People have choices to make
endermc12 | 12/14/07
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"IE...just works."
Henry Miller | 12/14/07
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IE is just broken
Fred Fredrickson | 12/14/07
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Oh Boy, yet another Geek requirement! Acid 2?? c'mon!
andrej770 | 12/15/07
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You make no sense! Society is all about standards! - NT
raycote | 12/15/07
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What part about "MS is in control" did you not understand?
andrej770 | 12/15/07
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Missing the point
dilireus@... | 12/16/07
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It seems he would fully agree
hkommedal | 12/18/07
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In control or not.....
justice_fist_82@... | 12/20/07
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Let's take it all the way then
DB_z | 01/02/08
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Outstanding Andre
professordnm | 01/07/08
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Bull, works for me and everyone I know.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Hey, Axey!!!
JLHenry | 12/15/07
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As you seem slow on the up take, one more time.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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I know you're not that stupid, so who pays you to sell this FUD - NT
raycote | 12/15/07
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Show me any FUD oh all knowing one.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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No snacks
thungurknifur | 12/16/07
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Re: "IE...just works."
zappster | 01/09/08
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Arrrggh
zappster | 01/09/08
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Logically questionable
DB_z | 01/02/08
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Post 1 should have ended this thread
xyxx1@... | 01/08/08
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M$ must pass the community standards like Acid2
Linux Geek | 12/14/07
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They're doing no such thing.
ye | 12/14/07
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I actually agree with that...
ju1ce | 12/14/07
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Why?
ye | 12/14/07
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Why use it?
ju1ce | 12/14/07
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They have a choice. They can...
ye | 12/14/07
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Re: Why?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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LOL! This is one of the funniest things I've read.
ye | 12/14/07
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Well, in my part of the world
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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I am NOT using IE, but
hkommedal | 12/18/07
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What losses?
ShadeTree | 12/14/07
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Woohoo!
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/14/07
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re: Woohoo!
M.R. Kennedy | 12/14/07
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And then
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Moron?
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/15/07
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Moron?
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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unprovable losses
BFD | 12/14/07
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Unprovable?
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/14/07
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re: Unprovable?
M.R. Kennedy | 12/14/07
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Well, that's odd...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/15/07
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Opera has an integrated search with google and yahoo.
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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The better question is . . .
JLHenry | 12/15/07
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Yeah sure guy.
osreinstall | 12/14/07
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the gov should require to pass the community standards
Linux Geek | 12/14/07
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What if the government decided the standard was IE?
ye | 12/14/07
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In that unlikely possibility, code for IE
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Not the code, just the specification.
ye | 12/14/07
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Ye in Nitpicking mode, eh?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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It's an important distinction.
ye | 12/14/07
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In such a situation, Unlikely as it seems
Update victim | 12/19/07
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Ah, the "There Ought To Be A Law" argument...
M.R. Kennedy | 12/14/07
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Laws work
otaddy | 12/15/07
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re: Laws work
M.R. Kennedy | 12/15/07
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As much as I hate to say it . . .
JLHenry | 12/15/07
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What he said!
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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All this whining...I am running out of tissue
andrej770 | 12/15/07
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Use your own favorite whine
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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re: As much as I hate to say it...
M.R. Kennedy | 12/15/07
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Message has been deleted.
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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Not trying to be rude, but....
thungurknifur | 12/17/07
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NO, "How bad is it"?
Ole Man | 12/17/07
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What is this world coming to?
DB_z | 01/02/08
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Message has been deleted.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/14/07
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At least he is consistant in that regard.
osreinstall | 12/14/07
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That's pretty good . . .
JLHenry | 12/15/07
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Ok, bend over and
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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There are no such things as "community standards"
easson | 12/17/07
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It's not their business to "help them support standards".
ye | 12/14/07
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wrong
DemonX | 12/14/07
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It's none of Opera's business. Period.
ye | 12/14/07
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The dependency for IE is already there...
ju1ce | 12/14/07
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It's completely rational thinking. If you don't like something then...
ye | 12/14/07
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I don't use it on port 80.
osreinstall | 12/14/07
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re: The dependency for IE is already there...
M.R. Kennedy | 12/14/07
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IE is like the Plague
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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The Old Troll is like a loser relative.
M.R. Kennedy | 12/15/07
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MR Rat is a true cheese-eater
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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re: wrong
M.R. Kennedy | 12/14/07
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Lets see
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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re: Let's see
M.R. Kennedy | 12/15/07
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Re: Microsoft has essentially made IE a standard
nilotpal_c | 12/16/07
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What they should have done
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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What you should do is
M.R. Kennedy | 12/15/07
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I would not lower myself to speak the words
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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Spot on
Arun (sreearun) | 12/16/07
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IE has made the web broken, it should clean up the mess!
