Yes. They made it much worse.
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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Yes, it IS hard to stop negative press. That is true for about any large
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Vista did NOT kill Vista. The marketplace did.
de-void | 10/19/09
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No, Vista killed Vista. By any measure it was a HUGE failure, and STILL is
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Then neither is Ubuntu, for that matter,
GuidingLight | 10/19/09
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Nice try to change the subject. But, MS is not laughing about the rapidly
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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They didn't give away XP
de-void | 10/19/09
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No, MS essentially gave away XP. The price they are still charging for XP
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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@Donnie: Giving a product away charging for a product
de-void | 10/19/09
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@de-void: they essentially gave it away. Drastically reduced the price.
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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@Donnie: Repeating the same thing doesn't make it true
de-void | 10/19/09
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@Donnie: Replace "desperate" with "keen" and I'll agree with you!
de-void | 10/19/09
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de-void: repeating that Vista does not suck does NOT make it so.
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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@Donnie: A product generating $bn in revenue and profits rarely "sucks"
de-void | 10/19/09
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So how much does it cost to give something away?
GuidingLight | 10/19/09
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Well Ubuntu does not come preinstalled...
mrlinux | 10/19/09
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Who cares?
Stan57 | 10/19/09
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New
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Vista is 90% of the market...
condelirios | 10/19/09
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Show us a link
mrlinux | 10/19/09
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I too would like to see a link
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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Read my post below.
de-void | 10/19/09
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No, ANY WAY you look at it, Vista was a failure, especially considering how
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Most users who claim to be happier with Vista ...
de-void | 10/19/09
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Still, any way you look at it, the adoption of Vista has been dismal,
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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@de-void...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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@Dave32265: Alas, no.
de-void | 10/19/09
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@de-void...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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Nah - Vista's sales outpaced XP's
de-void | 10/19/09
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@Dave32265: Win7 & Audigy
de-void | 10/19/09
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Just BSoDed in Vista
nucrash | 10/20/09
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Then check your drivers
de-void | 10/20/09
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Windows7
Jimster480 | 10/20/09
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No conspiracy needed, tech press is disproportionately anti-MS
connor33 | 10/20/09
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I disagree...
Sleeper Service | 10/19/09
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Neither was XP
de-void | 10/19/09
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Now THAT is rich. The only argument is that XP was just as bad, so give
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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No. It's called living in the real world.
de-void | 10/19/09
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Wow, your only defense of Vista is that XP was just as bad??? And, this
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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One thing I'll agree with you on...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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Longhorn ...
de-void | 10/19/09
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Well...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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@Dave32265: Alas ...
de-void | 10/20/09
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Sales counted to Vista in reality sales of XP
Viva la crank dodo | 10/20/09
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Downgrade rights are nothing new
rtk | 10/20/09
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Downgrade rights
Viva la crank dodo | 10/20/09
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If Vista is 'FINE', why are Vista users the highest yield
chrome_slinky@... | 10/19/09
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Personally
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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My experience......
daMan25 | 10/19/09
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Media continued to bash Vista after it was fixed.
Tom12Tom | 10/19/09
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Vista is still bloated and needs more memory and CPU than XP. Sure, if you
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Yes, Vista is more hungry than XP ...
de-void | 10/19/09
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Rattle off all of the insignificant details you want, people are STILL just
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Most PC users live in ignorant bliss ... until ...
de-void | 10/19/09
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True, but, vigilant XP users are about as safe as Vista users.
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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No, they're not.
de-void | 10/19/09
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de-void: You can argue security until you are blue in the face, but, it
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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@Donnie ... I'd agree with you ... up until this year!
de-void | 10/19/09
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Not True
condelirios | 10/19/09
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Exactly...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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LOL
de-void | 10/19/09
|
     
