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November 1st, 2007

Leopard suffers the post release blues

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 5:52 am

Categories: Apple, My Linux Experience, My Mac mini Experience

Tags: Apple Macintosh, Operating System, Microsoft Windows Vista, Bug, Leopard, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

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A few weeks ago I wondered (out loud) about how Leopard would be received by the masses.  Like Vista it’s long awaited, like Vista the launch was delayed, and like Vista, I got the impression that Apple rushed a bit to get it out of the door because the Mac fanboys were getting restless.  Leopard debuted to some really glowing reviews written by some of Apple’s biggest and most widely read fanboys, but now that the OS is in the hands the people that really matter, the feedback is far from glowing.  

I have to admit that I’m surprised and a little shocked at the types of bugs affecting Leopard, not to mention the volume of people that appear to be affectedNow, I Leopard suffers the post release bluescould begin by throwing the same stuff at the Mac crowd that they threw at the Microsoft crowd when Vista was released: “Who beta tested this stuff?”  “Only a fool buys software before waiting for the bugs to be shaken out.”  “Your OS sucks, mine’s brilliant.”  Yada yada yada … But I’m not going to.  I know that no amount of beta testing can shake all the bugs from something as complex as a new OS (and I speak as someone who’s got tens of thousands of hours of experience running beta software and who has spotted and submitted countless bugs over the years).  The beta stage is nothing more than a way to pick off the largest, most obvious bugs.  As operating systems become larger and more complex, so the number of bugs will increase, and that’s true of code written by Apple, Microsoft, or the open source community.  Once the software is out and in the hands of the end users (notorious for not using things the way that they were intended to be used), from that point on the order of the day is damage limitation.

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That said, I have to admit that I’m surprised and a little shocked at the types of bugs affecting Leopard, not to mention the volume of people that appear to be affected.  I expected a few random issues, along with a few minor bugs splattered here and there, but I certainly didn’t dream that I would be reading widespread reports of BSODs (Blue Screens of Death, usually associated with Windows boxes), crashes and severe performance issues.  There’s also a pretty major flaw affecting FileVault too.  Many of these issues affect those upgrading over the top of their existing OS, but others are reporting similar issues with clean installs.

Oh, and let’s not forget the new Mac Trojan.  This isn’t getting a lot of press but it’s pretty significant because it’s the first time that a professional malware group has targeted Mac users.  Remember, these guys are only following the money.

Some Apple users are so frustrated that they are considering going down the same road that some Vista users have gone down - and reverting back to the previous version of the OS.

Now I’m going to be honest and say that I’ve not seen any of these bugs that people are talking about.  Partly that’s down to my Mac being a clean install running nothing but the Mac OS, but I’m also sure that it’s down to me and the fact that I’m not using it to anywhere close to its full potential.  I’m hoping that updates are released before any of this stuff becomes an issue for me.

For an operating system that goes so far to promote ease of use and reliability, these issues currently plaguing Leopard could have an adverse effect on how the OS is received by the wider community.  If these problems aren’t addressed promptly Leopard could end up with the same tagline as Vista - Stick with your current OS and wait for the next version.

Thoughts?

