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May 30th, 2009

Microsoft sees sense, kills "three app limit" on Windows 7 Starter edition

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 2:32 am

Categories: Windows 7

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Corp., Netbook, Netbooks, Nettops & MIDs, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Hardware, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

It seems that Microsoft has seen the light and decided to remove the arbitrary “three app limit” that was imposed on Windows 7 Starter edition, the edition most likely to make it onto netbooks.

Here’s the announcement by Brandon LeBlanc on the Windows 7 Team blog:

For the first time, we will be making Windows 7 Starter available worldwide on small notebook PCs. We are also going to enable Windows 7 Starter customers the ability to run as many applications simultaneously as they would like, instead of being constricted to the 3 application limit that the previous Starter editions included.

I’ve been firmly opposed to this “three app limit” since I found out about it and was convinced that Microsoft was shooting itself in the foot with this move. Some people, for example, my blogging colleague Ed Bott, were seemed to me to be happy to have their netbooks neutered by Microsoft. I wasn’t because it seemed like a waste of the netbook’s power. I’m glad to see that this limitation has been lifted and users can run as many apps simultaneously as their netbook can handle.

There are still plenty of features missing from the Starter edition, although I think that most netbook users can either live without these features of work around them:

  • Aero Glass, meaning you can only use the “Windows Basic” or other opaque themes. It also means you do not get Taskbar Previews or Aero Peek.
  • Personalization features for changing desktop backgrounds, window colors, or sound schemes.
  • The ability to switch between users without having to log off.
  • Multi-monitor support.
  • DVD playback.
  • Windows Media Center for watching recorded TV or other media.
  • Remote Media Streaming for streaming your music, videos, and recorded TV from your home computer.
  • Domain support for business customers.
  • XP Mode for those that want the ability to run older Windows XP programs on Windows 7.

Let’s also remember that there’s a maximum hardware specification that netbook OEMs will need to adhere to:

  • CPU: Single core CPUs no faster than 2GHz and with a TDP no greater than 15W.
  • Screen size: No larger than 10.2″.
  • RAM: 2GB.
  • Storage: 250GB HDD or 64GB SSD.

I do have to pick up on one point that LeBlanc makes:

We believe these changes will make Windows 7 Starter an even more attractive option for customers who want a small notebook PC for very basic tasks, like browsing the web, checking email and personal productivity. [emphasis added]

This idea that netbooks are “a small notebook PC for very basic tasks” is silly. Netbooks are very capable, as capable as some of the top end business notebooks from a few years ago.

It seems that Moore’s Law has caught up with Microsoft, and it’s now having to face a world where the hardware is so cheap and so powerful that it makes the OS seem expensive and uncompetitive. This trick of forcing a higher-priced OS on users who wanted fewer limitations used to work in a world where the only alternative was to go higher up the price scale to Apple. Now with Linux doing well on netbooks, that trick could backfire, and this move seems to indicate that Microsoft knows that and is facing up to it.

Thoughts?

