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December 13th, 2007

Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:12 am

Categories: Google, Internet Explorer, Legal

Tags: Opera Software, Antitrust, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Corporate Law, Web Browsers, Security, Business Operations, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

Whether you think Opera Software is right in its attempt to convince the European Commission (EC) of the wisdom of forcing Microsoft to stop bundling exclusively Internet Explorer with Windows, there’s another part of Opera’s December 13 antitrust complaint that the court hopefully will ignore.

Opera is trying to get the EC to force Microsoft to make Internet Explorer (IE) compliant with Web standards as part of the antitrust suit it filed on December 13. Even though many Web developers and customers have been frustrated and upset over Microsoft’s failure to make IE “100 percent standards-compliant” (whatever that really means), Opera’s strategy to force the issue through the courts his is a really bad idea. Off the top of my head, here are just a few reasons why:

1. Should antitrust courts be the ones in charge of determining which versions of Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), XHTML, Document Object Model (DOM) and other Web standards are the ones to which all browser/Web developers should be writing? Participants in various standards bodies can’t even agree among themselves which version of these standards is the best. How are judges supposed to wade through the browser-standards confusion in a good/fair way?

2. Would it be positive for customers if Microsoft were suddenly forced to create a version of IE that looked good on paper, in terms of more complete standards compliance, but which broke third-party and custom Web applications? Microsoft has argued that it is trying to avoid this situation with IE and is working on various ways it can make IE more standards-complaint without breaking existing apps, completely upsetting the partner/customer universe.

3. With Mozilla, Firefox has proved you don’t need government intervention to wrest a substantial percentage of the browser market from Microsoft. You just friends with deep pockets (like Google) and a community of dedicated developers — plus a guaranteed customer base who prefer anything other than Microsoft technologies.

In the end, Microsoft’s own inertia, browser-security problems and inability to react quickly to market changes (where, oh where, is IE 8?) will continue to help its browser competitors more than a ruling by the EU or other antitrust body would.

What do you think? Is Opera’s attempt to get the European Commission to force the unbundling of IE from Windows too late? And what’s your take on Opera’s attempt to get the courts involved in enforcing Web-standards compliance?

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you dont get it do you?????
Do you not understand what the antitrust is about at all??????


--Posted by: Solomonsd21--"I think the suit in and of itself is wrong. Doesn't Apple integrate Safari into it's OS?"

