in theory...
lostarchitect | 11/05/07
|

oh, i see.
lostarchitect | 11/05/07
|
 
Vista: loosing files when copying more than 16'384 files since last boot
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
  
Nice try
rtk | 11/06/07
|
   
what's important ? Nice "goodies" or a well working file system ?
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
    
wahuh?
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Nice try
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
Source?
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Vista DOES cause data loss !
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
No, it doesn't.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Yes, Vista DOES cause data loss ... here 2 Sources
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
re: sloer@
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
data loss - i say it NOW if you wish
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
The links and complaint are odd.
notsofast | 11/06/07
|
     
So I copy my files...
Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 11/06/07
|
     
delete AFTER checking if anything is there
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
    
Out of Memory does not cause data loss ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Vista causes data loss
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
No, it doesn't.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
    
Duhhh...
thx-1138_@... | 11/07/07
|
   
bug vs feature
xwerfx | 11/06/07
|
    
How long does it takes to fix it ? Leopard versus Vista !
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
Spell much?
kzm1 | 11/06/07
|
     
Vista: losing files ... not loosing files (sorry)
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
Microsoft already fixed it
ryanmc | 11/06/07
|
     
It's NOT AT ALL relosved by Microsoft !!!
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
Where does that support link say...
xuniL_z | 11/07/07
|
     
Microsoft does not tell all they know, of course
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
   
You didn't notice -
spacecase2 | 11/07/07
|
  
Wow....16,384 files copyied at one time
laura.b | 11/06/07
|
   
True colors at last
frgough | 11/06/07
|
    
no lost data or crashing
ryanmc | 11/06/07
|
     
Vista: data lost or not lost - who knows ?
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
    
Well there was never any doubt ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
any doubt with me ?
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
There is no doubt and you are the ...
ShadeTree | 11/07/07
|
     
Sorry, i'm new on Mac's --- just kicking out Microsoft's Buxx-Shxx
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
    
You're right
laura.b | 11/07/07
|
    
But...
thx-1138_@... | 11/08/07
|
   
laura.b tells be how many files i should copy !
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
    
When I backup my files I use Windows backup ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
**** in - **** out
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
     
Based on your logic
xuniL_z | 11/09/07
|
    
Ummm....
AmraLeo | 11/07/07
|
     
what's the title of this blog ?
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
    
It kind of does
laura.b | 11/07/07
|
     
Cumulative copy -
spacecase2 | 11/07/07
|
    
laura.b insists: 16'384 files are acceptable limit !!!
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
     
Enoujgh of this canard already.
rtk | 11/07/07
|
     
I am starting to wonder
laura.b | 11/07/07
|
     
OK, with 16'385 files i am asking too much from Vista
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
     
ponder ... upset about ... i make a break
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
   
when I backup
Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 11/06/07
|
    
Keep on checking your Vista-backups !
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
   
Files lost - hourglass spinning -
spacecase2 | 11/07/07
|
    
But let me guess....
rtk | 11/07/07
|
  
Can you replicate that bug.
Species8472 | 11/07/07
|
   
I can, anytime
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|

Supposed to be -
spacecase2 | 11/07/07
|

"Move", or "Copy"
orthocross | 11/07/07
|
Moving files, not copying them?
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/05/07
|

Hold down the Command key while dragging files to a different volume
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/06/07
|
 
Buzzzz, guess again...
comp_indiana | 11/06/07
|
  
Yes, you can...
rtk | 11/06/07
|
  
Read the article and come back ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Same with win2000 and XP.
xuniL_z | 11/07/07
|
So I see that you ARE moving the files
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/05/07
|

Stop trying to spin this
toadlife | 11/05/07
|
 
Apple cant make Mistakes
5ri | 11/06/07
|
  
I don't know about downplay
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
 
I think it's sad
fredsmith6 | 11/06/07
|
 
They have no choice but to spin this.
ye | 11/06/07
|
  
Nobody is spinning
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
 
Happens in Windows too
WeedHopper | 11/06/07
|
  
It does not happen with Windows!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
   
Watched it happen
WeedHopper | 11/06/07
|
    
I have one thing to say to that!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Last response
WeedHopper | 11/06/07
|
     
