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October 23rd, 2009

UPDATE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 5:09 am

Categories: Microsoft, Windows 7

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows, E-mail, Microsoft Outlook, Operating Systems, Software, Online Communications, Microsoft Office, Office Suites, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Yesterday was Windows 7’s launch day - WooHoo! Yay! PARTAY!!! - but now that the parties are over and people are settling down to actually use their PC, a potential Windows 7 Achilles’ heel emerges.

It revolves around email, specifically the fact that Windows 7 doesn’t come with a built-in email client. Windows XP had Outlook Express and Vista had Windows Mail. By comparison Windows 7 doesn’t come with an email client (saves on bloat … although Microsoft do bundle far more frivolous applications Paint, Media Player, and endless games …).

If my inbox is anything to go by, problems seem to fall into three categories:

  • Users don’t know where to find a new email client
  • Users don’t know how to migrate their data and settings
  • Users have tried to migrate their data and settings but the migration fails for some reason

I’ve never really used Outlook Express or Windows Mail (beyond a casual glance) and I don’t have any data stored in the programs so I’m somewhat at a loss when it comes to suggesting reliable fixes and workflows.

Bottom line though is that this is an issue that Microsoft needs to address. If users are finding this aspect of migration tricky, then there needs to be better help and possibly tools to help users migrate their email data and settings.

Microsoft, if you’re going to switch platforms of users, you need to make is crystal clear how to move data and settings, otherwise people will become annoyed, frustrated and angry. Expecting people to search, trawl through the file system and mess about simply isn’t an option.

[UPDATE: Installing Mozilla's Thunderbird email client is a good solution offered up by some of you ... good idea!]

[UPDATE: I'm seeing a lot of "experts" chiming in here with various points such as this is a non-issue, people should move to the cloud, no one uses OE or WM, etc. You're all missing the point here, which is that when people upgrade, they expect similar functionality. What Microsoft has done here is remove functionality and let the end user muddle through sorting it out. That's a big mistake if you want people to upgrade to your new OS.

The issue here is also one of power uses vs. the average user. Power users are hardly likely to be using WM or OE, but it seems that a lot of users do, and Microsoft has once again made one of those "we know better" decisions to remove a feature that a segment of users find useful.]