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Master Joe Says...The Proof
First of all, I apologize for one thing I was not too clear on. I did not mean smaller updates from XP to Vista as opposed to Tiger to Leopard, which would be known as an UPGRADE by the way, but rath... (Read the rest)
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The Trojan also affects Tiger  crgray | 11/01/07
Right you are.  ajv123 | 11/01/07
As soon as the word 'Fanboy' is used, I stop reading.  BitTwiddler | 11/01/07
Nothing wrong with stating the OBVIOUS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Obvious? Really?  Laff | 11/01/07
This was an ugly upgrade  frgough | 11/01/07
heh heh heh ...two out of 3 ain't bad I'm told...:P  Laff | 11/01/07
It could be related to the other two  frgough | 11/01/07
Those are the same questions  xuniL_z | 11/01/07
Emotion versus Logic  toddo12 | 11/02/07
Re: those are the same questions  mandehu@... | 11/04/07
English....sure thing, that was not  xuniL_z | 11/05/07
Really?  ajv123 | 11/01/07
Spewing venom on the wrong person  frgough | 11/01/07
thats not a bug...  doh123 | 11/01/07
Hacking...  macpipkin | 11/01/07
Paranoic are we?  esszakacs@... | 11/02/07
...  Spiritusindomit@... | 11/02/07
You should have stopped  ajv123 | 11/01/07
yes, but...  josephmartins | 11/02/07
You have to understand the mentality of Mac users  MacGeek2121 | 11/02/07
True both ways  ajole | 11/02/07
Apple Fanboys exist. So do Windows Fanboys. There is a marked difference.  Cayble | 11/02/07
Cayble. How many times do we need to tell you...  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
MTMacPhee is right !  Jkirk3279 | 11/02/07
I agree, by sheer number...  Cayble | 11/03/07
Well, lets say I agree totally, so what.  Cayble | 11/03/07
Well, Cayble, Security is infinitely better  MTMacPhee | 11/05/07
Tired  Chiatzu | 11/03/07
Leopard suffers the post release blues  coopermi | 11/04/07
Nice theories, but BS  Crestview | 11/03/07
Opposite of My Experience  Cardhu | 11/04/07
Apples & Oranges  doctorfuzion | 11/02/07
Once again...  Cayble | 11/02/07
One might reasonably expect an OS that took  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
You don't think...  Mujibahr | 11/03/07
No.  MTMacPhee | 11/03/07
Wow does it work!  Mujibahr | 11/04/07
What?  Crestview | 11/03/07
Well, you've just found..  msalzberg | 11/03/07
Yeah "open mind" one direction  Crestview | 11/02/07
On the other hand....  Cayble | 11/02/07
You are so Correct  Richard Turpin | 11/03/07
That is YOUR assessment  Crestview | 11/03/07
Oh how the bubble has burst...  Scrat | 11/01/07
NO AV needed  itguy08 | 11/01/07
Wake up  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Why?  itguy08 | 11/01/07
Neither can Vista.  ye | 11/01/07
No need there either  voska | 11/01/07
Bingo!  ye | 11/01/07
gahh, people like you...  ivanotter | 11/01/07
I seriously doubt that  itguy08 | 11/01/07
You tell me. You're the one in doubt.  ye | 11/01/07
IE 7  ajv123 | 11/01/07
Oh wise and mighty one  MacCanuck | 11/01/07
mmmmmoh boy  xuniL_z | 11/02/07
I've had my head in the sand. Possibly  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
There was a blog from last week in which  xuniL_z | 11/05/07
Stay tuned  Crestview | 11/03/07
Time for your virus infection  ajv123 | 11/01/07
lets be real  Protector | 11/01/07
Ditto for most OSs  notsofast | 11/01/07
effective  lysdexia | 11/02/07
I would have to say  alaniane@... | 11/02/07
Wake me!  rlambert@... | 11/05/07
Public service message  Mike Cox, Sr. | 11/01/07
Isn't it amazing....  BitTwiddler | 11/01/07
Admin password required to run it  crgray | 11/01/07
social engineering  ivanotter | 11/01/07
Admin Password  ahumeniy | 11/02/07
Rootkits  alaniane@... | 11/02/07
If the trojan  alaniane@... | 11/02/07
Anti-virus  ajv123 | 11/01/07
Relations Were Not Sets in the 60s, oops, title for a L'Unix Resp.  DannyO_0x98 | 11/01/07
Mac users are too 'High Brow' to get infected  Mujibahr | 11/03/07
Why AV software in this case?  JoshNorton | 11/01/07
Provider here...  macpipkin | 11/01/07
Better than Vista, but too many annoyances  itguy08 | 11/01/07
Key comment:...  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Not at all  itguy08 | 11/01/07
Interesting difference  itpro_z | 11/01/07
My experience is almost the opposite...  msalzberg | 11/03/07
Does that ever sound familiar...  MacCanuck | 11/01/07
Yes, I agree.  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Marketshare thing?  xuniL_z | 11/02/07