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Then don't code for it. I don't believe anyone is forcing you to.
ye | 12/14/07
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Don't be naive
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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90% of the marked seems to be...
ye | 12/14/07
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What does that have to do with browsers? Is Safari thriving?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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It shows that targetting a small market can be profitable.
ye | 12/14/07
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Oh PULEASE
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Considering the brevity of your . . .
JLHenry | 12/15/07
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Are you kidding?
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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How much elabortion do you require
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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none
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Ah, so the brevity was fine, it was you that was lost.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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BS
Joe_Racer | 12/14/07
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I think it's very valid.
ju1ce | 12/14/07
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IE is the defacto standard...
laxmanb | 12/14/07
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Wow, what a defacto standard
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Call it what you may...
laxmanb | 12/14/07
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Nope
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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80% of the public have always been gullible
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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What kind of sheep buys that statement.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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I can almost hear you when you baaaaaaaaa......NT
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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Hey, it was you that said you believed it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Looking in your mirror, again?
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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Confusing standards as prescriptions and regulations
orcmid | 12/14/07
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You are right in some aspects, and that is the sad part of it.
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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have you heard about Safari??
laxmanb | 12/14/07
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We do not need no stinkin web standards.
Richard B | 12/14/07
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A new Mike Cox wannabe?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Enforcing standards by law is not practical or possible
John J. Jordan | 12/14/07
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Like it or not
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Define "broken".
ye | 12/14/07
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Broken
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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AKA: Not doing it the way some would like.
ye | 12/14/07
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NO: AKA: Not doing it the way it should be done
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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I understand fine. You are claiming IE broke the Internet because...
ye | 12/14/07
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Oh, So that is the free web? I see
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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How is it broken? Because some sites don't work with non-IE browsers?
ye | 12/14/07
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And now...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/14/07
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Re: Enforcing standards...
mKind | 12/15/07
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Why not go straight to the origin of "A Standard"?
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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GOOD! MS' IE causes problems....
tek_notes2@... | 12/14/07
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Well, Opera does not have much to lose here. In Europe, the Firefox usage
DonnieBoy | 12/14/07
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Opera just might lose the PR game
Tiggster | 12/14/07
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Well, it might,
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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I've never had IE issues
Tiggster | 12/15/07
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That means you have just coded
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Oh, missed the Asp.NET
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Is this guy a complete MORON?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/14/07
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Hear Hear!
Tok-Sic | 12/14/07
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No_Ax do you buy TVs or radios that don't follow standards...
raycote | 12/15/07
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raycote, do you think at all.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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if IE comes with windows, that means people buy IE
stevey_d | 12/16/07
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Moron?Who?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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He was referring to his marketing ability.
osreinstall | 12/14/07
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Re:
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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Good
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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So?
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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You have a hard time listening.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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Evidently, you have no idea of what you are talking about
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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I already have.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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And what will that website do?
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Like all others do.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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Much of what you say is very true
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Yes it is. Forcing others to comply is wrong. Just boycott them.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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Listen, without ranting
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Well you can try anyway.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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Hello, you are wrong
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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And since you can actually disrespect your own country while supporting MS
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Cannot reply in one reply.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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Ok, Think what you like
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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I will and I an sure you will also.
osreinstall | 12/15/07
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How long will you continue with your continued shows of ignorance
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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How long are you going to hate an entity that you can simply ignore?
osreinstall | 12/16/07
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Address the main points without going into delirious rantings
nilotpal_c | 12/16/07
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I already did.
osreinstall | 12/16/07
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I went into the website you indicated
nilotpal_c | 12/16/07
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And
nilotpal_c | 12/16/07
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Taking responsibility is the first step.
osreinstall | 12/16/07
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And I am glad with that attitude.
osreinstall | 12/16/07
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He is obviously CLUELESS
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Really
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Good advice, take it!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Ignorant fanboys like you
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Ah, so you don't want them to have a choice.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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He's a self-confessed troll - don't feed
deaf_e_kate | 12/16/07
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re: Is this guy a complete MORON?
CobraA1 | 12/14/07
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You got one point correct
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Only one?
CobraA1 | 12/15/07
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Lets take them one at a time.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/07
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re: Lets take them one at a time.
CobraA1 | 12/16/07
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He is a contributor to W3 proposals an recomendations.
B.O.F.H. | 12/15/07
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So what? It has nothing to do with IE
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Why are you even discussing a topic beyond your intellectual grasp?