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RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces
This is an irrelevant post. People go directly to the webmail address of their email hosting company and use it that way.
Those who use a client are usually more advanced and can get around the email-client-less Windows 7.
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3 Words for you...  mjlaverty@... | 10/23/09
three words  TroutHound | 10/23/09
Good point.  eqpc | 10/23/09
Re:  mjlaverty@... | 10/23/09
gmail vs. other mail tools  TroutHound | 10/23/09
Gmail is great for most things, but I hate the flat tags.  CobraA1 | 10/23/09
gmail and tags  TroutHound | 10/23/09
I hate playing the "find the word" game.  CobraA1 | 10/23/09
Well 100 or so folders would be troublesome too!!!  mrlinux | 10/23/09
Not really.  CobraA1 | 10/23/09
Gmail is crippled  Tony R. | 10/26/09
Gmail  tealcat | 10/24/09
four words  jorjitop | 10/26/09
3 more  Economister | 10/23/09
Actually no...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/26/09
Two points:  Economister | 10/26/09
Mailer.  jhasprey@... | 10/23/09
I have used Incredimail for years and am happy with that.  ferrit@... | 10/23/09
Why  tealcat | 10/24/09
3 Words....  toml_12953 | 10/23/09
What those people should do...  James T. Kirk | 10/23/09
That answers that  macadam | 10/23/09
That answers nothing.  compudog | 10/27/09
Did you actually try to upgrade?  Earthling2 | 10/28/09
Did you actually read my post?  compudog | 10/29/09
What planet are you living on where people take responsibility for...  ye | 10/23/09
Maybe the planet  IT_User | 10/23/09
Does the following text not appear on the bottom of your copy?  ye | 10/23/09
STILL NOT THE POINT! JEEZ...  compudog | 10/27/09
Expecting too much  levinson | 10/23/09
Expecting too much? ABSOLUTELY.  compudog | 10/27/09
I shouldn't have to ask ...  Kasey156 | 10/24/09
Another one misses the point  compudog | 10/27/09
Full of yourself aren't you?  James T. Kirk | 10/28/09
Thanks!  compudog | 10/29/09
Editied. nm  James T. Kirk | 10/29/09
and if you do an upgrade....  PollyProteus | 10/23/09
What?  tealcat | 10/24/09
So would I ....  babyboomer57 | 10/26/09
News flash...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/26/09
News Flash  compudog | 10/27/09
Oh that's a great idea. (Rolls eyes.)  James T. Kirk | 10/28/09
Didn't realize.  compudog | 10/29/09
I also didn't realize  compudog | 10/29/09
Ease up cowboy.  James T. Kirk | 10/29/09
Saves on bloat?  eqpc | 10/23/09
not to mention that the definition of bloat...  ericesque | 10/23/09
Re - Saves on bloat?  Franciscus101 | 10/23/09
Good point.  eqpc | 10/23/09
Bloat had little to do with it  avatoin | 10/30/09
Email client and other "bundled" software not really important.  cornpie | 10/23/09
I didn't either ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/23/09
I agree..  eqpc | 10/23/09
If you need it  voyager529 | 10/23/09
And precisely why .......  Economister | 10/23/09
Could it be because...  rapson | 10/23/09
Or you could blame MS's past misconduct (nt)  Economister | 10/23/09
Either way...  rapson | 10/23/09
To what misconduct do you refer  compudog | 10/27/09
re: Could it be because...  none none | 10/23/09
gentle push  TroutHound | 10/23/09
They already do  voyager529 | 10/23/09
Well...  Economister | 10/23/09
Not an achilles heal by any means  medezark@... | 10/23/09
I see them everyday  k12IT | 10/23/09
RE: The last paragraph.  A none mouse Cow Herd | 10/23/09
"More and more consumers in my experience are moving towards web/cloud..."  cornpie | 10/23/09
Sorry! That was for eqpc.  A none mouse Cow Herd | 10/23/09
Me and Mail  DannyO_0x98 | 10/23/09
Parallel universe  Dogcatcher | 10/23/09
Given how much crap resellers put on new....  PollyProteus | 10/23/09
Support  Dogcatcher | 10/23/09
Resellers are already crazy...like a fox..  Wolfie2K3 | 10/26/09
Not important  compudog | 10/27/09
Another point missed by light years  compudog | 10/27/09
re:Another point missed by light years  robertleeking@... | 10/27/09
How so?  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
I wouldn't know MS' motivation,  compudog | 10/29/09
Starting to sound like republicans on healthcare  andrej770 | 10/23/09
1 fer 2 aint bad!  ericesque | 10/23/09
Thanks ole wise grammar teacher!! (sic)  andrej770 | 10/23/09
Anything to insert a bashing...  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
You obviously are a republican from your response.  andrej770 | 10/26/09
Post SHOULD have been titled ..  babyboomer57 | 10/26/09
Plus 1 (nt)  Earthling2 | 10/26/09
So...  compudog | 10/27/09
I know many outlook express/mail users  zmud | 10/23/09
Perhaps it's acknowlegement...  cornpie | 10/23/09
GOOD RIDDANCE TO OUTLOOK  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Oh, the irony!!!  Zogg | 10/23/09
To my knowledge Microsoft never claimed e-mail couln't...  ye | 10/23/09
My point is "irony".  Zogg | 10/23/09
I'm well aware of its meaning.  ye | 10/23/09
Irony... isn't that...  PollyProteus | 10/23/09
WRONG! - How about Outlook Express?  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Ah, OK - so users have been complaining.  Zogg | 10/25/09
Even better  Richard Flude | 10/23/09
