/07
Usage vs advocacy  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
Answers  CobraA1 | 05/23/07
In which case...  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
Yup  CobraA1 | 05/23/07
Semi true but mostly retarded...  Chippolus | 05/24/07
Kids, Games, Simple networking  kushko | 05/23/07
Access network filesystems...  mrlinux | 05/23/07
Yo, Adrian!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/23/07
Good idea  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Geeky? Windows created the "Geek Squad"  cyber_rigger@... | 05/23/07
When did MS buy out CompUSA?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/23/07
People in glass houses ...  MisterMiester | 05/23/07
Do you really expect him to know that?  B.O.F.H. | 05/23/07
For the metaphor challenged  cyber_rigger@... | 05/23/07
Best Buy...  macoafi | 06/04/07
Some "Tech journalist" out of touch with reality...  LazLong | 05/23/07
"Well said, accurate and to the point!"  Ole Man | 05/26/07
Well said, accurate and to the point!  netzd | 05/23/07
Well you're right about Macs  maldain | 05/23/07
myth buster  ruped24 | 05/23/07
Agreed, but you still miss my talkback on the last article  CobraA1 | 05/23/07
and M$ listenes  ruped24 | 05/23/07
Some truth to this  John L. Ries | 05/23/07
Adrian, I think you are finally understanding...  Cornhead | 05/23/07
Want 750 more posts?  TonyMcS | 05/23/07
As compared to Windoze sucks?  Ole Man | 05/23/07
Too geeky? You ain't seen fsdb yet.  kraterz | 05/23/07
Geez are there any good points to Linux?  XJRider | 05/23/07
The answer is 'yes'. If linux is so bad and marginal, why all these blogs?  stevey_d | 05/30/07
On the whole  brokencrystal | 05/24/07
Desktop Linux is there depending on the function  tooCanad | 05/24/07
$$$$$  cheesyone | 06/05/07
Why People Don't Switch to Linux  celctictony | 05/24/07
punter  ruped24 | 05/24/07
Java's listed in Synaptic...  KWierso | 05/24/07
other reasons...  patibulo | 05/24/07
I'm NOW a Mac  editcorp | 05/24/07
Common Impressions of Linux Users  Dr_Zinj | 05/24/07
Why some Linux peeps will NEVER get it  dchase@... | 05/24/07
It's only an OS, it should be invisible to users  persia | 05/24/07
8 Reasons are only 5  dimonic | 05/24/07
Read "The UNIX Haters Handbook"  gerhart | 05/24/07
RE: Read "The UNIX Haters Handbook"  GreyGeek | 05/24/07
Chapter 7 of the Handbook vs. Linux  green[ | 05/24/07
Yes it is out of date, but ...  gerhart | 05/25/07
running older MS software...  ruped24 | 05/25/07
Elegence??  paul.bouchard@... | 05/24/07
8 Reasons are only 5  dimonic | 05/24/07
Confirmation of what I thought I knew!  boxman1 | 05/24/07
One More Thing  dimonic | 05/24/07
The OS Doesn't matter  theoldman59 | 05/24/07
The points are VALID. The idea is flawed.  Trent Black | 05/24/07
Too Geeky  vcjohns | 05/24/07
Even more to recommend Mac as an option  fmindlin | 05/24/07
Reasons the linux community comes over as "agressive"  sjaaxken | 05/24/07
Well,...  mustang_z | 05/24/07
Wasting time?  Linux User 147560 | 05/24/07
Glad i've got my hip boots on now  Ole Man | 05/24/07
Linux users are bullies!  green[ | 05/24/07
Preposterous!  Ole Man | 06/03/07
Bullied on the internet...  butler360 | 05/24/07
being hostile  sjaaxken | 05/26/07
Microsoft vs Open source comedy  tserra@... | 05/24/07
nice try  flyingace | 05/24/07
Linux needs a common way to install apps  uncledonnyboy | 05/24/07
Linux and Windows Shells  nydas | 05/24/07
I've used all 3 OSes in story  okeefe@... | 05/24/07
Linu$ Torvald$  butler360 | 05/24/07
ASK THE COMPUTER STORE TO SHOW YOU LINUX RUNNING FIRST  BALTHOR | 05/24/07
Ask to see LINUX runing the software YOU need  Hempman | 05/24/07
Nonsense.  enduser_z | 05/24/07
Really?  Linux User 147560 | 05/24/07
Yes!  mustang_z | 05/24/07
If Linux wants to win the hearts and minds  Apache19 | 05/24/07
Wow!  okeefe@... | 05/24/07
At least the caveman would have a valid reason for resisting change  D. W. Bierbaum | 05/24/07
Very good point  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
MacOS does have an open-source listing called Darwin. you have to agree to  wessonjoe | 05/24/07
I was just saying that to McAfee  Hempman | 05/24/07
Linux users must not understand  wiestika | 05/24/07
You don't have to understand to use Ubuntu Linux  D. W. Bierbaum | 05/24/07
Ubuntu has better tech support than windows....  carbonred | 05/24/07
Typing an emial is not the same as editing a video  Hempman | 05/24/07
What is your point about photoshop and Avid Liquid?  D. W. Bierbaum | 05/24/07
Eh?  KWierso | 05/24/07
Put down the bong.  enduser_z | 05/25/07
I'd be lost with photoshop, but I've spent time learning GIMP  stevey_d | 05/30/07
Mac NOT entirely closed source...  Resuna | 05/24/07
What apps does the average PC user use?  steveo_kenevo | 05/24/07
The Dumbing Down of America  etkinsd@... | 05/24/07
Americans are lazy now...  Linux User 147560 | 05/25/07
It's not a generalization?  Badgered | 05/25/07
tRu dat  ruped24 | 05/25/07
You're right  lutherlarry | 05/24/07