I and the others responding to your claim ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
And why is it not plausible??
fadzlan@... | 11/06/07
|
    
Wise advice
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
     
Garbage!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
    
Hmmm...
Selvarin | 11/06/07
|
    
I cannot replicate this no matter how hard
xuniL_z | 11/07/07
|
   
You can't say that with any authority
ShadowT | 11/06/07
|
    
there is a difference
tech_ed@... | 11/06/07
|
    
I can say it with authority.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Steps
ShadowT | 11/06/07
|
     
Doesn't help at all
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
The depth of ignorance
Freebird54 | 11/06/07
|
     
In the wonderful world of software...
fadzlan@... | 11/06/07
|
     
I work for one of the top 3 ...
ShadeTree | 11/07/07
|
     
Freebird54. Let's put this in context.
xuniL_z | 11/09/07
|
  
I just tested it
Badgered | 11/06/07
|
   
Confirmed
frgough | 11/06/07
|
    
that is ugly
Badgered | 11/06/07
|
     
No kidding
frgough | 11/06/07
|
    
Moving data in a fog
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
     
Simple.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
probably because
Badgered | 11/06/07
|
     
Verifying a copy in Mac OS X is really simple
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/07/07
|
     
re: Verifying a copy
Badgered | 11/07/07
|
     
Not so easy ...
ShadeTree | 11/07/07
|
     
re: Verifying a copy in Mac OS X is really simple
rtk | 11/07/07
|
 
You can play russian roulette with your data if you want
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
  
Hear hear!
musician88 | 11/06/07
|
   
Funny you mention Time Machine .
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
    
Hardly...
musician88 | 11/06/07
|
     
Your motives are obvious.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
The facts are what this article and the one about ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
    
Shady Tree
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/06/07
|
     
Your joking, right?
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
  
I back up my data
toadlife | 11/06/07
|
  
Oh I agree
Badgered | 11/07/07
|
 
Wrong
lotisb | 11/06/07
|
  
It is exactly the same process as ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
I did a cut/paste
aussieblnd@... | 11/06/07
|
  
(nt)No. Cut and Paste moves files in Windows.
toadlife | 11/06/07
|

Not for geeks only
johns1000@... | 11/06/07
|

fI agree...
BitTwiddler | 11/06/07
|
 
Another Apple Apologist Heard from.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
  
Apple Apologists
Harry Bardal | 11/06/07
|
   
Sorry Harry, that isn't good enough!!
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
   
Finally a voice of reason
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Reasons a Person would MOVE rather than COPY
racingmustang | 11/06/07
|

Not True!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|

You're kidding right?
Badgered | 11/06/07
|

Says who?
Chad_z | 11/06/07
|
repeat
kriskl | 11/06/07
|

OSX doesnt move the files when on the same volume...
mrOSX | 11/06/07
|

Except that the problem described ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
GeneticGenesis | 11/06/07
|
Microsoft Shill on the loose
imacwesker | 11/06/07
|

Apple shill responds.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Apple Shill got a brain
imacwesker | 11/06/07
|
  
Damage your drive?
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
  
External hard drives ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
  
And in addition to this,
Azriphale | 11/06/07
|
   
holy COW guys. think from that guys perspective...
dbkelley@... | 11/06/07
|

Do you know HOW to read?
EndUserMike | 11/06/07
|
 
Don't kick an iMac!!
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
  
The ShadeTree and NonZealot tag team are at it again
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/07/07
|
   
ah, don't worry
xuniL_z | 11/07/07
|
    
Funny. You sound like me
YinToYourYang-22527499 | 11/07/07
|
     
That would make you....
xuniL_z | 11/08/07
|
   
I don't know if you have noticed but
Intellihence | 11/12/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
bahamude | 11/06/07
|

Except this doesn't occur in Windows.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Except it does
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
  
It does not...
robert.mare@... | 11/06/07
|
  
Wrong!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
   
how to lose data in Windows
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
    
So, I guess you'll have to trouble posting a video of this bug on windows?
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Bug hunt or goose chase?
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
     
Nice deflection
rtk | 11/06/07
|
    
Never had it happen in Windows
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|
     