Except... huh? Retired in favor of T-bird?  compudog | 10/27/09
Point of view thing with frivolous  Bill4 | 10/23/09
But paint has not been the subject of so many vulnerabilities.  cornpie | 10/23/09
Paint = Clunker? It works on small footprint.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
judging from the title  ljenux-23043766007667558234416105604265 | 10/23/09
"Why would Windows come with any software at all?"  cornpie | 10/23/09
Am I missing something (probably...)?  compudog | 10/27/09
OS X  fhil28@... | 10/27/09
"Why would Windows come with any software at all?"  DEFleener | 10/27/09
It is trivial  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
Good Question  bigsibling | 10/23/09
Because...  dchase@... | 10/23/09
I know what you mean..  NoThomas | 10/23/09
Because other operating systems  GuidingLight | 10/23/09
but bundling is evil  mdemuth | 10/23/09
"but only when MS does it."  DEFleener | 10/27/09
re: Because other operating systems  none none | 10/23/09
What advantage does total bundling give?  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
Because Apple does it?  PollyProteus | 10/23/09
saves from bloat?  ljenux-23043766007667558234416105604265 | 10/23/09
No "platform switch" involved.  hornerea | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  hmcclain4 | 10/23/09
While I generally agree with your point  macadam | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  Loverock Davidson | 10/23/09
Did they?  macadam | 10/23/09
I agree  Viva la crank dodo | 10/23/09
people asked for Outlook to be removed, as it is horrible.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Outlook was never a part of Windows  Confused by religion | 10/26/09
Win 7 start of waterfall?  Bill1William | 10/23/09
But for an OS to not have support for email built in is stupid.  bigsibling | 10/23/09
BIG difference  macadam | 10/23/09
Well said and clarified  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
re:Well said and clarified  robertleeking@... | 10/27/09
"Optimizations"  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
re: But for an OS to not have support for email built in is stupid  none none | 10/23/09
I don't understand your comment...  RicD_ | 10/23/09
It doesn't include Office either, I assume...  plino | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  bhoney@... | 10/23/09
"never heard the lack of a bundled email client "  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  GreatWhite | 10/23/09
Then don't read them  macadam | 10/23/09
"so far every blog I have read from you concerns in my opiong ********"  The Star King | 10/23/09
files and settings transfer wizard  ericesque | 10/23/09
How many configurations  macadam | 10/23/09
real easy and simple  mac@... | 10/23/09
files and settings transfer wizard  fredrp | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  sabiodun@... | 10/23/09
The real achilles heel  macadam | 10/23/09
Thunderbird  bjterry62 | 10/23/09
Doesn't have have a nice SPAM filter  Spats30 | 10/23/09
What did you expect ?  rejean.boudreau@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  dheady@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  smonty@... | 10/23/09
Windows Live Mail  bigsibling | 10/23/09
No point including what no one is using  Chad_z | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  ferrit@... | 10/23/09
This was bad, Adrian  rapson | 10/23/09
Bogus argument ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/23/09
Nobody has to suggest it  rapson | 10/23/09
No prob... for some  RDrr | 10/23/09
The problem  Michael Kelly | 10/23/09
Seems to me then...  rapson | 10/23/09
Your argument  e_ecruz | 10/23/09
As a Tech writer you ....  ShadeTree | 10/26/09
This whole thing is bad  compudog | 10/27/09
Reading is fundamental!  kam1lo.herrera | 10/23/09
You MISSED THE POINT.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Thunderbird to save the day!  Stuka | 10/23/09
That's what the Linux trolls would like you to believe all those years...  transposeIT | 10/25/09
RE: Use OPERA ...  digitrog | 10/23/09
I liked netscape, personally.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  epobirs | 10/23/09
Thunderbird  rlorenz | 10/23/09
How Is UOP Going To Survive This!!!  itanalyst2@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  epobirs | 10/23/09
OMG OMG SKY IS FALLING  aktazdevil | 10/23/09
??????  macadam | 10/23/09
And you got paid for that tripe?  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
agree  FADS_z | 10/23/09
Ooooooo TOUGH one...no brainer  Crestview | 10/23/09
Some brain may be required  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
Sorry....  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  jlutgring | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  BigD Out West | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  mheynen@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  ronharper@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  jcrow@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  wjvision1 | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  carldwoods@... | 10/23/09