UAC is only click-through...
wolf_z | 10/20/09
|
     
Again...
Dave32265 | 10/20/09
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Vista runs just fine on my netbook...
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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So Linux and OSX have gotten thinner over the years? Give me a break
connor33 | 10/20/09
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I don't...
Dave32265 | 10/20/09
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It was fixed?
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Exactly, everybody wanted a better XP, instead, we got a turd, called Vista
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
  
And we all know what you get when you...
mrlinux | 10/19/09
|
 
What problems
de-void | 10/19/09
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Sure
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Uh...
wolf_z | 10/20/09
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Yup, they did.
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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Wait a minute. After 8 years since the release of XP, Vista is STILL NOT
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Somebody should define 'better'
IT_User | 10/19/09
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It is much better
GuidingLight | 10/19/09
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Right, and why do end users still prefer XP??? An EIGHT YEAR OLD OS!!!
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Well, I have used it
IT_User | 10/19/09
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And, that may be the problems for MS, the Desktop OS is a mature product
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Unless somebody comes up with the next VisiCalc
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Yes, very true. I think we have seen the last killer desktop app. Future
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Simplified.
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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Well, the SIMPLE fact is that nobody sees anything special about Vista.
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Proof? (nt)
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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Let Vistas dismal record of adoption against an 8 year old OS speak for
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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So dismal . . .
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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No. Vista sucked. That's all.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/19/09
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link to Bott saying Vista sucks, please.
ericesque | 10/19/09
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all he said
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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Link please
de-void | 10/19/09
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Yes, he well defended Vista when others were mindlessly piling on
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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No, you're not getting a link.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/19/09
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Take your word for it?
de-void | 10/20/09
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Why should he?
rahbm | 10/21/09
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no reasoning at all
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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disaster?
CelticBrewer | 10/19/09
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what he meant exactly we may never know
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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Nor did MS...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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I never understood the VISTA BS.
Fark | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
rozner | 10/19/09
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RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
supergryan | 10/19/09
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It's as plane the noose on your fact
Lunatic59 | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
VistaHater | 10/19/09
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lucky?
CelticBrewer | 10/19/09
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Clearly
Lunatic59 | 10/19/09
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"someone who understands permissions and how to implement them properly"
ejhonda | 10/19/09
|
  
True enough
Lunatic59 | 10/19/09
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Very nice quip!
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
  
Cue x-files soundtrack
Lunatic59 | 10/19/09
|
   
(cue reality) The truth may be out there
Ole Man | 10/19/09
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Absolutely!
CelticBrewer | 10/19/09
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No arguing with you
nucrash | 10/19/09
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Yes they did and I would include you in ....
ShadeTree | 10/19/09
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Shoot the messenger
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Adrian is and has been a very vocal ....
ShadeTree | 10/20/09
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So DRM is "bogus rubbish", eh?
Ole Man | 10/19/09
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Yes it is...
Sleeper Service | 10/19/09
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DRM was...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|
  
So...
Sleeper Service | 10/19/09
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Ok
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|
    
LOL. Gimme a break
de-void | 10/20/09
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Whether i agree or...
Dave32265 | 10/20/09
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@Dave32265: Why do you think ...
de-void | 10/20/09
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The internet is full of it
Ole Man | 10/19/09
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Adrian, you missed Long's point
Joe_Raby | 10/19/09
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As far as I'm concerned ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 10/19/09
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Adding to that...
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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Come on, they may have "fixed" Vista, but it is STILL NOT significantly
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
   
not better than XP?
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
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And, that is so FUNNY if true. Business is where Vista has had the LEAST
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
     
Aside from "compatibility issues"....
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
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JoeMama_z: And still, adoption in the enterprise is DISMAL. Just what is it
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
     
Got a source?
rtk | 10/19/09
|
   
Donnie, that's not what I meant
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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Very true, Windows 7 does not require better hardware than Vista, BUT,
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
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Donnie
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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Corvair
IT_User | 10/19/09
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Bloggers, not MSM
nucrash | 10/19/09
|

password same as an OK!
eggmanbubbagee@... | 10/19/09
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Actually...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
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Actually, I don't think so
nucrash | 10/19/09
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Not true.
de-void | 10/19/09
|
   
