You're very forgiving
rpmyers1 | 07/18/09
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a "neuter" for Kindle, perhaps?
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
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Microsoft is the KING of the realm of illegal usage. Go Apple!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
 
This matters why. . .
cdmsr | 07/24/09
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I hate to disagree with you
athynz | 07/24/09
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DRM should be illegal under "First Sale"
BillDem | 08/06/09
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No Kindles for us...
RicD_ | 07/18/09
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No Kindles here, either
dunmerbob | 07/19/09
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Amen! No Kindles (or books) here either!
BillDem | 08/06/09
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Couldn't agree more
shawkins | 07/20/09
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I Want My Illegal Downloads!
Stoshie | 07/20/09
|
 
Wrong!!!
mrlinux | 07/20/09
|
  
Right, er... Wrong = Right
Graham Ellison | 07/20/09
|
   
You are woefully ignorant of the law
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
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You are correct, but off-base.
SteveRMann | 07/20/09
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Actually
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
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The Law
GeniusWorking | 07/20/09
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Not to mention the fact that DRM violates First Sale
BillDem | 08/06/09
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IP Law
Answerfactory | 07/20/09
|
     
"Made up" or not is irrelevant.
Captiosus | 07/20/09
|
    
who is woefully ignorant?
jakon | 07/22/09
|
   
"Possession is Nine-Tenths of the Law"
Captiosus | 07/20/09
|
    
Unfortunately
ElecNinja | 07/21/09
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Still wrong analogy
xXSpeedzXx | 07/24/09
|
  
Amazon did their customers a FAVOR
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
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FBI?
JustinTyme56 | 07/20/09
|
    
You must have missed all the news stories about the FBI going to foreign co
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
     
Ignorant?
JustinTyme56 | 07/20/09
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is this some kind of joke performance art?
jakon | 07/22/09
|
   
No Kindles for me........
Tennisyoda@... | 07/20/09
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This is very funny.
jakon | 07/22/09
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I concur.
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
|
 
Way off base here...
Dave32265 | 07/20/09
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You don't know what you're talking about
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
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No, you are clueless
Answerfactory | 07/20/09
|
   
voice of experience?
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
|
  
Invasion of Privacy?
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|
   
Congrats
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
    
do stop, please!
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
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hilarious. [nm]
jakon | 07/22/09
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You don't OWN the Kindle software.
Captiosus | 07/20/09
|
   
Re; Amazon has the right to track what is being played . . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
 
I have neither the time or resouses to know
mjolnar@... | 07/20/09
|
  
"Happy Birthday to You" *IS* copyrighted!
RufusVS | 07/20/09
|
  
Copyrights DO expire
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
   
I purchased a book about...
jwlynn64@... | 07/20/09
|
    
OK
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
     
MAYBE . . . .
JLHenry | 07/20/09
|
     
' hope Americans will stop being ignorant'
BitBanger_USA | 07/20/09
|
     
You sir, are a moron.
jakon | 07/22/09
|
   
What is expiring here
athynz | 07/20/09
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THANK YOU!!!
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
|
   
Actually they don't the way things are now
voska1 | 07/21/09
|
  
If you buy a car and it turns out it was stolen
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
 
Illegal downloads
Budster1 | 07/20/09
|
  
Illegal is illegal, whether you are aware of that or not
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|
   
What Amazon SHOULD have done . . .
JLHenry | 07/20/09
|
    
I can't argue against your point, but
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
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If that were the case . . .
JLHenry | 07/20/09
|
    
Re; it was a bad move on their part. Indeed it was !
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
   
Actually no.
jakon | 07/22/09
|
 
WRONG!
voska1 | 07/20/09
|
 
DRM ..not for me.
psion@... | 07/20/09
|
  
Re; should have heard the squawk when audio cassettes . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
 
This is not JUST a legal issue...
LANShark524 | 07/20/09
|
  
What is your point?
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
   
you're giving us all a headache
jedikitty@... | 07/21/09
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Let's look at this from a logical standpoint
robwriter | 07/21/09
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So because I don't want a kindle
athynz | 07/21/09
|
 