Better than Vista.....  xuniL_z | 11/01/07
What hallucinogen...  Mike Cox, Sr. | 11/01/07
Perhaps you should check the new numbers  itpro_z | 11/01/07
running Vista64  ivanotter | 11/01/07
Keep in mind...  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Yep  Thralni | 11/02/07
Yeah guess so.  ivanotter | 11/02/07
How to get off topic  tomam | 11/02/07
There is a HUGE difference between behind  xuniL_z | 11/02/07
the level of mentality it took to use that nic  Ole Man | 11/02/07
Interesting you ask that.  xuniL_z | 11/05/07
Put the keyboard down - you have no clue  itguy08 | 11/01/07
Which businesses?  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Why the personal attack?  xuniL_z | 11/02/07
Fast is not a speed; glue is fast.  lysdexia | 11/02/07
Actually, what you say is only  alaniane@... | 11/02/07
Stoned on really bad drugs I see.  Cayble | 11/03/07
oh god...  ivanotter | 11/01/07
Do you even know what 64-bit means?  brad@... | 11/12/07
You forgot something  Crestview | 11/03/07
Do you think that 'I 8 The Cat' will chage his name to 'I 8 The Horse'? (NT  Mujibahr | 11/01/07
running leopard as an update  Voodoo187 | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  aoleon | 11/01/07
i've had some issues...  doctorSpoc | 11/01/07
Leopard of the Yard  DannyO_0x98 | 11/01/07
its; data don't  lysdexia | 11/02/07
Just like you  MarcB_z | 11/01/07
That is what I'm doing. Wait and see....  Laff | 11/01/07
Example of Ultimate Optimism  laura.b | 11/01/07
What is safe?  Laff | 11/01/07
hmm  Badgered | 11/01/07
One Trojan vs ?  Laff | 11/01/07
Not the only one....  Badgered | 11/01/07
Absolutely correct.  xuniL_z | 11/05/07
of course Macs are vulnerable to this Trojan....  doh123 | 11/01/07
No, wait a second  laura.b | 11/01/07
I think my attitude might have been different if  Laff | 11/01/07
I find it amusing as well  laura.b | 11/01/07
Well......  Laff | 11/01/07
Pretty much, but  laura.b | 11/01/07
Why would your anecdotal evidence  xuniL_z | 11/02/07
Lol! I can't help but laugh at this:  ye | 11/02/07
site  lysdexia | 11/02/07
I was about to punt the OS  DebianDog | 11/01/07
Hope this works for me  ThomBombadil | 11/03/07
I am not surprised  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Nice to see...  Mike Cox, Sr. | 11/01/07
Why are we here?  itpro_z | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  jwhite@... | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  mollenhourb@... | 11/01/07
Everybody has fanboys  JayMonster | 11/01/07
Funny!  Mike Cox, Sr. | 11/01/07
Are you serious?  balsover | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  deejohn@... | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  labarker | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  Ron Thomas | 11/01/07
Apple's getting big. Just like...  Narg | 11/01/07
Apple is not getting big. It is big.  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
If Steve is looking past Microsoft...  rtk | 11/02/07
Market Caps. Read 'em and weep!  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
Honestly,  rtk | 11/03/07
Sorry, bud. You're living in the past.  MTMacPhee | 11/03/07
Here's another source.  rtk | 11/03/07
Re: the Fortune 500 data for 2007  MTMacPhee | 11/03/07
Check your history  Crestview | 11/03/07
Rubbish.  MTMacPhee | 11/08/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  DrByte | 11/01/07
Adrian suffers post release blues  Paul4 | 11/01/07
And the difference between Vista and Leopard is?  soonerproud | 11/01/07
Adrian: story on old features missing in Leopard?  alieninvader@... | 11/01/07
Apple is now in uncharted territory  NonZealot | 11/01/07
As the market share grows...  ItsTheBottomLine | 11/01/07
true... but  doh123 | 11/01/07
Message has been deleted.  ivanotter | 11/02/07
Message has been deleted.  lysdexia | 11/02/07
Much Ado about Maybe Not Much  galley | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  ms@... | 11/01/07
So it's turning out exactly as everyone has predicted.  butler360 | 11/01/07
ridiculose; malware = adware, spyware; iPhone's cheapper than other  lysdexia | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  OJB | 11/01/07
Leopard vs. Vista  DavidASmith | 11/01/07
Experiences will vary...  ItsTheBottomLine | 11/01/07
2nd  halonotjlo@... | 11/01/07
Upgrade  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Agreed  soonerproud | 11/01/07
Another method...  itpro_z | 11/01/07
Ultimate:  ivanotter | 11/02/07
set up; one != they  lysdexia | 11/02/07