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Because no other company in the world does that do they? (Read the rest)
Posted by: jdbukis@... Posted on: 06/03/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Linux doing well on netbooks? Yeah, when Windows XP wasn't in the picture  transposeIT | 05/30/09
Actually, XP competition was there from the start, it was just that it was  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
There are NO limitations using Linux!  no_zd_user_name | 05/30/09
Yup, a netbook is just a different form-factor  Zogg | 05/30/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Yes, precisely.  Zogg | 05/30/09
I doubt that  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
50 GBP on a (say) 300 GBP net-book? That IS a lot.  Zogg | 05/30/09
Well you need to learn some perspective.  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Oh, so you're *patronizing users*!  Zogg | 05/30/09
Hate to burst your bubble...  devlin_X | 06/01/09
Good point ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 06/01/09
actualy no not always buddy.  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
RE: Microsoft sees sense, kills  bryantrv | 05/30/09
Distortion of my point of view  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
Ouch ...  Ludovit | 05/30/09
I have to agree with Ed here  soonerproud | 05/30/09
Ed, get off it, you were telling us we should be happy with a neutered OS.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
your an idiot  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
And, since what I said was true, and you had no argument, your only option  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
actualy buddy  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
The gist of what Ed was saying was very well summed up by the word neutered  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Please actualy read my post before replying next time.  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
jdbukis: Again, read Ed's article, he is basically saying for netbooks you  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Your spelling is as bad as your reading comprehension  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
Ed, you are grasping at straws. If the shoe fits wear it!  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
And yet you can't quote a thing I said  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
Ed, go back and read your article. You may not have said those EXACT words,  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Donnie, you're backpedaling.  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Ed is that one back pedaling. He obviously implied that you should be happy  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
It seems you have a problem with the way we talk, and your only argument is  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Are you implying that?  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Well, if he said the EXACT WORDS or it has EXACTLY the same MEANING  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
No he didn't.  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Yes, very clearly did. He described how you would be unhappy if you  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Ha! Now who's talking semantics  MGP2 | 05/30/09
If you understand English, and you read Ed's article, he is CLEARLY  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
And, read Adrian's reply below, he put it even better than I did.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Well then...  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Adrian is a Lord, I am just a regular talk back guy. Ed is a weasel.  DonnieBoy | 05/31/09
So, Donnie...  MGP2 | 05/30/09
That is EXACTLY what he is saying. He is implying that you ONLY need  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
I gave you the link...  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Again, you have a reading comprehension problem. He clearly said you would  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
(sniff, sniff)  MGP2 | 05/30/09
Again, go ack and read the article. Especially the following quote:  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Still backpedaling  MGP2 | 05/30/09
NO backpedaling, that is EXACTLY what he said, in a round about way.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
LOL  MGP2 | 05/30/09
I guess when you have lost, you are left with only arguing semantics.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
If I'm the one that lost...  MGP2 | 05/30/09
You pretend you do not understand basic English.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
NO NO NO  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Again, he was implying you netbook users would be happy with the  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
No  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Yes, Ed may try to weasel out, but he said it.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Really?  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
@ed: Also ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
You were right on with your assessment of what Ed said. Only a weasel  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
For those that know the English language, the meaning is quite obvious, and  DonnieBoy | 05/31/09
Realy  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
Maybe we can call him by a new name...  MGP2 | 05/31/09
Only a weasel...  MGP2 | 05/31/09
I got the impression  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
I dunno ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
Fair Enoough  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Don't worry, MS will have to raise the 10.2 inch limit. And, right now,  DonnieBoy | 05/31/09
LOL  MGP2 | 05/31/09
So, not saying one thing implies the opposite?  MGP2 | 05/31/09
The future  dfolk2 | 05/30/09
Yep, it will only get worse for MS. Adrian was right on here.  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
any proof of that?  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Not proof as such ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/30/09
Pretty obvious ahat as prices for a 4 gigabyte, 2 GHz, 12" screen netbook  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
MS does not own the definition of "netbook", but, whatever you call them  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
I was there, using a slide rule.  Economister | 05/30/09
Increase price of starter edition  P. Douglas | 05/30/09
RE: Microsoft sees sense, kills  GoodThings2Life | 05/30/09
Still, let the user decide what they want to do with the netbook. No need  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
again stop being stupid  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Users are not asking for neutered versions with restrictions. Users are  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Rofl where do you get this?  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Well, MS wants to force users to pay extra for things that SHOULD come with  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
Can you say ABMer?  MGP2 | 05/31/09
Can you say NBMer??  DonnieBoy | 06/01/09
NBM?  MGP2 | 06/01/09
Microsoft sees sense.  kozmcrae | 05/30/09
In any case, Linux is forcing MS to offer better value, so in that way,  DonnieBoy | 05/30/09
And yet...  NStalnecker | 05/30/09
MS is TRYING to snuff out the competition.  Economister | 05/30/09
Economics vs biology  CobraA1 | 05/30/09
I am not "Linux people"  Economister | 05/30/09
?  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Right!  shoshonski | 05/30/09
Good to hear they've removed that limit  CobraA1 | 05/30/09
RE: Microsoft sees sense, kills  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Zogg no im not  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Ah, so you *really* know that people have trouble with *Windows*!  Zogg | 05/30/09
Yes  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
You had probably installed Firefox for that user only.  Zogg | 05/30/09
no  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Ah, so you *did* install Firefox as a standard user!  Zogg | 05/30/09
Hello  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
And  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
"showing up" isn't the problem  Zogg | 05/31/09
And still I prefer the Linux way...  Zogg | 05/31/09
Oh, and to clarify...  Zogg | 05/30/09
hmmm  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Oh, gee, "certain apps"!  Zogg | 05/30/09
Ha Ha  jdbukis@... | 05/30/09
Donnie boy  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
What a waste of money.......  Christian_<>< | 05/31/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
Oh, I dunno  NStalnecker | 05/31/09
Hate to tell you Windows Folks  no_zd_user_name | 05/31/09
Very poor benchmark at least your reading of it.  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
Adrian will be doing his own set of benchmarks for Ubuntu v W7  no_zd_user_name | 06/01/09
Quick!  NStalnecker | 05/31/09
Zogg you didnt use the runas option  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
Forgot to mention  jdbukis@... | 05/31/09
Two points (again)  Zogg | 06/01/09
Both either way it worked for me  jdbukis@... | 06/02/09
To explain more  jdbukis@... | 06/02/09
Wow, what a mess!  Zogg | 06/02/09
Not realy.  jdbukis@... | 06/02/09
C  DonnieBoy | 06/01/09
Microsoft's dilemma  Eduardo_z | 06/01/09
Sense?  His_Shadow | 06/01/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 06/03/09

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