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Personally...  ju1ce | 12/13/07
Is there a law...  rapson | 12/13/07
I use Opera  laura.b | 12/13/07
No, there is a ruling  jamesdivine | 12/13/07
That's not what the ruling said...  BFD | 12/13/07
So you want affirmative action for minority corporations.  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Another politically illiterate American talking FREE MARKET fantasies ! -NT  raycote | 12/13/07
Socialized fantasies more to your liking?  GuidingLight | 12/13/07
Another clueless Kommisar that will kill millions in an engineered famine.  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Laisse faire  stevey_d | 12/16/07
Libertarians do not believe in anarchy  osreinstall | 12/16/07
Socialism  mlindl | 12/17/07
mlindl, socialism is government run economy  osreinstall | 12/17/07
What a waste of time...  mlambert890@... | 12/20/07
mlambert890, who cares what you get sick of.  osreinstall | 12/20/07
Just another lying hypocrite  bmerc | 12/20/07
Then stop feeding into it...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 12/20/07
The hypocrisy is all yours.  osreinstall | 12/20/07
Another illertate American  Ethical_Loner | 12/20/07
Dude! "illertate"?  RDrr | 12/20/07
Duhhh. I geddit.  RDrr | 12/20/07
spelling  dhays | 12/20/07
Oh, Puh-lease  Fevrin | 12/13/07
Another hater that cannot handle the free market.  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Like I said  Fevrin | 12/14/07
I know what you said and it is wrong.  osreinstall | 12/14/07
By the Way  Fevrin | 12/14/07
wrong  toddo12 | 12/14/07
You are full of crap.  osreinstall | 12/14/07
So  Fevrin | 12/14/07
monopolies  toddo12 | 12/14/07
Yes I do for the most part.  osreinstall | 12/14/07
read my post on the history of laisse faire above. Don't be ignorant  stevey_d | 12/16/07
I read it and it is bunk.  osreinstall | 12/16/07
There is a difference  spookyone1 | 12/22/07
Not really  osreinstall | 12/22/07
Threatens all of that? Piffle... here's an analogy...  TheTallGuy | 12/14/07
Well . . .  Fevrin | 12/14/07
Horsefeathers...!  Wolfie2K3 | 12/14/07
Oh, Puh-lease!  Too Old For IT | 12/20/07
More Microsoft Haters?  kbuetow@... | 12/20/07
Government Meddling  toddo12 | 12/14/07
You bet.  osreinstall | 12/14/07
idiotic soundbite  stevey_d | 12/16/07
No where near the level of the socialists.  osreinstall | 12/16/07
Microsoft was never found guilty of anything.  ShadeTree | 12/13/07
MS was found guilty in the US and the EU  Slamlander | 12/13/07
No they weren't!  ShadeTree | 12/14/07
Splitting hairs. They were "guilty" of offences under the Sherman Act  stevey_d | 12/16/07
In the US you are innocent until found ....  ShadeTree | 12/17/07
Are you...  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/13/07
Try taking a basic course in law.  ShadeTree | 12/14/07
Mum! Look!  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/14/07
Why not read the freaking Sherman Act Section 1 54th word = "guilty"  stevey_d | 12/16/07
Once again for the intellectually handicapped.  ShadeTree | 12/17/07
And the fact remains...  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/17/07
Are you delibertly being obtuse?  ShadeTree | 12/17/07
So, according to you...  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/17/07
Further education!  ShadeTree | 12/17/07
Yes, you need further education  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/17/07
If you break the Sherman Anti-Trust laws, you are found  mlindl | 12/17/07
moron...  craig-wilson@... | 12/20/07
You're being pedanic, give it up  RealNonZealot | 12/20/07
Then what about Firefox?  Tiggster | 12/14/07
But it's free  Too Old For IT | 12/20/07
No, but...  Stuka | 12/13/07
No, there's no law.  Henrik Moller | 12/13/07
No one is !00% compliant.. NOT ONE PRODUCT  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
Yes, but  spookyone1 | 12/22/07
Probably a great debate in law school  j.m.galvin | 12/13/07
hmmm opera is free has been for a few years now .  SO.CAL Guy | 12/13/07
Socialism = distribution of wealth is subject to control by the community  raycote | 12/13/07
They could argue that  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 12/13/07
That would be irrelevant  j.m.galvin | 12/13/07
?  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 12/13/07
Not true!  ShadeTree | 12/13/07
Or not  Real World | 12/13/07