B.O.F.H. | 12/15/07
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Ooops
Tok-Sic | 12/15/07
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Who has dragged whom to court?
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Thanks!
thungurknifur | 12/17/07
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Thunger hates free speech different than his own.
osreinstall | 12/17/07
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Couple of points
B.O.F.H. | 12/15/07
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A four year old could beat your logic
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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So...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/15/07
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Let me guss...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Now I'm scared...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/16/07
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that is called competition via product design
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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Please expain it then oh wise one
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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B.O.F.H. has eloquently explained the technical aspects
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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The subject is "Web Standard"
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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WRONG!!!! It's about IE, a RENDERING ENGINE
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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It is about Web standards & IE is not a rendering engine!
B.O.F.H. | 12/15/07
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Sorry, you are wrong
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/07
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You really don't have a clue about what you are posting about, do you?
B.O.F.H. | 12/16/07
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Oh well, end users will decide final fates
Boot_Agnostic | 12/14/07
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Standards
chuckleberry | 12/14/07
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Plea to Autocad
ianerrid@... | 12/17/07
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Smiley Face vs The Enterprise
Tok-Sic | 12/14/07
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You missed my point
John J. Jordan | 12/14/07
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Sorry if I hurt you
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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I have a question
laura.b | 12/14/07
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develop for ff - fix for ie
bob.timms@... | 12/14/07
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Which sites act only with IE?
nilotpal_c | 12/14/07
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What MS shills don't want you to realize
imguest0@... | 12/14/07
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I guess Opera guilty of dumping too
otaddy | 12/15/07
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Acid2 Compliant Browsers
D. T. Schmitz | 12/14/07
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When I hit a site...
Cardinal_Bill | 12/14/07
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Why Does Opera Exist?
lmenningen | 12/15/07
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Answer
laura.b | 12/17/07
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Goodrich suing Firestone over standard wheel sizes.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Millions of people now without transportation
Ole Man | 12/15/07
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Nice try, stupid but a nice try.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Not too bright?
Ole Man | 12/16/07
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Many try...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/15/07
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Works for those that can think.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Your wheels fell off...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/15/07
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Nope, the world drove off from Opera
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/15/07
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Next you'll be telling us...
ego.sum.stig@... | 12/16/07
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That analogy is worse than retarded, no thinking person would go with it.
B.O.F.H. | 12/15/07
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A word of advice
nilotpal_c | 12/15/07
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Advice from a clueless wanna be...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/07
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I would bet he doesn't need your advice.
B.O.F.H. | 12/16/07
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As I said above, the thinking people got it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/07
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I and probubly everyone else got that you can't write anaolgies.
B.O.F.H. | 12/16/07
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Good ,got that?
nilotpal_c | 12/16/07
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RE: Opera: Setting the record straight on Microsoft and Web standards
MrViklund | 12/16/07
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well let the court decide
stevey_d | 12/16/07
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Microsoft is yet again abusing market power
interoperate | 12/16/07
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agreed. I believe in free trade and a fair market
stevey_d | 12/16/07
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What restriction of choice?
laura.b | 12/17/07
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examples
Ole Man | 12/17/07
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"Windows" Internet Explorer.
pablo Dante | 12/16/07
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RE: Opera: Setting the record straight on Microsoft and Web standards
hgh9mrp@... | 12/17/07
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Bundling
hrlngrv | 12/17/07
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Let's set it straight here.... (hopefully)
GoodmanCPA-IT Tech | 12/17/07
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RE: Opera: Setting the record straight on Microsoft and Web standards
cadstarsucks | 12/18/07
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Everybody get ready to drop some acid2
davidtristan@... | 01/02/08
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It's a bad idea it's like...
socialism=nowhere | 12/18/07
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When I am on the net,
hkommedal | 12/18/07
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Standards are needed as a baseline for proper competition
Silex | 12/18/07
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to the "IE just works" brigade
james.faction | 12/18/07
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I partially agree...
dawmail333@... | 01/09/08
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Why standards?
Update victim | 12/19/07
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stupid
aptdoc@... | 12/19/07
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What are courts for?
TristanGrimaux | 12/20/07
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RE: Opera: Setting the record straight on Microsoft and Web standards
wellduh | 12/21/07
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Split Browers: Home versus Corporate
wellduh | 12/21/07
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who needs 'em
Shep70 | 01/02/08
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Here's my 2cents worth!
jbaviera@... | 01/07/08
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Standards vs. innovation
david@... | 01/09/08
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Well, if people want Web Standards, don't use IE!
dawmail333@... | 01/09/08
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