Never had it happen
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
     
to bahamude
Badgered | 11/06/07
|
     
More to bahamude
FatherJ | 11/06/07
|
     
Clarification
bahamude | 11/08/07
|
    
Personal experience != Expertise
FatherJ | 11/06/07
|
     
thank you
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|
     
Correction...
FatherJ | 11/06/07
|
     
Faith != Expertise
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
     
re: bahamude
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
re:Shadetree
bahamude | 11/08/07
|
    
Apples to oranges
beatphreek | 11/06/07
|
    
It is really very simple.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Reworded for reality
Freebird54 | 11/06/07
|
    
Cameras do not necessarily use windows move command functionality
Lfraz | 11/06/07
|
  
uh.
Azriphale | 11/06/07
|
   
Clarification
bahamude | 11/08/07
|

Huh?
tech_ed@... | 11/06/07
|
 
Move
bahamude | 11/08/07
|
MAN!!!!
Laff | 11/06/07
|

Vista from the very beginning did not ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Yeah real serious.... oh wait not so much.
Laff | 11/06/07
|
  
Your ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
   
You are too funny my friend.....too funny:P
Laff | 11/06/07
|
    
If it was your data.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Tru Dat
Laff | 11/06/07
|
    
Wireless Users
cywelchjr | 11/06/07
|
     
Nor does your "Average" user both to make backups
Laff | 11/06/07
|
     
Did you read that in the Apple Apologist Manual?
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
It is a bug that is not in question even by the likes of me..:P
Laff | 11/06/07
|
     
READ it!?! Mac users don't read manuals!!!!
Laff | 11/06/07
|
    
Okay, Jim...
laura.b | 11/06/07
|
    
And I agree with you Laura...:P
Laff | 11/06/07
|
     
Agree 100%
laura.b | 11/06/07
|

Are you kidding?
xuniL_z | 11/06/07
|
 
I'm never really sure if I'm serious or not....
Laff | 11/07/07
|
  
Excellent post! We are just trying to help you out.
NonZealot | 11/07/07
|
   
You call this abuse...dude you don't know abuse:P
James Quinn | 11/07/07
|
    
Well tell us then
xuniL_z | 11/08/07
|
   
The almighty zealot has spoken .
Intellihence | 11/12/07
|
  
Not following?
xuniL_z | 11/08/07
|
So, let me get this straight
frgough | 11/06/07
|

You don't have to modify default behavior ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
The DEFAULT behavior
frgough | 11/06/07
|
  
The default behavior when pressing the Command key ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
   
Nice try
frgough | 11/06/07
|
    
No data to support the claim ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
It's a very safe assumption
frgough | 11/06/07
|
     
Partially correct!
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Supporting Data
frgough | 11/06/07
|
     
You are ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Severity
frgough | 11/06/07
|
     
Why is it that Windows users are guilty of ...
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Thinking of someone else.
frgough | 11/06/07
|
     
Nice spin
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
     
Spinning round and round
frgough | 11/06/07
|
     
Which is it?
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
    
Why even report this so prominently?
musician88 | 11/06/07
|
     
What are you suggesting?
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Nothing so dark and conspiratorial
frgough | 11/06/07
|

IT'S THE USER'S FAULT!!
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
 
I didn't say it was the user's fault.
frgough | 11/06/07
|
  
This has nothing to do with Vista
FatherJ | 11/06/07
|
   
Please take time to actually read
frgough | 11/06/07
|

And everything is right in the world
xuniL_z | 11/09/07
|
Let's look at this rationally, shall we?
NetArch. | 11/06/07
|

IT'S SAMBA'S FAULT!!
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
 
No, it's NOT SAMBA'S FAULT, It's APPLE's fault
royalstream | 11/06/07
|
  
This bug isn't just on SAMBA drives
rtk | 11/06/07
|

Nope, it's a Leopard bug
frgough | 11/06/07
|
 
On other words...
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
  
Of the 2 million Leopard sales so far...
rtk | 11/06/07
|
   
Is that just an example or better put how would anyone
Laff | 11/06/07
|
    
The poster claimed this would "only" affect 0.1%.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
     
Oh and I doubt it will be that many...
Laff | 11/06/07
|
     
Pagan Jim's technique
xuniL_z | 11/08/07
|
     
Message has been deleted.
NonZealot | 11/08/07
|
     
Message has been deleted.
xuniL_z | 11/09/07
|
  
Message has been deleted.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
   
Message has been deleted.
frgough | 11/06/07
|
    
Message has been deleted.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
Apple Users
cywelchjr | 11/06/07
|