Not buying Kindle = Illegal downloads?! Seriously?!?
BillDem | 08/06/09
|

Good move!
Answerfactory | 07/20/09
|

I'm with you. Will wait until they change policy. EOM
rp518 | 08/06/09
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(whack!) Thank you, sir, may I please have another?
mgp3 | 07/18/09
|

Good point, but...
rahbm | 07/21/09
|
Kindles on message - CHANGE
blee95 | 07/18/09
|

Wow! Good job...
mgp3 | 07/18/09
|
 
Property rights not political?
blee95 | 07/18/09
|
  
Not quite the way you've described them...
mgp3 | 07/18/09
|
   
However property is property...
blee95 | 07/18/09
|
   
Closest to big business?
mjolnar@... | 07/20/09
|

Don't really own - just custodians
Patanjali | 07/19/09
|
 
Personal property...
JCitizen | 07/19/09
|
  
Right-wing nonsense
dunmerbob | 07/19/09
|
   
"Property rights"
bhartman36 | 07/19/09
|
    
Nope sir
s_souche | 07/20/09
|
    
"or to lend it to someone"
Pembo | 07/20/09
|
     
Law 101
voska1 | 07/20/09
|
     
Lending
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
     
You are ignorant of fair use
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
    
Not how licenses work
voska1 | 07/20/09
|
     
Reading vs. Selling
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
     
Re; . . is DRM. Legally you can can sell it.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
     
DRM is not evil -- it's just the initial testbed technology.
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
   
Stolen Nations
Graham Ellison | 07/20/09
|
    
ROFL
tubr0 | 07/20/09
|
     
Until law enforcement shows up
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
   
Yes
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|
   
Nonsense - maybe...
JCitizen | 07/20/09
|
 
OK then, hand over that kidney!
Zogg | 07/20/09
|
 
BUSH needs to put down the COKE and love People instead of Churches!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|

Go cry into George W Bushes breast!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
ANY digital security system is DRM
Patanjali | 07/19/09
|

RE: ANY digital security system is DRM
RedVeg | 07/20/09
|
Of course Amazon has the right to do this
Johnny Vegas | 07/19/09
|

Analogies . . .
CobraA1 | 07/19/09
|
 
It was the inevitable decision by Amazon, even if it was unfortunate.
bhartman36 | 07/19/09
|
  
Small acorn, mighty oak
JJ Brannon | 07/20/09
|
   
Intellectual Property of students
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
    
Saved in some form
JJ Brannon | 07/20/09
|
  
Re: It was the inevitable decision by Amazon
rkinne01 | 07/20/09
|
   
I agree with a lot of what you're saying
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
    
Well said
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|
    
Don't forget the lowly consumer
oncall | 07/20/09
|
     
I don't entirely dismiss that argument, either.
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
     
Re; Don't forget the lowly consumer.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
     
@bhartman36
oncall | 07/21/09
|
     
@hkonmedal - Re: The Paper Equivalent
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
     
@oncall: I partially agree, but...
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
     
I will partly agree also
oncall | 07/21/09
|
     
@oncall: I think I better understand your objection now. Thanks!
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
 
Thank you! Finally someone gets this!
masonwheeler | 07/20/09
|
  
Depends on where you live
infoz | 07/20/09
|
  
Copyright Enforcement
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
   
And what would Amazon have done if . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
    
I replied to you on this above, but I'll give you the short version.
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
 
In 1984
mjolnar@... | 07/20/09
|
  
Can't you still own a gun
voska1 | 07/20/09
|
 
Bad analogy
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|
Agreed. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
CobraA1 | 07/19/09
|

GWBush needs to pass away! (NT)
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
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RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
s_souche | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Capt_Sparky | 07/20/09
|

The book is software, under this model...
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
 
It also hurts their bottom line...
mrlinux | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
condelirios | 07/20/09
|

Yes, the one solid anchor we have on this slippery slope
Ole Man | 07/20/09
|
 
RE: ...one solid anchor...
bfilipiak@... | 07/20/09
|
 
Re; Time for another power . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|

Thank You!!
Pembo | 07/20/09
|

Re; EVEN bad for big business in the long run.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
super_J | 07/20/09
|