There is another complaint
nucrash | 10/20/09
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Windows doesn't make all users admin by default ...
de-void | 10/20/09
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Vista Sunk Itself...
itanalyst2@... | 10/19/09
|

Agreed...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|

Taking on water?
Nookhoek | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
lvilledasps@... | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
CelticBrewer | 10/19/09
|

Again... Arguing with you serves me no point
nucrash | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
Loverock Davidson | 10/19/09
|

Now you justify Mojave
nucrash | 10/20/09
|
 
LOL...
Dave32265 | 10/20/09
|
Low Speced Laptops caused a lot of problems
kns98 | 10/19/09
|

It was more than laptops...
mrlinux | 10/19/09
|

US$40
Nookhoek | 10/19/09
|
 
I always get a kick out of these kinds of responses.
ye | 10/19/09
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Even more to the point...
mrlinux | 10/19/09
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Vista sunk itself
Len Rooney | 10/19/09
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Absolutely not!!
GoodThings2Life | 10/19/09
|

Even Windows 7 might be a day late and a dollar short.
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
 
ChromeOS and Moblin will have an impact ...
de-void | 10/19/09
|
  
Actually, about a third of Dell's netbooks ship with Ubuntu, and they are
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
   
I want a source for that number.
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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Cobra
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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Try Google, search for "ubuntu dell 1/3"
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
     
About a year ago . . .
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
|
     
Two results. both zdnet talkbacks
rtk | 10/19/09
|
     
First hit.......
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
     
Two hits.
rtk | 10/20/09
|
  
Yes,
Nookhoek | 10/19/09
|
   
"try running your PC without an HDD, or DOS! "
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
    
You don't even need ...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|
    
I Don't Mean MS-DOS
Nookhoek | 10/19/09
|
     
Short on facts
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
 
Sorry . . .
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
|
  
If what you say is true, MS would have no reason to essentially give away
DonnieBoy | 10/19/09
|
   
I doubt anybody's scared.
CobraA1 | 10/19/09
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Not as much as people bad mouthing it when they never even tried it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/09
|

Are you sure, Edith Ann?
IT_User | 10/19/09
|

At least I tried it. And it sucked.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/19/09
|
 
Lets see how true that is.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/19/09
|
  
Simple.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/19/09
|
   
Me too, but...
IT_User | 10/19/09
|
    
I know exactly what you mean.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/19/09
|
   
How so
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/20/09
|
    
Customer = always right. So I'm right.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/20/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista? YES
diane wilson | 10/19/09
|

Unfortunately...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|

Fact of the matter is:
unknownweirdo@... | 10/19/09
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No It Was a Market Place Decision
mr1972 | 10/19/09
|
They were just part of the problem...
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
|

Microsoft cannot control three.
ye | 10/19/09
|
 
They could fix it if they wanted to...
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
|
  
How?
ye | 10/19/09
|
   
I don't know all the in's and outs but I'll float a few ideas
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista? NO
pctech4u | 10/19/09
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I'm on the fence with this one.
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
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"XP's constant blue screens "?
Ole Man | 10/19/09
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Only if your
rtk | 10/19/09
|
  
Exactly what I did
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
 
Yes, constant blue screens
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
|
  
Scruples, my good man
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
I'm always amazed.....
Takalok | 10/19/09
|
In other words...
jasonp@... | 10/19/09
|

Looooooow expectations!
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
hayneiii@... | 10/19/09
|
Was Vista really that bad when it came out?
itpro_z | 10/19/09
|

But Microsoft did not help with their Vista Capable sticker.
mrlinux | 10/19/09
|
 
I agree
itpro_z | 10/19/09
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I had someone I know do the same thing but it was an HP
mrlinux | 10/19/09
|
   
Sure but
Nookhoek | 10/19/09
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Of its own weight
johnfenjackson@... | 10/19/09
|