That's why I called it "theory"  j.m.galvin | 12/13/07
Lame arguement... Expression Web Dev passes all the W3C checks  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
Not about law...  spookyone1 | 12/22/07
any lawsuit against M$ should be welcomed  Linux Geek | 12/13/07
Shut up, fool.  James T. Kirk | 12/13/07
who is the fool  X41 | 12/13/07
Umm don't think soo -  socialism=nowhere | 12/20/07
Any...  BFD | 12/13/07
No, better products should be welcomed  mdemuth | 12/13/07
who's community the Linux community who can't even  SO.CAL Guy | 12/13/07
there should be a difference between free standards and paid standards  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
Talk about being punished:  GuidingLight | 12/13/07
Disagree  CobraA1 | 12/13/07
Oh Jeez - go "play" on a Linux site will you...  socialism=nowhere | 12/20/07
Not the government's job  ejryder3 | 12/13/07
Of course it is  jamesdivine | 12/13/07
Boy you have faith in the state, any state.  haltse | 12/13/07
Good Point -  socialism=nowhere | 12/20/07
Consumers???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
Do you really need government here  voska | 12/13/07
A free market is different from anarchy.  CobraA1 | 12/13/07
Wrong  Richard B | 12/14/07
criminal actions and free market are two different things  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
Typical Republicon comment:  OButterball | 12/13/07
Don't politicize it  j.m.galvin | 12/13/07
It is "politicized" in the first place!  OButterball | 12/13/07
Right.. Communist Countries everywhere hijack 100% of all business profits  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
You whining Emma Goldman anarchist bomb thrower wink  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Hee, Hee ... good'un, osreinstall.  OButterball | 12/13/07
Ome of the examples you mentioned  GuidingLight | 12/13/07
Where'd you EVER get the idea ...  OButterball | 12/13/07
Insanity of all disiplines will overlap.  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Ooo, "overlapping," in THIS context ...  OButterball | 12/13/07
Calm down now.  osreinstall | 12/13/07
Oh, Gawd, osreinstall, now the CENSORS ...  OButterball | 12/14/07
Hell, they are censoring my man running.  osreinstall | 12/14/07
But there is a Big Sign EVERYWHERE Already  pcguy777 | 12/17/07
Everyone knows who the big boys are... GE, IBM, MS, SHELL, Time Warner etc.  cheesyone | 12/25/07
The rich powerfull Democrats, that's who!  GuidingLight | 12/13/07
Yep, read my response to j.m.galvin, above.  OButterball | 12/13/07
So then, do tell......  xuniL_z | 12/13/07
Nothing "nebulous" about my statements, xuniL_z.  OButterball | 12/13/07
Maybe i was reading in....entire context:  xuniL_z | 12/13/07
You are still trying to use the term "Republicon Government."  OButterball | 12/13/07
re: Typical Republicon comment:  CobraA1 | 12/13/07
Read my full post, CobraA1.  OButterball | 12/14/07
I seriously doubt it'll be a big topic next year.  CobraA1 | 12/15/07
I've tried alternatives to Microsoft products...  BlazingEagle | 12/14/07
Wrong.  mlindl | 12/17/07
this is very dangerous  cgrecu | 12/13/07
not a slippery slope  jamesdivine | 12/13/07
what's this got to do with anitrust?  cgrecu | 12/13/07
A to Q 3  johnfenjackson@... | 12/13/07
Both so called issues are stupid  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
Hey ... Axey ... you share offices with ejryder3?  OButterball | 12/13/07
And the answer is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
It doesnt matter who's complaining  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 12/13/07
Excuse me?  OButterball | 12/13/07
I agree 100%  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
EU falling  IT_User | 12/13/07
Then you are 100% WRONG, Axey!  OButterball | 12/13/07
You need to turn up the rheostat on yer ...  OButterball | 12/13/07
I have no idea what you are talking about...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
True, you DO have no idea ... AT ALL ...  OButterball | 12/13/07
Yes, you're entitled to play stupid, but please, do not abuse the privilege  For_sure | 12/13/07
Off your meds again?  craig-wilson@... | 12/20/07
Wrong Answer to the wrong question.  xuniL_z | 12/13/07
You are really misinterpreting the whole discussion.  OButterball | 12/14/07
I fail to see the comparison  Shelendrea | 12/13/07
You can't see it, Shelendrea, really?  OButterball | 12/14/07