Re; . . it gives complete control to the vendor.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
the_fiddler_on_the_roof | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|

possession is the key
s_souche | 07/20/09
|
 
The Right to Read
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
  
that is duscussable
s_souche | 07/20/09
|
   
Usage
bhartman36 | 07/20/09
|
   
Re; you are not trespassing his monopole.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
    
my point exactly
s_souche | 07/21/09
|
    
"No other rights are granted."
bhartman36 | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
sorahl@... | 07/20/09
|

It isn't idiotic....What is though...
condelirios | 07/20/09
|

Re; The police would come and take it away . . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
 
Continually glossed over...
oncall | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
viweed@... | 07/20/09
|

Would I buy a DRM infected book ?
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
viweed@... | 07/20/09
|

Re; You don't know what you will be missing.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
None of us own the books
sthayes | 07/20/09
|

There are ways
s_souche | 07/20/09
|

Re; (and not us!) owns the rights to those books . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
Author doesn't understand copyrights
mbratch | 07/20/09
|

Would CBS Corporation be fine with people stealing their content?
eljay001 | 07/20/09
|
 
Stealing
Tom6 | 07/20/09
|
 
The consept of stealing involves . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|

It is still like home invation.
mjolnar@... | 07/20/09
|
 
Re; Big Brother is watching.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|

Wrong again. Copy rights are about one thing only.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
Ridiculous
Speednet | 07/20/09
|

Re: Ridiculous
pdickey43@... | 07/20/09
|
 
Good in theory, but not in the real world
Speednet | 07/20/09
|

Get the facts before you make silly claims.
masonwheeler | 07/20/09
|
 
Your dismissive, inane comments are not helpful
Speednet | 07/20/09
|
  
He dismissed your comments because they aren't backed up by facts
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
   
Just another anti-DRM drone
Speednet | 07/25/09
|

Re; No author would publish their works WITHOUT DRM.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
No Kindle for Me
Grolan | 07/20/09
|
Amazon Broke Faith With Its Customers
Dr_Zinj | 07/20/09
|

1984 is also public domain in RUSSIA!!!!
gertruded | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Biotechguy | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
super_J | 07/20/09
|

Re; corporations that violate personal liberty all the time . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
DRM is irritating
BitSmacker | 07/20/09
|
I was thinking of getting a Kindle Too
s_carter2000@... | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
agohige | 07/20/09
|
It's not the DRM that is the issue here so much as the remote delete.
richard233 | 07/20/09
|
Read the agreement
infoz | 07/20/09
|
What Amazon SHOULD have done about an illegal copy of a book
mroberts@... | 07/20/09
|
MiniTruth
Falchion14 | 07/20/09
|

Great post!
super_J | 07/20/09
|

MiniTruth
Dick S | 07/20/09
|

WRONG Ministry!
bfilipiak@... | 07/20/09
|
 
You obviously haven't read '1984' (nt)
JLHenry | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
HouseOfZen | 07/20/09
|

Actaully I quit buying any software with DRM...
mrlinux | 07/20/09
|
 
Never had a problem with DRM and Windows...Apple however...
USTechHead | 07/20/09
|
  
I've had issues Windows DRM
voska1 | 07/20/09
|
  
And neither did the Kindel owners...
mrlinux | 07/20/09
|
  
Funny. I have had the exact opposite. Windows CALLS home!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
 
linux will not do for all ... eg. Dreamweaver works like krap under wine
hifi@... | 07/20/09
|
  
Never said Linux was the choice for everyone....
mrlinux | 07/20/09
|
 
No DRM, No Proprietary Formats . . . .
sporkfighter | 07/20/09
|

why continue to buy Microsoft's software
gertruded | 07/20/09
|
 
Microsoft is PUCK!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
I am Boycotting Amazon now
7tisix | 07/20/09
|

yeah ... it's like getting sick to make your mother feel sorry
hifi@... | 07/20/09
|

Because of WHAT?
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
partman1969@... | 07/20/09
|
A bunch of whining ...
dkawalec | 07/20/09
|

people do not read fine print ... if they did
hifi@... | 07/20/09
|

RE: A bunch of whining
RedVeg | 07/20/09
|

Re; '...whining...'
dca@... | 07/20/09
|
 
You don't need root or SU to delete a file [nt]
dkawalec | 07/20/09
|

Right . . .
sporkfighter | 07/20/09
|
 
Apple uses industry standards
rahbm | 07/21/09
|

Re; you do not buy the book. Wrong again, partially that is.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
 
