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January 24th, 2007

Can Wikipedia handle the truth?

Posted by Donna Bogatin @ 5:49 am

Categories: Amateur Content, Citizen Journalism, Culture, Microsoft, Self-Promotion, Social Media, Social Web, User-Generated Content, Web 2.0, Wikipedia

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The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is Wikipedia's own notion of “verifiability,” not truth, I pointed out last September in “Is Wikipedia ‘knowledge’ merely third party hearsay?

 

Wikipedia has an aversion to truth, as I discussed in “Why Digg fraud, Google bombing, Wikipedia vandalism will not be stopped.”

Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger decries the “serious and endemic problems” afflicting Wikipedia as I put forth in “Web 2.0 smackdown: intellectuals vs. amateurs in Citizendium.”

Sanger describes an ineffective and abusive “amateur” Wikipedia community: 

The community does not enforce its own rules effectively or consistently. Consequently, administrators and ordinary participants alike are able essentially to act abusively with impunity, which begets a never-ending cycle of abuse.

Michael Arrington has publicly admitted fears of intimidation by Wikipedians has dissuaded him from attempting to correct errors in Wikipedia’s TechCrunch entry: 

While wikipedia appears to be open to all, I’ve seen numerous examples of changes getting immediately deleted for what appears to be political reasons rather than the pursuit of pure knowledge. And I’ve also seen people be attacked for making changes that appear to be factual and correct.

The TechCrunch listing on wikipedia has a number of errors. But there is no way in hell I’d ever think about fixing those errors. The wikipedia community has completely intimidated me to the point where making a change to that site is unthinkable. 

Web 2.0 phenomenon TechCrunch has apparently resigned itself to an untruthful Wikipedia entry.

What about Bill Gate's Microsoft Wikipedia entries? Is Microsoft intimidated by Wikipedians as well?

Does Microsoft believe changes to the site are “unthinkable”?

The Associated Press is reporting that Microsoft has acknowledged it approached a writer and "offered to pay him for the time it would take to correct what the company was sure were inaccuracies in Wikipedia articles on an open-source document standard and a rival format put forward by Microsoft":

Catherine Brooker, a spokeswoman for Microsoft, said she believed the articles were heavily written by people at IBM Corp., which is a big supporter of the open-source standard…

Brooker said Microsoft had gotten nowhere in trying to flag the purported mistakes to Wikipedia's volunteer editors, so it sought an independent expert who could determine whether changes were necessary and enter them on Wikipedia. Brooker said Microsoft believed that having an independent source would be key in getting the changes to stick, that is, to not have them just overruled by other Wikipedia writers.

Brooker said Microsoft and the writer, Rick Jelliffe, (a technologist) had not determined a price and no money had changed hands, but they had agreed that the company would not be allowed to review his writing before submission. Brooker said Microsoft had never previously hired someone to influence a Wikipedia article.

Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales is cited as admonishing Microsoft: 

Wales said the proper course would have been for Microsoft to write or commission a "white paper" on the subject with its interpretation of the facts, post it to an outside Web site and then link to it in the Wikipedia articles' discussion forums.

"It seems like a much better, transparent, straightforward way," Wales said.

Wales' convoluted notion of "transparency" and "straightforwardness" breeds the non-truths at Wikipedia.

Wales has an aversion to direct sourcing of facts; He apparently doesn't believe in "facts."

Shouldn't directly sourced and attrributed facts be the objective of an "encyclopedia," not third-party, twice-removed "interpretations" of the facts?

Donna Bogatin has been probing the business heart of the Internet for more than ten years. Don't miss a single post. Subscribe via Email or RSS. Got news? Send Donna your pitch. Find out more at Donna's Website: InsiderChatter.com. For disclosures on Donna's industry affiliations, click here.
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RE: Can Wikipedia handle the truth?
Wikipedia is a live entity, it's good it got "infigthing" and pressure, it means it's considered a valuable asset / target by those who try sway it. If it had no attacks and no issues, it'd mean it's ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: dfumagalli@... Posted on: 06/02/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
I don't care what anyone says...  BitTwiddler | 01/24/07
Well, that's ONE opinion anyway.  linux for me | 01/24/07
Even if the information is not accurate?  Badgered | 01/24/07
Amen!  Rick_R | 01/24/07
Didn't you get the memo?  Linux User 147560 | 01/24/07
RE: memo  gdstark13 | 01/25/07
Microsoft does not publish facts.  nomorems | 01/24/07
Read the articles  moonchacha | 01/24/07
MS is the one with FUD. Remember, they invented the terms and use of FUD.  nomorems | 01/24/07
HAHAHAHAHA. "The Age"  John Zern | 01/24/07
Hey, John - Shilling really is not for you.  nomorems | 01/24/07
Hey nomorems: you're getting better at proving my point  John Zern | 01/24/07
OH: BTW, here's the hyperlink  John Zern | 01/24/07
Thanks for the link  ricgal | 01/24/07
Microsoft did exactly what it wanted.  Cardinal_Bill | 01/24/07
Cardinal, you hit the nail on the head.  nomorems | 01/24/07
They never stated that, YOU did  John Zern | 01/24/07
Should one get paid for work?  nomorems | 01/24/07
Once again, you prove my point  John Zern | 01/24/07
John...  Cardinal_Bill | 01/24/07
Is it alwasy so simple...  owidder | 01/24/07
Thanks, Oliver  ricgal | 01/24/07
The use of Wikipedia  David Cowell | 01/25/07
Wikipedia generated Obsessive-compulsive disorder  FreedomRocks | 02/12/07
Wikipedia  eng_forums@... | 08/19/07
RE: Can Wikipedia handle the truth?  servumtuum@... | 01/15/09
RE: Can Wikipedia handle the truth?  dfumagalli@... | 06/02/09

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