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July 31st, 2009

While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 8:37 am

Categories: Legal

Tags: Notebook, Operating System, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Federal Antimonopoly Service, Linux, Operating Systems, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

While the European Commission is wasting time getting Microsoft to pull IE from Windows, Russia’s Commission of the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) is putting together a case against some of the largest OEMs for violating antimonopoly legislation.

FAS is looking at Acer, ASUSTeK, Toshiba, HP, Samsung and Dell, claiming that the companies violated competition laws by pre-installing Windows on notebooks, and not giving users an option to choose a different OS (Linux) or no OS at all.

Side note: This case looks at notebooks specifically. I guess the reason for this is that you can build your own desktop system, but not a notebook.

Reading the press release, I think that this is more a case of giving users a choice rather than punishing Microsoft. And when you think about it, there’s merit to the investigation. While the vast majority of users are perfectly happy with whatever OS comes with their system, there are some people who either don’t want an OS installed (they’re going to install Linux or perhaps have an OS license at hand) or would prefer to have another OS pre-installed. Makes sense to me. That said though, OEMs will probably be resistant to pre-installing Linux because that means they end up supporting multiple OSes.

It seems that Microsoft is in the clear over this:

“The «Microsoft» Corporation, brought to the proceedings as an interested party, confirmed that the licence agreements with PC vendors do not set any restrictions or requirements to sell PC with pre-installed operational systems, or any obstacles for returning the pre-installed operational system. To prevent future imposing of the operational system, «Microsoft» presented information on changes to the draft contracts with notebook manufacturers, which would obligate the latter to have procedures for returning operational systems from end users.”

This is about choice, but I can’t see choice being free though. Even if OEMs could push say 5% of PCs running Linux out of the door, it’s likely that the cost of the OS (free) would be offset by the cost of the custom setup and that Windows-based systems would cost about the same as Linux-based systems. However, the exposure that Linux could get from being featured alongside Windows could mean the OS gains ground. As far as offering OS-free systems goes, the cost here would be minimal (fitting a blank hard drive rather than one with Windows installed on it) and these systems are likely to be significantly cheaper.

In my opinion, giving users a choice of OS (or no OS) is far more important than which browser is installed as default.

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Preinstalled Windows
First off, I think Windows sucks.

