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September 29th, 2009

XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it

Posted by Zack Whittaker @ 4:26 am

Categories: Discussion, Environment, Gratuitous rant, Microsoft, Money, Productivity, University, e-Learning

Tags: Desktop, Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows Vista, Lecture, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Zack Whittaker

The question I posed a few months ago was whether Windows Vista would live to die another day? It seems no, no it shall not. Today, through first hand experience on two occasions, it died entirely of its own accord.

My place of work and education, the University of Kent, went through a major upgrade over the summer which prompted me to write about this in the first place. Quoting from the original article, they announced:

“It is intended to roll Vista out on our student desktops during the summer see the Information Services’ paper to be presented to the University’s Computer User’s Panel next week.

Although it seems that the upgrade has been performed well and everything went smoothly after speaking to IT staff earlier on, the subsequent student and staff reaction to the operating system has been mostly critical.

I logged into a Vista-running public PC for the first time today. Well, I say “logged in” to the point where I entered my username and password but got no further as the remaining 12 minutes was waiting on the folder redirection policy. I gave up in the end and went to my lecture.

My lecture revealed another flaw in the upgrade. My lecturer logged on at the beginning of the lecture. But not only should he have attempted logging into his machine before the lecture had started but doing so would have had very little difference. The projector was on and I could see the same thing going through the motions as before. I clocked it opening up his desktop no less than two minutes before the end of the hour lecture.

Our “message of the day” page which provides the latest, breaking news on the state of the all-important and hugely popular range of IT services on campus showed:

Now don’t get me wrong. There is no doubt in my personal and professional opinion that Windows is still the best operating system to be running on a mass scale in a corporate or university environment. But in this case the supply cannot necessarily meet the demand. Allow me to digress.

There are a number of reasons as to why this sticky logging in issue occurred. One of the main ones that I see is today was the start of the academic year, with last week being freshers week. Students were eager to get started with work and by logging in all around the same time period the network was flooding.

But even when the machines were running XP along with the same Windows Server 2008 back-end infrastructure, there were no issues. The mass Vista upgrade is the only change in the equation.

Also, as I experienced when I first logged in when I started at the university, it takes a while to load everything up for the first time on a new computer. With the roaming profiles that the network uses, initially it will take a few minutes to gather your data and settings together and from thereon in, things will pick up in speed.

Not in this case. Once I retried logging in and successfully accessed my desktop (which took 34 minutes), I logged off, had a cup of tea and a smoke then tried on a different machine in another part of the campus. This time it took 12 minutes to logon and access my desktop. The irony of it was that I was using a “quick access service” machine and that my allotted 10 minutes would have expired already.

Even after using the “new” operating system it is clear that the hardware cannot fully support it. Three-quarters of the 2GB memory installed in the machine (or any of the machines, they are all the same hardware specifications) was used up just after gaining desktop access.

The problems have been numerous and countless and as my colleague put earlier on, a representative of the students in the education sector, he was, “f***ing livid”.

Perhaps the most annoying part of this story is that the one and only reason for the upgrade was that the support for Windows XP would be ending soon and this fitted in with the university’s timeline to upgrade. Windows XP had been used on all public PC’s since two years of it initially launching in 2001; way before my time there began.

Because of the software support lifecycle, according to my colleague Mary Jo Foley, switching to Windows Vista or 7 will save them costs because free support is available for those operating systems and won’t be phased out for a number of years, as explained here.

Even though Windows 7 is a glass of cold water to someone in Hell in comparison to Vista, regardless of this, Vista will be used in our university for at least the next four years, according to internal sources.

In my opinion, if something isn’t broken then think very carefully whether you truly need to meddle with it. Once something is done, it is often difficult to truly undo and in situations such as these when dealing with thousands of computers on campus, one change can cause havoc on an unrecognisable scale.

I’m aware that this is a wide scale issue in a small environment; a storm in a teacup if you will. Vista has been nothing short of a pain in the arse since the word go here at the university. Even though many students have used Vista for years now, many of those I spoke to today did not like the fact they had to use it at “work” as well as home.

Frankly they should have kept it how it was for at least another year. It seems those in middle-management may have been pushed before they jumped.

Are you a student who has been forced into an upgrade which you can’t stand? Or are you an IT professional who has rolled out an upgrade which has caused more trouble than it seems worth? Comments make the blog monster om nom nom nom.

Zack Whittaker, the youngest in the ZDNet network, is a British student at the University of Kent, Canterbury, where he studies BA (Hons) Criminology and Social Policy. His insight into the next-generation is unique and first-hand, sharing his knowledge of the here and now but more so what's next and how to get there.