from the other side  ruped24 | 05/24/07
Good Link!  Ole Man | 05/24/07
Thanks for the link ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
2 things the Linux community does get  crystala1@... | 05/24/07
For Those who may have not yet seen the LXer rebuttal.  LazLong | 05/24/07
Think I'll have to reply to that post next week ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Things the Linux Community doesn't get  wheelerc@... | 05/24/07
The benefits of being tri-system  mikifinaz1@... | 05/24/07
Incentive?  epcraig | 05/24/07
Human Interfaces  stomfi@... | 05/24/07
More Misundersdtandings  LKEEL | 05/24/07
punter  ruped24 | 05/24/07
The one thing Windows users don't get about Linux community  ppyo | 05/24/07
What I do get  deadowl | 05/24/07
Pity the real M$ killer was lost to mismanagement  NZJester | 05/24/07
Geeky and some is the problem. KDE what?  pintree3 | 05/24/07
Three more things  chrisne4@... | 05/24/07
Three more things  chrisne4@... | 05/25/07
Geeky?  djchandler | 05/25/07
The Mac is perceived as cool and sexy...  steverush | 05/25/07
No geek  Rhodie | 05/25/07
its not the 'system', it's the 'victim'.  BoGoWo | 05/25/07
Use it or lose it  I. Kidya Knott | 05/28/07
Linux being Geeky and complicated  PhilM | 05/25/07
Yeah, Gnome2 is great  stevey_d | 05/30/07
Why I won't touch Linux  qoc1166@... | 05/25/07
why not still use CPM?  ruped24 | 05/25/07
"terms that are pure gibberish to me"  Ole Man | 05/25/07
nothing for you to learn  firepages | 05/26/07
Linux  fastcopycenter@... | 05/25/07
"Microsoft's police state"?  Ole Man | 05/25/07
Failure to Communicate...  LazLong | 05/25/07
In the long run, I don't much care...  lutherlarry | 05/25/07
Linux  grump@... | 05/25/07
And how many times have you tried to install Windows?  ppyo | 05/25/07
Just try a bootable linux cd like Puppy Linux or Knoppix  stevey_d | 05/30/07
Duh..Gee Adrian! U don't know MUCH YOU! Even Dell sells Linux! wink  i2fun@... | 05/25/07
Newsflash  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/25/07
Not LIVE from CD/DVD you can't!!! wink  i2fun@... | 05/26/07
Three more things that the Linux community don't get  leewen@... | 05/26/07
What Windows users need is..  mdsmedia | 05/26/07
Gotta agree!  sherlockwatson@... | 05/26/07
You can lead a horse to water  Ole Man | 05/26/07
Sometimes the horse doesn't know what it's drinking!  BobF_z | 05/30/07
Must have been a smart bunch  Ole Man | 06/02/07
How does one turn open source into closed souce,  HypnoToad72 | 05/26/07
Owning all the copyright helps,  odubtaig | 05/26/07
I apologise.  odubtaig | 05/26/07
It's a supporter thing  stomfi@... | 05/28/07
A hundred things zdnet bloggers don't get about linux  stevey_d | 05/30/07
Then you're either  notsofast | 05/30/07
read these links  stevey_d | 05/30/07
Linux is worth trying for the sake of your wallet!  lamapper | 01/02/09
Huzzah!  papajon_s | 05/30/07
*Linux* isn't too geeky, Linux geeks are.  Sodbuster41 | 05/30/07
Only one reason  vgraybeard@... | 05/30/07
linux only?  w3nd13 | 05/30/07
Exactly!  bobsherrill@... | 06/01/07
Excellent!  paul.bounds@... | 05/31/07
Linux doesn't get it hmmm.  sbmpsm@... | 06/01/07
DOS was also VERY Geeky  bobsherrill@... | 06/01/07
Not in my experiance  MR_DE_01@... | 06/01/07
Whats so difficult???  MR_DE_01@... | 06/01/07
didn't finish what i was saying lol  MR_DE_01@... | 06/01/07
Not much really......  LazLong | 06/01/07
Other Reasons That You Forgot  stheffner@... | 06/02/07
When you need a hammer  Ole Man | 06/03/07
The 6th thing Linux Users Dont Get!  zczc2311 | 06/03/07
Actually it's just the opposite  Ole Man | 06/03/07
And now you'll be disparaged for your beliefs  Boot_Agnostic | 06/04/07
Ew, Macs...  macoafi | 06/04/07
The PC has changed  DonG43 | 06/07/07
Choosing a suitable Linux  tracy anne | 06/08/07
The Mac OS is perceived as being cool and sexy.  tracy anne | 06/08/07
Not too Geeky?????  huehueteot | 06/09/07
Geeze, gimmie a break...  divers3 | 06/09/07
Does it work?  spincitysd@... | 06/11/07
Does it work?  spincitysd@... | 06/11/07
How do most people use their computers?  shouldabeen@... | 06/13/07
My 2 cents  mark16_15@... | 06/14/07
Response to LINUX vs Windows  Apollo21 | 06/18/07
"the person leading the project said it might run a version of Windows"  turgenev | 06/21/07
It's the Desktop Search Stupid!  SpectateSwamp | 06/25/07
There are many different routes  genefitz1976 | 09/04/07
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  TracyF | 12/27/07
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  lamapper | 01/02/09
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  lamapper | 01/02/09
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  MetaPhaze | 04/02/09
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  MetaPhaze | 04/02/09
RE: Three more things that the Linux community don't get  MetaPhaze | 04/02/09
Ubuntu not quite there yet for me either  Shinsengumi | 04/14/09

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