Bad news -the people have a one in a million chance to survive on their own  For_sure | 12/14/07
Microsoft is still trying to illegally leverage desktop monopoly  stevey_d | 12/16/07
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 12/13/07
Answers  HooNoze | 12/13/07
Surely this is going nowhere.  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 12/13/07
Bad idea  Technical Writing Geek | 12/13/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  burningbird | 12/13/07
Message has been deleted.  qmlscycrajg | 12/13/07
Message has been deleted.  qmlscycrajg | 12/13/07
European Commission is worst than Nazism  qmlscycrajg | 12/13/07
Um, okay, qmlscycrajg.  OButterball | 12/13/07
Message has been deleted.  For_sure | 12/13/07
Can the ZDNet CENSOR explain what was wrong with my post:...  For_sure | 12/14/07
Message has been deleted.  nizuse | 12/13/07
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 12/13/07
LOL the above figures...typical.  socialism=nowhere | 12/20/07
Good idea on standards  doug@... | 12/13/07
Bzzzt, WRONG.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/07
Avoiding The Plays For Sure Article??  itanalyst | 12/13/07
I guess that you know that...  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/13/07
Really?  doug@... | 12/13/07
Web Standards  nabeel_z | 12/26/07
And the reason for that is  antitrust | 12/14/07
While IE still has a ways to go - leave the gov't out of it!  CobraA1 | 12/13/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  Solomonsd21 | 12/13/07
you dont get it do you?????  anondeez | 12/31/07
Hmmmmmmmm  Shelendrea | 12/13/07
Definite mistake  John L. Ries | 12/13/07
Exactly  Shelendrea | 12/13/07
Ignorance runs rampant in the US  Slamlander | 12/13/07
Ignorance runs rampant everywhere  Shelendrea | 12/13/07
Good grief!  Linux User 147560 | 12/13/07
Haa we seem to agree for once  nizuse | 12/13/07
I have traveled extensively in Europe and Asia.  ShadeTree | 12/14/07
Well, that travel experience  ego.sum.stig@... | 12/17/07
Forget about IE. The key-point is - standing exclusively for MS is ...  For_sure | 12/13/07
All antitrust laws must die [nt]  Omch'Ar | 12/13/07
Never ending litigation ...  George Mitchell | 12/13/07
Never Be The Same?? Hardly!"  TheBoyBailey | 12/14/07
I want everything bundled in my systems!  joemartn | 12/13/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  Mikael_66 | 12/13/07
Why should car manufacturers comply with safety standards?  roaming | 12/13/07
Have you worked with standards bodies?  IUseComputers | 12/13/07
Opera is just trying to free the world of proprietary software  Boot_Agnostic | 12/14/07
YOUR Right...  pcguy777 | 12/14/07
There is a lot of misunderstanding  nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
IE is the only browser that works 100 percent with ALL sites!  erniem1970@... | 12/14/07
Sick of this .....  pcguy777 | 12/14/07
The EU wont stop, until windows is reversed back to DOS  pcguy777 | 12/14/07
VERY BAD idea - government regulation of standards  akcoyote | 12/14/07
AS supertramp said "too late, too late"  Steve__ | 12/14/07
typo correcttions  Steve__ | 12/14/07
I still use WordPerfect.  cheesyone | 12/25/07
The issue is not Opera it's MS  david@... | 12/14/07
Oh goodie! Let's rewrite history!  craig-wilson@... | 12/20/07
Guess...  cheesyone | 12/25/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  as901 | 12/15/07
True Lies  dope.smugglaz@... | 12/15/07
Microsoft did have one issue though  bushidov@... | 12/15/07
What's the big deal?  John Musbach | 12/18/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  J.Charland@... | 12/19/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  qique12569@... | 12/19/07
Cases for and against  Update victim | 12/19/07
Bad Microsoft, No Donut!  mead.rose@... | 12/20/07
Yet another Anti-Bill whiner  Too Old For IT | 12/20/07
Microsoft should not distribute in the EU  Too Old For IT | 12/20/07
Who should decide on standards compliance?  zdnet@... | 12/20/07
lame article leads to heated debate  Hobyx | 12/20/07
Opera not standard either...  Narg | 12/21/07
Opera is not 100% compliant.. Yes BUT  chris2mop@... | 12/21/07
RE: Why Opera's antitrust complaint against Microsoft is a bad idea  richardseaton99@... | 12/21/07
Well fortunately the govt will issue 1 browser for the ppl  Boot_Agnostic | 12/22/07

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