Agreed
bahamude | 11/06/07
|
 
Message has been deleted.
RocketEater | 11/06/07
|
  
Looks like no one knows what's going on
bahamude | 11/08/07
|

Good point! (NT)
JCitizen | 11/06/07
|
How does MOVE REALLY work?
bahamude | 11/06/07
|

IT'S WINDOWS' FAULT!!
NonZealot | 11/06/07
|
 
It shouldn't
rapson | 11/06/07
|
 
IT'
bahamude | 11/06/07
|

No.
Azriphale | 11/06/07
|

Green light over the air...
royalstream | 11/06/07
|
 
LOL!
RocketEater | 11/06/07
|
Why COPY and DELETE is not OK to replace MOVE
racingmustang | 11/06/07
|

gotta know your systems capabilities
jreidthompson | 11/06/07
|

Creation date myth
musician88 | 11/06/07
|

Agreed ...
royalstream | 11/06/07
|

Even more critical
tech_ed@... | 11/06/07
|
 
Good Call Ed!
racingmustang | 11/06/07
|
 
Agreed but Mac to Win?
bahamude | 11/09/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
jim@... | 11/06/07
|
I'm not sure why I bother posting these comments...
Bugbyte | 11/06/07
|

Not really
rapson | 11/06/07
|
 
Funny
musician88 | 11/06/07
|

Whew! Thanks! Boy what a relief!....
JCitizen | 11/06/07
|
It does happen
bahamude | 11/06/07
|

doesn't happen
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|
 
Huh?
jragosta | 11/06/07
|
  
not at all
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|

not a very good IT manager
tech_ed@... | 11/06/07
|
 
To Ed
bahamude | 11/08/07
|

Source Machine crash
cywelchjr | 11/06/07
|
Serious Issue.
bmilton@... | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
Cobra031 | 11/06/07
|
And you call that a bug?
musician88 | 11/06/07
|

Here is why...
racingmustang | 11/06/07
|

No, this is a bug.
frgough | 11/06/07
|

uhhh...
tech_ed@... | 11/06/07
|

You really are full of it.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
 
?
musician88 | 11/06/07
|
  
Wrong again.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
Isn't it actually tied?
TripleII | 11/06/07
|

For sure..
JCitizen | 11/06/07
|

Silent copy failure
frgough | 11/06/07
|
 
It depends.
TripleII | 11/06/07
|
  
In my opinion
frgough | 11/06/07
|
   
Yep, both are severe.
TripleII | 11/06/07
|
It happens on Windows!!
johndifo | 11/06/07
|

Looking forward to watching the video.
rtk | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
jeff.page@... | 11/06/07
|

while you may understand that
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
mollenhourb@... | 11/06/07
|
This is a ridiculous FUD based article
comp_indiana | 11/06/07
|

Interesting
Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 11/06/07
|

It was a Mac expert that first discovered the issue.
ShadeTree | 11/06/07
|
Leopard Creation and modify Dates - SAFE!
musician88 | 11/06/07
|

never heard of a write cache I guess....
rtk | 11/06/07
|
 
Community?
musician88 | 11/06/07
|
Ridicoulous to say: don't use MOVE
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|

Better put don't move on fragile connections....:P
Laff | 11/06/07
|
Horrible bug found in Vista...
comp_indiana | 11/06/07
|

aside from the fact that
Paul Fletcher | 11/06/07
|

Here is the issue...
Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 11/06/07
|
STOP MOVING FILES AROUND
WarrenZ | 11/06/07
|
Data loss never acceptable...
SumoDad | 11/06/07
|

One hopes.
jeremyc@... | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
union pier | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
OKJoe | 11/06/07
|
OK, let's call it what it is...
Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
Atilla the Snail | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
phatkat | 11/06/07
|
There is one way in windows 3rd party apps
Lfraz | 11/06/07
|

please give Sources about WD error !
sloer@... | 11/06/07
|
Can Leopard actually do anything right?
Scrat | 11/06/07
|

