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August 22nd, 2007

More on Vista network performance issue

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 7:16 am

Categories: Vista

Tags: Audio, Performance, Network, Media, Microsoft Windows Vista, Network Performance, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

This is part 3 - Part 1 | Part 2

I’m still trying to get a handle on this Vista network performance issue, especially what causes it and what the effect is.

Here’s what we know so far:

  • Playing an audio (and it seems a video file, even if it has no audio) seems to cause a dramatic drop in network performance between two machines running 1Gbps Ethernet adaptors.
  • The cap seems artificial given the shape of the charts being produced (this is a guess, but given how reliably I can reproduce it, I’m willing to go with it for now).
  • The problem isn’t isolated to a single media player.
  • The performance drop is seen even if the media being played is paused, but with no media loaded into the player, performance is normal.
  • Starting to play an audio/video file mid file transfer causes an almost immediate drop in network performance.
  • Recording a sound file using Sound Recorder causes the same performance drop.
  • Closing down the media player seems to cause network transfer to flatline to (or close to) zero for several seconds before resuming at full speed.
  • Application of the Vista performance and stability updates (KB938194 and KB938979) does not fix the issue.
  • I can reproduce this effect on different systems, thus ruling out a single PC issue.
  • This issue does not seem to be present on XP.
  • I don’t believe that this issue is being caused by CPU or drive stress - during media playback I’m not seeing any stress on the system and I can’t reproduce the network performance drop by stressing the CPU or drives otherwise.
  • I’ve passed this information on to Microsoft, but so far I’ve received no comment.

Let me now field some questions from readers:

  • Are all versions of Vista affected?
    I can see the effect on Home Premium, Ultimate and Business.  I’ve not tried any other versions yet.
  • What about other versions of Windows?
    I’ve only tried XP and that OS doesn’t seem to be affected.
  • Do you see any odd processes float to the top of the Task Manager list when network performance is being throttled?
    I’ve looked and I can’t seen anything odd.
  • Is this related to DRM?
    No idea.  DRM in Windows Vista is very much a closed black box.  Since the issue seems to relate to audio and video playback and recording, it’s possible.
  • Is this a QoS (Quality of Service) issue?
    Maybe, but I can’t see how this kind of throttling of network performance by design.  A 50% drop in performance is a huge (and for some, completely unacceptable) drop in performance.
  • I see you’ve tried Windows Media Player.  What about iTunes/Real Player/etc (insert media playing software here)?
    I’ve tried a few different media players and all seem to cause the drop in performance.
  • Is it audio, video or both?
    Seems to be both.
  • Does a packet sniffer show up anything odd?
    I’ve only had time to look casually, but I can’t see anything out of the ordinary.
  • Is the effect noticeable at network speeds less than 1Gbps?
    Yes, although it’s not as noticeable.  On gigabit LANs I’m seeing an almost consistent 50% reduction.  Transferring files over a 100Mbps LAN seems to cause a reduction closer to 25%.  I’d want to do more study before being 100% confident of these figures.
    Image below is of a transfer from a system with a 100Mbps Ethernet adaptor to one with a 1Gbps Ethernet adaptor.
    Network performance drops on slower LANs
  • Do normal run-of-the-mill Windows theme sounds affect network transfer speeds?
    Yes, they seem to.
  • How does this affect Media Center and media extenders?
    No idea.  If you’re in a position to try this, I’d appreciate if you could let me know what the effect is.
  • Do you have a workaround?
    No.
  • Any comment from Microsoft?
    Not yet.  If/when they comment, I’ll be sure to post the information I get.

I’ll keep you posted.

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Don't think he thought so.
Thought he was only telling you what you will hear when they do reply to your RFC. (Read the rest)
Posted by: Logics Posted on: 08/25/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Shssh. Don't let George or Ed hear this problem.  Bozzer | 08/22/07
It's a configuration issue...  George_Bott | 08/22/07
That's just silly and WRONG  j.m.galvin | 08/22/07
Like the name George_Bott...  mrlinux | 08/22/07
what about "Ou_No" ?  deaf_e_kate | 08/22/07
Doesnt follow the pattern...  mrlinux | 08/22/07
how about Ou_Carroll?? i think its a song too  deaf_e_kate | 08/22/07
How about an educational aspect  MGP2 | 08/23/07
9.0  John L. Ries | 08/22/07
George will tell you in a couple of days...  mrlinux | 08/22/07
Is that George's definition of couple or the rest of the worlds? (nt)  Letophoro | 08/22/07
If it's George's . . .  JLHenry | 08/22/07
I have asked Ed directly  TripleII | 08/22/07
Maybe they are working on their apology to ...  mrlinux | 08/23/07
Hahahah  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/23/07
Are you just stupid?  mdemuth | 08/22/07
Good point, however...  TripleII | 08/22/07
Then again...  Jeremy W | 08/22/07
No sense of humour  Bozzer | 08/22/07
I have a sense of humor. Kind of...  mdemuth | 08/22/07
So your place is to bash the vista bashers.  Bozzer | 08/23/07
Sound Card???  JoseTorr | 08/22/07
RE: Sound Card?..  ruped24 | 08/22/07
One way to tell if it's relevant  John L. Ries | 08/22/07
A variety  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/23/07
Could matter...  Brakiss | 08/22/07
GREAT! Just when I got a new Vista machine  kd5auq | 08/22/07
Is it time to try?  TripleII | 08/22/07
until you try and play something that has DRM protected content  SO.CAL Guy | 08/23/07
You are not No Ax? Have you been listening to him?  Logics | 08/25/07
No Idea what just happened. Cotinuing my last post...  Logics | 08/25/07
Remember the Bloatfarm Message: The Wow is Now  Jeremy W | 08/22/07
one thing to do for sure .  hen770@... | 08/22/07
I can replicate the issue ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/23/07
Old Problem  yagijd | 08/23/07
Oh no, you have found a fault  Bozzer | 08/23/07
Now THAT'S an interesting post  kbaily05@... | 08/23/07
Would this effect Skype?  ronjeremy_69@... | 08/23/07
Not tried it ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/23/07
More whiner's here  TripleII | 08/23/07
Typical Vista Zealots response  Bozzer | 08/23/07
Dang, sorry, did the hook hurt? grin  TripleII | 08/23/07
Don't think he thought so.  Logics | 08/25/07
[Repost] Mark Russinovich tells all in Technet article!  zdnet@... | 08/23/07
no dice  ronjeremy_69@... | 08/23/07
The Fine People at Microsoftlabs I'm shure will offer conduit info with SP1  RobeTirm@... | 08/24/07
please try a TOE NIC  tmurph1810 | 08/24/07

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