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Posted by: lehnerus2000 Posted on: 10/13/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Vista = less hassles than XP  wright_is | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  MLHACK | 09/29/09
Did you come up with that line all by yourself?  ericesque | 09/29/09
Oh no...  chrome_slinky@... | 09/29/09
exactly  MLHACK | 09/29/09
In denial..  MLHACK | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  rtk | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  UAC nanny screen | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  UAC nanny screen | 09/30/09
Bubble?  wright_is | 10/02/09
Zack...  Sleeper Service | 09/29/09
The only bedding in that is required is some modest backwards compatability  microface@... | 09/30/09
Let me see if I've got this straight:  ye | 09/30/09
There are some pretty good LDAPs out there...  914four | 09/30/09
XP for now  gammaworld@... | 09/30/09
XP  brianpeterson@... | 09/30/09
Yet sadly...  914four | 09/30/09
Gee...  AzuMao | 10/01/09
@Zack  kaninelupus | 10/01/09
Um..  JT82 | 09/29/09
XP is not broke,  MLHACK | 09/29/09
Security  CobraA1 | 09/29/09
Good points, but don't address the negatives  colinnwn | 09/29/09
Well, I must argue with this statement.  Andrej.G. | 10/01/09
Somewhat  MLHACK | 09/29/09
It's almost as stupid as...  Sleeper Service | 09/29/09
What are you talking about  UAC nanny screen | 09/29/09
Not nothing  jongunn@... | 09/30/09
@johngun, dosen't sound like OSX to me  UAC nanny screen | 09/30/09
They did.  CobraA1 | 09/30/09
Message has been deleted.  MLHACK | 09/30/09
UAC  mojorison67@... | 09/30/09
I do it all the time  davidhite | 09/30/09
triple booting XP, Win7, and Ubuntu. UAC no biggie.  pfyearwood | 09/30/09
Try telling these folks that...  UAC nanny screen | 09/29/09
Ooh, you know how to do a Google search! Means nothing (nt)  CobraA1 | 09/30/09
Sure pal, sure...  UAC nanny screen | 09/30/09
Every OS has problems.  CobraA1 | 10/01/09
The question is...  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
Problems and support costs  CobraA1 | 10/01/09
support  UAC nanny screen | 10/02/09
Vista is secure?  Spacecase | 09/29/09
Is that a joke? You barely mention security at all!  CobraA1 | 09/30/09
Then again 2000 wasn't broke  sfaid | 09/30/09
XP was broken from conception  kaninelupus | 10/01/09
Well said  NStalnecker | 10/04/09
I seem to remember XP SP2 broke...  DevJonny | 09/29/09
It did.  JT82 | 09/29/09
Ah I see, fair point  DevJonny | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  MLHACK | 09/29/09
The recent SMB2 exploit...  UAC nanny screen | 09/29/09
It sure did but with some valid reasons  mystic100 | 09/30/09
Please... you are going with that  MLHACK | 09/29/09
Simply not true  colinnwn | 09/29/09
All I had to do was upgrade the RAM  UAC nanny screen | 09/29/09
I will have to agree with Zack on this one..  MLHACK | 09/29/09
Sorry, Balmer should be fired  marc_90292@... | 09/29/09
Can you go into more detail?  ye | 09/29/09
So which is it?  frgough | 09/29/09
I believe it's the latter.  ye | 09/29/09
Ease of operation makes a big difference  Patanjali | 09/29/09
I doubt your productivity has increased significantly.  ye | 09/30/09
Ye, you forgot one...  lehnerus2000 | 10/13/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  danielgwood | 09/29/09
Right now - I'd be going straight to 7.  CobraA1 | 09/29/09
I agree  zwhittakerZDNet Moderator | 09/29/09
If your problem is with folder redirection at first login,  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
Yup. Sounds like a config prob - not a Vista prob  honeymonster | 09/29/09
Sounds to me like it's a problem with the IT department,  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
But...  TucsonGuy | 09/29/09
Yes, and  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
there is an art to roaming profiles  dgrainge | 09/30/09
If the IT department has been testing ...  mwagner@... | 09/29/09
It would be hard to deploy Windows 7 suddenly like that  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
Agreed  wright_is | 09/29/09
RAM usage again?  honeymonster | 09/29/09
Vista sucks  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/29/09
Depends  CobraA1 | 09/29/09
Well then...  gregjr@... | 09/29/09
I have to disagree on this one point.  ye | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  deaf_e_kate | 09/29/09
I will tell you!!  TucsonGuy | 09/29/09
Newer Linux on older machine, not ref to Win  Patanjali | 09/29/09
Reaction:  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  Sleeper Service | 09/29/09
linux versions...  gregjr@... | 09/30/09
Most cannnot use 4GB unless 64bit OS  Patanjali | 09/29/09
technically...  gregjr@... | 09/30/09
The amount of actual memory than is  alaniane@... | 09/30/09
Answers to your points ...  mwagner@... | 09/29/09
Thanks.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  Patanjali | 09/29/09
We all choose how we spend our money ...  mwagner@... | 09/30/09
Answers to your points ...  kfortner51 | 09/30/09
Vista sucks ???  Franciscus101 | 09/30/09
unused RAM is wasted RAM  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
I have to agree with many of the Talkbacks with RAM usage . . .  CobraA1 | 09/29/09
We use Vista in a networked environment  GuidingLight | 09/29/09
Slow login times sounds suspiciously like a config problem  honeymonster | 09/29/09
MS alright for students and most profs,  HollywoodDog | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  sakamura@... | 09/29/09
The lesson is to not have lousy IT staff  connor33 | 09/29/09
I fixed this for you.  mikefarinha | 09/29/09