You missed one important factor
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
 
You made this up.
rtk | 10/19/09
|
  
You see a reverse image
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
   
the clouds of smoke
rtk | 10/19/09
|
    
Not visible to you
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
     
Attempted ridicule?
rtk | 10/20/09
|
   
What rootkit did MS drop on your computer?
de-void | 10/20/09
|
    
Simple!
Ole Man | 10/21/09
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Wrong
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
|
  
That's Right
Ole Man | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
bigsibling | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
missgrammar | 10/19/09
|
its scary!!!
nessrapp | 10/19/09
|

Think about...
Dave32265 | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
Mike andriane | 10/19/09
|
"countless patches and bug fixes"
HollywoodDog | 10/19/09
|

So aside from the BSD's
JoeMama_z | 10/19/09
|
 
I assume Mac OS is considered a BSD?
HollywoodDog | 10/19/09
|
  
Baaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
de-void | 10/20/09
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Simple: People won't tolerate crashes.
peter_erskine@... | 10/19/09
|
Reporters did not sink Vista; Bloggers did
NoThomas | 10/19/09
|
WGA sank Vista - will derail Windows 6.1 too
Spikey_Mike | 10/19/09
|

Give me a break...
condelirios | 10/19/09
|
 
Small business far outnumber large corporations
Spikey_Mike | 10/19/09
|
  
Volume licensing starts at 5 machines.
rtk | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
theantibush | 10/19/09
|
Vista-preinstalled dominated the consumer market
Tom12Tom | 10/19/09
|

I'll believe that
IT_User | 10/19/09
|

I agree
NStalnecker | 10/19/09
|
Question does not make sense
alokgovil | 10/19/09
|
Hardware vendors were partly to blame
echtogammut | 10/19/09
|
Vista sunk itself...
SystemVoid | 10/19/09
|

Yes, it was the fiery crashes that killed the Ford Pinto
WiredGuy | 10/19/09
|
My Vista is dog SLOW
T1Oracle | 10/19/09
|
Only if the reporters actually used Vista in-depth...
HypnoToad72 | 10/19/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
DannyO_0x98 | 10/19/09
|
Bloggers like Adrian failed to report Vista's security benefits over xp
connor33 | 10/19/09
|

I thought that I had hear it all
ExCorpGuy | 10/20/09
|
Hack Bloggers defeat Microsoft Public Relations
duclod | 10/20/09
|

Mojave experiment showed that people had a bad impression
connor33 | 10/20/09
|
 
What Happened to the Microsoft PR machine?
duclod | 10/20/09
|
  
Not exactly
Lunatic59 | 10/20/09
|
   
"small percentage of users"?
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
    
Very small percentage of users.
rtk | 10/20/09
|
     
Whose fault?
Ole Man | 10/21/09
|
 
You shouldn't let your Linux hatred
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
Chiatzu | 10/20/09
|
Your article is wrong
wolf_z | 10/20/09
|
RE: Stan57 and Linux
mrlinux | 10/20/09
|

What is wrong?
Ole Man | 10/20/09
|
 
Posing an unsatisfactory alternative
rtk | 10/20/09
|
  
Unsatisfactory to whom?
Ole Man | 10/21/09
|
   
the the other 90%+ of course.
rtk | 10/21/09
|
    
Aaaaaanh..uuunh... You don't get to detetrmine what is satisfactory
Ole Man | 10/23/09
|
     
And neither do you
rtk | 10/23/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
cne@... | 10/20/09
|

Nope, but nice try
rtk | 10/20/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
dougbf | 10/20/09
|
MS used to brag they "Ate Their Own Dogfood"
AtlantaTerry | 10/20/09
|
In my case, ABSOLUTELY!
LANShark524 | 10/20/09
|
RE: Did 'reporters' sink Vista?
ronknights | 10/20/09
|
Yes based on...
dave@... | 10/26/09
|
Of course they did
Azathothh | 10/29/09
|