The most interesting thing..."...Stalking..."  ItsTheBottomLine | 11/01/07
yea i figured he would be here ranting away lol (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 11/02/07
He's too busy.  rtk | 11/02/07
There is no "blue screen of death".  Resuna | 11/01/07
Stop using AV then.  tim@... | 11/01/07
I don't use antivirus.  Resuna | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  rbsweet@... | 11/01/07
Bugs?  rbsweet@... | 11/01/07
Bad Job Adrian  i8thecat | 11/01/07
Ideological denial  tonymcs@... | 11/01/07
hate to disagree..  ivanotter | 11/02/07
its  lysdexia | 11/02/07
or its'  Mujibahr | 11/02/07
Truth in TalkBack  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
Oh well...........  FXEF | 11/01/07
Hey! I like it.  bmilton@... | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  superfunkomatic@... | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  Sir_bobbyuk | 11/01/07
BSOD?  macpipkin | 11/01/07
FUD you, pal.  JoeBob_z | 11/01/07
Are we a little over defensive?  Crestview | 11/03/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  TCollinsG3 | 11/01/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  Linux User 147560 | 11/01/07
Complete OVERREACTION!  jhewell@... | 11/02/07
blue screen of death where  wcallman@... | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  mmparke@... | 11/02/07
Wow. Vista compared as equal to Leopard??  JoeysLapTop | 11/02/07
I have used both OS  IBMpreferred | 11/02/07
Intel  lysdexia | 11/02/07
I keep telling them  Crestview | 11/03/07
same on OS X  lysdexia | 11/08/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  aaronmiller@... | 11/02/07
blue screen  plokoonpma | 11/02/07
no serious issue with mine  josephmartins | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  ceo@... | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  hansoff | 11/02/07
Laugh away...  DrByte | 11/02/07
assumes facts not in evidence...  rtk | 11/02/07
A "disaster"?  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
YOU are correct sir!  Crestview | 11/03/07
bug culture  trm1945 | 11/02/07
SMB Windows Share Issues  kirk@... | 11/02/07
Do you think it would help if Microsoft  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 11/02/07
Proof, please.  MTMacPhee | 11/02/07
Blasphemy!!!  Mujibahr | 11/03/07
It's not so much a matter of blasphemy as truth.  MTMacPhee | 11/05/07
Scot Finnie, ComputerWorld  MTMacPhee | 11/07/07
Finnie was bought by Apple last year.  rtk | 11/07/07
Yes, it's really too bad that he doesn't have the  MTMacPhee | 11/08/07
Walt Mossberg, Wall Street Journal  MTMacPhee | 11/08/07
Unsupported Hardware - USE to work in Tiger  tomtorre@... | 11/02/07
separate  lysdexia | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  phatkat | 11/02/07
Love the double standard  PC Geek | 11/02/07
Leopard upgrade went perfectly.......  WakkoWarner | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  drylight | 11/02/07
OOOHHHHHH! Hippocrit, aye?  Crestview | 11/02/07
Most excellent  Crestview | 11/02/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  xwolver@... | 11/02/07
Leapord VS Vista VS Linux ... is this some WWF match?  pawan@... | 11/02/07
Tens of thousands of hours?  timpin1@... | 11/03/07
That may include  Crestview | 11/03/07
LIAR, LIAR...  QueenMama | 11/03/07
65,000 Bugs  intuitivek3@... | 11/03/07
Open Minded? You?  Kark12 | 11/03/07
Pure MS Astroturffing  bitbucket@... | 11/04/07
not quite  rtk | 11/04/07
How about...  msalzberg | 11/04/07
Oh! That was cruel, msalzberg.  MTMacPhee | 11/08/07
Oh, and let's not forget..  msalzberg | 11/04/07
That quote says exactly what I did.  rtk | 11/04/07
Re: So Long Apple  Cardhu | 11/05/07
I think you got it backwards.  rtk | 11/05/07
Non sequiter  Cardhu | 11/05/07
Rescued?  rtk | 11/07/07
Well, no.  msalzberg | 11/05/07
So, there's little reason to upgrade...  rtk | 11/05/07
Again, you are having trouble..  msalzberg | 11/05/07
Let's check out the quote...  rtk | 11/05/07
Your reading comprehension..  msalzberg | 11/06/07
Computerworld:  msalzberg | 11/06/07
It's Not Lack of Comprehension  Cardhu | 11/07/07
Re: as soon as i see fanboy...  mandehu@... | 11/04/07
Leopard Blues  DenysB | 11/05/07
Re: fanboys et al  mandehu@... | 11/06/07
And Actual Knowledge  Cardhu | 11/07/07
RE: Leopard suffers the post release blues  pablito@... | 11/06/07
Two Reasons  Cardhu | 11/07/07
Master Joe Says...The Proof  MasterJoe | 11/21/07

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