What you license is the right to read the books (nt)
dkawalec | 07/21/09
|

The refund is NOT the point
athynz | 07/21/09
|
 
You don't get it
dkawalec | 07/21/09
|
  
Actually I hit the nail on the head with my analogy
athynz | 07/23/09
|
   
No, because if you truly understood the things you claim to understand ...
dkawalec | 07/24/09
|
    
Actually dude
athynz | 07/24/09
|
Time for Open Source
flapinux | 07/20/09
|

ironic ...
super_J | 07/20/09
|
zdnet saved me money - no Kindle for me
hifi@... | 07/20/09
|
Amazon should be sued for theft! get that TOS fixed. (nt)
wessonjoe | 07/20/09
|

They can't steal what you don't legally own
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
dca@... | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
HouseOfZen | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
sgtm8@... | 07/20/09
|
Good scam. Nice Interest
Tom6 | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Starman35 | 07/20/09
|
Are you crazy?
kguzzi@... | 07/20/09
|

You miss the point
AVALAR | 07/20/09
|
 
The consumer expectation was flawed.
dkawalec | 07/20/09
|
  
Because...
ElecNinja | 07/21/09
|
   
Stop being so melodramatic ...
dkawalec | 07/21/09
|
    
Yeah that's what Amazon should say
oncall | 07/21/09
|
     
Amazon shows me I'm important to them ...
dkawalec | 07/21/09
|
  
Actually
athynz | 07/24/09
|

Use your brain
Answerfactory | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon
LANShark524 | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Badgered | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Andylb | 07/20/09
|
Mis-informed
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
ladyhenry | 07/20/09
|
Let's look at it this way...
Dry_Land_Is_Not_A_Myth | 07/20/09
|

Do you own a Kindle?
sfriedrich | 07/20/09
|
 
Just once
ElecNinja | 07/21/09
|
 
What the FBI is allowed to do in other countries....
mrlinux | 07/21/09
|

Re; DRM is good to stop theives from sharing other people's work.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
DRM Violates Fair Use Doctrine
Cardhu | 07/20/09
|
Thanks For Having Some Guts
NeilShapiro | 07/20/09
|
How does this have anything to do with DRM?
dblevins54 | 07/20/09
|

"100?s of Kindle DRMed ebooks I own"
dkawalec | 07/20/09
|
 
It's just more noticeable than a paper book, that's all.
bhartman36 | 07/23/09
|
  
I think you're missing some important distinctions ...
dkawalec | 07/24/09
|
I loathe DRM as much as the next guy...
Captiosus | 07/20/09
|

DRM, practically speaking
JimW01 | 07/20/09
|

Re; images on that disk are the property of someone else . .
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Daedalu | 07/20/09
|

Good luck with that.
philculmer | 07/21/09
|
Amazon shows us why not to buy a Kindle.
nmurphy24 | 07/20/09
|
The pirates always win.
kraterz | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
Tennisyoda@... | 07/20/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
ipblythe | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
bryan@... | 07/21/09
|
possesion of stolen property
livebalazlive | 07/21/09
|
I think Amazon really created an anti sales move here.
hkommedal | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
lonestar359@... | 07/21/09
|
Will Microsoft do the same to PCs that don't upgrade from XP?
garylt | 07/21/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
syber@... | 07/21/09
|
But, you're wrong.
caspianhiro | 07/22/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
slamspam | 07/22/09
|
RE: Amazon shows us why DRM is a bad idea
areakode | 07/22/09
|
Noce point
ioni | 07/22/09
|

Nice that you made a Noce point!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 07/22/09
|
Amazon sux
MrViklund | 07/23/09
|
DRM & what's a Kindle?
warpuck@... | 08/01/09
|
The freedom of using a book!
qlcamaabsa | 08/06/09
|
Fahrenheit 451
palman@... | 08/12/09
|
Amazon is a dishonest company
Alan Balkany | 08/12/09
|