Is this really all he could come up with!  rdavis65p | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  mauryblair@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  Presspop | 10/23/09
Great opportunity for Firefox / Thuderbird  BillDem | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  vger_z | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  tsiper29 | 10/23/09
How to fix it  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
The biggest crimp ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 10/23/09
True. I just sent a copule of replies about POP3.  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
The most useful reply I've seen yet on this - Thanks !  Lyf | 10/26/09
"Experts" Adrian?!  A none mouse Cow Herd | 10/23/09
Stored emails...  fredrp | 10/23/09
Try this  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
Try this  fredrp | 10/23/09
I am not a specialist...  Earthling2 | 10/25/09
Yeap.. those who point out windows live..  Been_Done_Before | 10/23/09
Those with POP3 accounts could also be affected  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
Yeap.. those who point out windows live..  fredrp | 10/23/09
Win7 Search for Mail takes you to. . .  ghalverson_z | 10/23/09
If email is important...  djchandler | 10/23/09
DUH!  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  galo71 | 10/23/09
What are the OEMs doing?  j.m.galvin | 10/23/09
Migration wizard could pull down WLM  cquirke | 10/23/09
Microsoft rarely considers the customer  Auriels_Flame | 10/23/09
The Upgrade Advisor helps with Outlook Express  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
That makes one happy  mrlinux | 10/23/09
UNBELIEVABLE!  rjohn05 | 10/23/09
Microsofts solution...  gt90v12 | 10/23/09
AKH has a very valid point  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
Not a solution - "along with"  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
What?  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
On the bottom of the Windows 7 box we find the following text:  ye | 10/23/09
WHAT!?! A brand new OS ...  OButterball | 10/23/09
You still need to download them  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
But why be so limited?  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  hondats | 10/23/09
I don't see a problem.  merc2dogs` | 10/23/09
You give too much credit to others.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Is this such a heel?  NStalnecker | 10/23/09
Hey clueless...  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  psheehan3@... | 10/23/09
You missed the point.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
Which bundle are you talking about?  Earthling2 | 10/23/09
Seriously, slow news day Adrian?  PollyProteus | 10/23/09
Seriously, you missed the point.  jrbeaman | 10/23/09
He has to come up with something to bash  connor33 | 10/26/09
Hellllooooo!  Confused by religion | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  saijagan | 10/23/09
Are these the 90% of computer users  T25 | 10/23/09
Court Problems/Antitrust Issues?  jorios_cr@... | 10/23/09
Right on.  klockheed | 10/26/09
Windows Live  PC_GEEK | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  abookcliff@... | 10/23/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  tealcat | 10/24/09
Been telling MS this for months!  cd.drake.1@... | 10/24/09
Why is it a backwards step?  Earthling2 | 10/24/09
It's called "a browser"  ejhonda | 10/24/09
Overated!  Lovrock Davidson | 10/24/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  eye4bear | 10/25/09
Are you serious?  devlin_X | 10/25/09
Tons of good stuff discovered in less than 24-hours  Earthling2 | 10/25/09
Outlook  theoxygenthief | 10/25/09
You mean this article is? wink  Earthling2 | 10/25/09
Another good earner Adrian!  tonymcs@... | 10/25/09
Another childish blog from Adrian...Sigh....  transposeIT | 10/25/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  joe620 | 10/25/09
Microsoft made it known early ....  ShadeTree | 10/26/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  chessmen | 10/26/09
Grammar error and double standard  connor33 | 10/26/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  caseymnpc | 10/26/09
Eudora 7.1 is a fine and free email client  jonrichco | 10/26/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and "The Vultures are Circling"  denzcam | 10/26/09
A couple of follow up questions  Earthling2 | 10/26/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  rfishel | 10/27/09
Can you migrate to WLM?  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  compudog | 10/27/09
You must be new here.  Zogg | 10/28/09
It is very, very hard to miss, IMO.  Earthling2 | 10/27/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  mccormick1951 | 10/28/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  mccormick1951 | 10/28/09
Disasters on Install! Endless Looping at 62%!  QueenMama | 10/28/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  aiellenon | 10/28/09
WEB MAIL!  TwighlightShadow | 10/28/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  jlovrek | 10/28/09
RE: Less than 24-hours on and a potential Windows 7 Achilles' heel surfaces  asg749d@... | 11/03/09

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