Here's a test:  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  Helio99000 | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  millenia01 | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  gregjr@... | 09/29/09
xp to vista upgrade? No way, do a clean install instead...  amj2006 | 09/29/09
Your results are not typical Zack!  mwagner@... | 09/29/09
XP support end date  yonian | 09/29/09
The link refers to the end of availability ...  mwagner@... | 09/29/09
Not necessarily  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
I think XP has been vetted by now.  ye | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  callandor87 | 09/29/09
Wrong Conclusions - Installers didn't do their homework.  Grumpa777 | 09/29/09
Additional Info:  Grumpa777 | 09/29/09
Mistaking Cause for Correlation...  dcolbert@... | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  dcolbert@... | 09/29/09
Simply  Joe_Raby | 09/29/09
Zack's comments reflect a user prespective ...  mwagner@... | 09/30/09
Same old'  johnfenjackson@... | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  dbarr@... | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  shanedr | 09/29/09
Message has been deleted.  MLHACK | 09/29/09
The XP to Vista comparisions is over done  rupaa62 | 09/29/09
Agreed  NStalnecker | 09/29/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  j_richter50@... | 09/29/09
Zach, will you talk to you IT folks...  DevStar | 09/29/09
This sounds like a server issue, no?  NStalnecker | 09/29/09
So much for experts...  Narg | 09/29/09
The more things change, the more they stay the same ...  Ron_007 | 09/29/09
Why are Roaming Profiles A Problem?  pghammer21@... | 09/30/09
this is the only blog that censors critical posts  deaf_e_kate | 09/30/09
No, it's not.  rtk | 09/30/09
oh yes it is  deaf_e_kate | 09/30/09
Message has been deleted.  UAC nanny screen | 09/30/09
LOL... grin  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
and again  rtk | 10/01/09
I'm not the only one  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
The line between critical and offensive...  David GroberZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
Which mean nothing anyway...  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
Where was Microsoft in this?  thall@... | 09/30/09
If not 2008 DCs, then disable SMB2 on Vista  dunn@... | 09/30/09
disagree with your opinion  xambassador | 09/30/09
RE: DO NOT AGREE, XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  texrodeo@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  william.landaeta@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  varick | 09/30/09
Thats the computer industry  NStalnecker | 09/30/09
I can see the ignorance in you eyes!  woofa | 09/30/09
To add...  woofa | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  lamaranelson@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  mayres | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  etimer@... | 09/30/09
Why, why, why  NStalnecker | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  tim_watson32168@... | 09/30/09
what year is it?  dgrainge | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  cgalley@... | 09/30/09
32 bit  NStalnecker | 09/30/09
Is it really the fault of the operating system, or...  Spiritusindomit@... | 09/30/09
Is it really the fault of the operating system, or...  rosss1@... | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  glynj1s@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  firewall_xx1@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  evansed@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  pauliw25 | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  BarbiesBest | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  lunatic_man50@... | 09/30/09
Wait on Win 7....  gammaworld@... | 09/30/09
After 25 years  dhamilt01@... | 09/30/09
But  NStalnecker | 09/30/09
Win 7 Beta (better than) XP SP2  ianarmstrong | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  EricVM | 09/30/09
Vista Slow Logins in AD  ianarmstrong | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  megna22 | 09/30/09
All are still NT5 systems.  xmeshman | 09/30/09
Why not wait for 7?  jdyl | 09/30/09
Vista is fine  MercaLoday | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  info@... | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  saar22 | 09/30/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  tech@... | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  rosss1@... | 10/01/09
The thing with Vista was...  NStalnecker | 10/01/09
Huh?  jave200372 | 10/01/09
Should have stuck with XP  cerealfreak | 10/01/09
For me Vista has been fantastic!  NavarroPepe | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  john.foggitt@... | 10/01/09
Memory usage is normal.....  shawndunlap@... | 10/01/09
The Real problem of Vista, too pimped out  b12sklfck | 10/01/09
Vista Bling Bloat  His_Shadow | 10/04/09
What?  NStalnecker | 10/04/09
Yay! Let's regress to CLI usage, because that's what Windows is all about..  AzuMao | 10/05/09
Pretty?  AzuMao | 10/04/09
Vista to XP thats an upgrade!  bobdavis321 | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? why not Linux ( Ubuntu )?  jackie40d@... | 10/01/09
Ubuntu support  Tom6 | 10/05/09
vista? beta tested win 7. no way. i'd get a mac or linux first.  doccpu | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  frj111@... | 10/01/09
RE: Issue of Active Domain Profiles made larger by slow OS  blackepyon01@... | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  TheLazyComic | 10/01/09
RE: XP to Vista? No, if it ain't broken, don't upgrade it  voltron98 | 10/03/09

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