However, I think I'm missing the point of throwing a fit
over OEM's who preinstall Windows on their systems. The
laws of supply and demand will tell th... (Read the rest)
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And who picks up the tab?  GuidingLight | 07/31/09
That's not the point. Do you agree that Consumers should have the choice?  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
As long as MS isn't forcing OEMs to exclusively install Windows, then no  MissingMatter | 07/31/09
Canonical Announces Desktop Support 7/31/2009  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
And?  MissingMatter | 07/31/09
A user can buy a PC with no O/S and walk out of the store  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
That only works for half the argument  MissingMatter | 07/31/09
Argumentative. Adrian's article is concise and to the point.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
@Dietrich : So, would you be happy with ...  de-void | 07/31/09
Don't try to confuse the issue with convoluted logic. Consumer Choice.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
@Dietrich: No, this isn't convoluted logic  de-void | 07/31/09
Uhh...last time I checked I had to pay Dell for Windows support.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
So let me get this straight  wolf_z | 07/31/09
Ubuntu?  bigpicture | 08/29/09
Wow dude  NStalnecker | 08/01/09
How do you figure? Break it down.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 08/01/09
Easy  NStalnecker | 08/02/09
Where do you get free support from MS?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
There is no "free market" in PC's  Chad_z | 08/29/09
Is it not the manufacturer that should decide  GuidingLight | 07/31/09
Nonsense. There is little burden placed on the OEM beyond  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Without an OS is fraught with it's own issues:  GuidingLight | 07/31/09
BTW: No. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
But you're forgetting the no OS option  NCWeber | 08/03/09
It's Russia - the land of hackers and pirates...  douglas_stein@... | 08/05/09
Bullocks! If you don't want OSX don't buy an Apple.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
we do have choice  clarnT | 07/31/09
Except...  NCWeber | 08/03/09
So why be forced to PAY for an OS (Windows) when you are going to ditch it?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
You do have a choice...  GetReal-mac.com | 08/01/09
not just installation, but support  coffeeshark | 07/31/09
Have you heard of billable/hourly?  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Not really. The user can return the unit or search the net and fix it.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
Simple..  a.barry@... | 07/31/09
And who supports your botique PC?  MissingMatter | 07/31/09
I've tried Dell's support . . .  sporkfighter | 08/04/09
Who Picks Up the Tab  bigpicture | 08/29/09
Lack of Superstructure  dunraven | 07/31/09
Consumer Issue. Congress can enact same legislation.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Um, no the FTC can't enact legislation at all  wolf_z | 07/31/09
I stand corrected on the FTC issue and corrected above.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Why not?  stano360 | 07/31/09
No. Let's call it 'Let the OEM's sell their hardware' act.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
Microsoft is the monopoly. As proven on 3 continents. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
About time ...  johnfenjackson@... | 07/31/09
Well over due {nt}  n0neXn0ne | 07/31/09
Ok, but....  NStalnecker | 07/31/09
the rigt remedy is...  Linux Geek | 07/31/09
Troubleshooting hardware  bfilipiak@... | 07/31/09
But then you run into...  ShadowGIATL | 08/01/09
What is bloat? 1 MB? 10 MB? 100 MB? 1 GB?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/12/09
RE: The "rigt" remedy.  BernieLyons | 08/02/09
Tad extreme there...  ShadowGIATL | 08/03/09
As long as.....  Economister | 07/31/09
irony of the iron curtain protecting freedom better than the US?  shryko | 07/31/09
Sorry to flame you  stano360 | 07/31/09
It's all about marginal costs, not Microsoft  MissingMatter | 07/31/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  Loverock Davidson | 07/31/09
Hats off to Adrian Kingsley-Hughes  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Even if Linux were MORE expensive  Michael Kelly | 07/31/09
What?!!!!! (kidding) wink  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/31/09
Why doesn't the US do this?  teddybairs1 | 07/31/09
Big Brother wants you to run...  bjbrock | 07/31/09
Microsoft denies handing law enforcement 'backdoor' keys  Ole Man | 08/01/09
just what we need more government (nt)  thekman58 | 07/31/09
RE:Why doesn't the US do this?  BernieLyons | 08/02/09
"...would cost about the same as Linux-based systems." Oh Crap  USTechHead | 07/31/09
I want to choose OSX...can Russia please make Apple open that can of worm  Yax_to_the_Max | 07/31/09
You know you bring up a good observation -  USTechHead | 07/31/09
I am not an Apple user or supporter but...  JasonJD48 | 08/04/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  rdupuy11 | 07/31/09
If it was my company, leave me alone!  Zantis | 07/31/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  superbestgr | 07/31/09
New title.... Whilst the US bent over for MS, the EU  deaf_e_kate | 07/31/09
Why would you cheer the punishment of MS?  stano360 | 07/31/09
This is no more PUNISHMENT than the American consumer gets.  kd5auq | 07/31/09
do some research on MS's history  deaf_e_kate | 08/02/09
Terrible how they gave a browser away for free  JasonJD48 | 08/04/09
Unfortunately the EU motives are true  JasonJD48 | 08/04/09
Hey, 20 watt...  James T. Kirk | 07/31/09
Hey, 10 watt...  deaf_e_kate | 08/02/09
For some people, I suppose everything revolves around MS.  ShadowGIATL | 08/03/09
You're confused.  ShadowGIATL | 08/03/09
Your / You're confused  dszimmer | 08/04/09
Well at least you're a polite spell nazi...  ShadowGIATL | 08/04/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  TomMariner | 07/31/09
What % of the consumers really want this?  thekman58 | 07/31/09
Are you kidding?  James T. Kirk | 07/31/09
RE: What about offering OpenOffice as an option?  mistermachine | 07/31/09
There are reasons.  ShadowGIATL | 08/03/09
I personally never cared for OEM installed software  JasonJD48 | 08/04/09
Same here...  ShadowGIATL | 08/04/09
Russia tackles money problem.  pauliusp | 07/31/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  enawn | 07/31/09
OSX and Dual Boot  biomedr | 08/01/09
This is really what it's always been about  Timpraetor | 08/01/09
The only reason  crazydanr@... | 08/01/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  ShadowGIATL | 08/01/09
Step back and look.  dszimmer | 08/02/09
Consumer get what they want, and they want Windows or OS X  IE8 | 08/02/09
RE:Consumer get what they want, and they want Windows or OS X  BernieLyons | 08/02/09
The problem is...  JasonJD48 | 08/04/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  PlayFair | 08/02/09
I'm interested in getting a HP Mini 5101  roaming | 08/02/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  Vahidm | 08/03/09
Let's just check out the Russian Dell site...  dszimmer | 08/04/09
Well... I was actually kinda on board with them on this one...  ShadowGIATL | 08/04/09
RE: While the EC wastes time with IE, Russia tackles bigger issues  bigpicture | 08/05/09
Preinstalled Windows  ct2193@... | 09/08/09

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