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August 29th, 2008

Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:22 am

Categories: App Compatibility, Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer

Tags: Opera Software, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Web Browsers, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

Let me say from the outset that I was not a fan of Opera Software’s antitrust sabre-rattling a few months back over Microsoft’s lack of standards compliancy with its browser. But Opera’s latest complaints about Internet Explorer (IE) 8 make Opera look even more like a company that’s gone off the deep end.

Hakon Lie, the Chief Technology Officer of Opera, airs some of his dissatisfaction with how the new beta of Microsoft’s IE 8 handles the breaking of Web pages. Lie complains that Microsoft has compatibility mode turned on by default for Intranet sites (not Internet ones, mind you). with IE 8 Beta 2. And he really hates the breaking page icon that Microsoft displays next to the IE 8 address bar; he proposes the Acid-test smiley face instead.

From Opera’s e-mail to me on August 29:

IE 8 “breaks with Microsoft’s promise - made just six months ago - to support Web standards by default.

“At issue here is the ‘Compatibility View Settings’ where all Intranet pages are set to display in compatibility mode. Microsoft is apparently fighting off other browsers from making inroads into the enterprise market.”

I, for one, am glad that Microsoft defaults to standards mode with IE 8 for public-facign Web pages. Microsoft does it in a way that isn’t punishing users who browse non-IE-8-compliant sites or developers who have not updated their sites to handle Microsoft’s next-generation browser, which is expected to ship this November. If you hit a site that looks or behaves badly with IE 8 Beta 2, you can hit the compatibility-view icon (which looks like a broken page, clueing users in about what the icon does).

If Microsoft defaulted to the more standards-compliant mode with IE 8 without providing a way for users to continue to use non-updated sites, there’d be mutiny. Why should users or Web site owners be punished for the fact that Microsoft originally broke standards compatibility with IE and is now trying to undo that damage for whatever reasons — fear of losing market share, complaints from angry users and developers, or just because it’s the right thing.

Opera is portraying Microsoft’s handling of standards mode as the company being up to its old tricks. But I suspect Opera’s real reason for wanting IE 8 to break pages is so that users will throw their hands up in disgust and abandon IE for some other browser.

What do you say? Do you think Opera’s complaints have merit? If so, what do you think Microsoft should do to tweak IE 8 before it ships?

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It seems to me you're grasping at straws for a legitimate complaint over a company who just wants some sanity and the freedom of choice in the ever-growing world of internet computing. Then again, "gr... (Read the rest)
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Well, everything MS does is carefully calculated to make you think they are  DonnieBoy | 08/29/08
What the heck happen to the DonnieBoy we knew and loved???  joethemacfan | 08/29/08
Web 2.0 mess  croberts | 08/29/08
What does Web 2.0 have to do with this?  storm14k | 08/29/08
Thank you. MS will not get its arse in gear though, as long as web  DonnieBoy | 08/29/08
Um.. Kidnapped by Microsofties and brainwashed?  Wolfie2K3 | 09/02/08
MS is goint to receive flack for not having compatibility mode on ...  P. Douglas | 08/29/08
Forget it...  eMJayy | 09/01/08
Who are you ...  P. Douglas | 09/01/08
Someone will complain!!!  swattz101 | 08/29/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  ZDNET_guest666 | 08/29/08
Indeed...  eMJayy | 09/01/08
Microsoft is finally doing the right thing with IE  willgillen | 08/29/08
I use Opera  laura.b | 08/29/08
Me too...  Scrat | 08/30/08
Get over it...  eMJayy | 09/01/08
I think you're right  tech_walker | 09/02/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  rizarsurf | 08/29/08
Sure  de-void | 08/29/08
Web Designers testing IE by default are ignorant anyway...  JAB Creations | 08/29/08
AMEN!!! (nt)  storm14k | 08/29/08
Is it incompetent to shoot for the majority?  eb276 | 08/29/08
It depends...  zkiwi | 08/30/08
Hey, OSS advocates are geniuses. Don't you know that?  transposeIT | 09/01/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  P. Douglas | 08/29/08
Agreed, as I blogged earlier today.  threedaysdwn | 08/29/08
Jeeeezz try hard Opera  JoeMama_z | 08/29/08
Yes, Opera looking pretty whiny  quux | 08/29/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  eric812@... | 08/29/08
"Microsoft originally broke standards compatibility with IE" ? Not quite  PB_z | 08/29/08
Missing the point of Opera's criticism  nstuff | 08/30/08
Ok... So what you're really saying here...  Wolfie2K3 | 09/02/08
Opera has a point  Rambo Tribble | 08/30/08
The new beta doesn't work well in any mode  tech_walker | 09/02/08
No they don't.. And that's nothing but FUD...  Wolfie2K3 | 09/02/08
Flimsy straws  orcmid | 08/30/08
Uh, I meant insensitivity  orcmid | 08/30/08
Bring it on!  David Blomstrom | 08/31/08
I hope thery sue you  tonymcs@... | 08/31/08
ROTFLMAO!!!  David Blomstrom | 09/01/08
Let's see...  Confused by religion | 09/01/08
Huh?  David Blomstrom | 09/01/08
RE: Yawn  vikingnyc@... | 09/01/08
Why have modes what people besides MS hates standards?  Randalllind | 09/01/08
Microsoft lackey  ejmfoley@... | 09/01/08
Opera should shut up and build a better browser  tech_walker | 09/01/08
Problem is, we've started with a Lie  Boot_Agnostic | 09/02/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  michael@... | 09/02/08
weak, but not baseless  Mitch 74 | 09/02/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  nstuff | 09/02/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  ddrmueller | 09/03/08
RE: Opera grasps at straws with latest IE criticism  Devonmcnulty@... | 09/05/08
Mary Jo Foley Grasps at Straws with Criticism of Sanity  yawnnn | 10/04/08

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