Where were you?
frgough | 11/06/07
|
 
I was trying to find
Badgered | 11/07/07
|
this happened in older OS versions too
Hobyx | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
tahoeblue | 11/06/07
|
is there an rsync version for OSX?
A.Lizard | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
The Ash Man | 11/06/07
|
WWwwhhhhaaaaattt?
Crestview | 11/06/07
|
Read and Review
Immortalarena@... | 11/06/07
|

ridiculous !!!
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
 
do you honestly believe yelling helps your cause?
rtk | 11/07/07
|
  
I agree, yelling does not help mutch - unfortunately
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
   
Logic would work better...
rtk | 11/07/07
|

Additional Testing needed etc. - probably written by Microsoft's lawyers !
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
 
Jesus, worked yourself into a real lather, eh?
rtk | 11/07/07
|
  
lather YES, Jesus NO
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
   
Lather, rinse, and repeat... endlessly.
rtk | 11/07/07
|
Data loss when copying a directory
brike@... | 11/06/07
|

OS WARS
becabill@... | 11/06/07
|
 
You bet
Chiatzu | 11/08/07
|
re: "...Leopard bug beats..."
Loggies | 11/06/07
|
RE: This Leopard bug beats anything Vista has to offer
daves1646 | 11/06/07
|
ALL versions of OS X have this SAME friggin bug
cartoonasaurus | 11/07/07
|

Proposal / RFC
sloer@... | 11/07/07
|
The Best Protection Against Losing Data
Cardhu | 11/07/07
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Verify your backups !
sloer@... | 11/07/07
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Solution for Poor Quality Software
johnfenjackson@... | 11/07/07
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More crappy training, probably
JelMin | 11/07/07
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who the heck MOVES files instead of COPYing them?
jgreene777@... | 11/07/07
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Ummm, everyone?
rtk | 11/07/07
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Is "ComputerWorld" known to be Mac biased?
Laff | 11/07/07
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Journalists by default
Paul Fletcher | 11/07/07
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How so?
Laff | 11/07/07
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Well, if not before, they are now!
Sonny Maou | 11/07/07
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While I agree it is a problem and yes a bug still I
Laff | 11/07/07
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Leopard has shown failure in core areas
Sonny Maou | 11/07/07
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Look repeated the same bug in various ways does
Laff | 11/07/07
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I'm sure Apple would appreciate it if you let them in on the secret
Sonny Maou | 11/07/07
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Hmmmm now I have an iMac and yet the only
James Quinn | 11/07/07
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Only Apple users apologize for free
NonZealot | 11/07/07
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I'm not the guy who made that statement....
James Quinn | 11/07/07
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That is how you would do it?
xuniL_z | 11/09/07
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Finnie is, not sure about computerworld as a whole.
rtk | 11/07/07
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How do I know this?
Laff | 11/07/07
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Uhmmmm - does anyone remember -
spacecase2 | 11/07/07
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doesnt happen
Paul Fletcher | 11/07/07
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This is UNIX
dlmeyer@... | 11/07/07
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"Nice Try..."
orthocross | 11/07/07
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Apple's Turn In The Barrel...
Kromaethius | 11/07/07
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"Leaper"?
NonZealot | 11/07/07
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Except
Hamlet_z | 11/07/07
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YOU beat anything Leopard AND Vista have to offer
sloer@... | 11/07/07
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What is a Zealot ?
sloer@... | 11/07/07
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Not true ... monetary compensation not needed
TG2 | 11/08/07
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One problem that I see with your post...
Laff | 11/08/07
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Correct
bahamude | 11/08/07
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I've seen data loss both on the local machine and ...
JCitizen | 11/09/07
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Never buy a new OS right out the gate
DarthRidiculous | 11/11/07
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Gerald, that's fine advice.
xuniL_z | 11/12/07
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Would never upgrade to Leopard
kimsuhome | 11/12/07
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This is why...
John Musbach | 11/13/07
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Too bad OS X forces you to do that
NonZealot | 11/13/07
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This (fast) Apple response beats anything Microsoft has to offer
sloer@... | 11/21/07
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Ease of exploit
dbisse@... | 12/05/07
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(Better) Linux beats anything that either Apple or Microsoft has to offer!
LinuxOwns | 12/05/07
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