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December 19th, 2007

Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 4:18 pm

Categories: Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer, Legal

Tags: Opera Software, Antitrust, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Standards, Web Browsers, Quality, Internet, Business Operations, Mary Jo Foley

Now that Microsoft has passed the Acid2 Browser test, is Opera Software satisfied? If dropping its antitrust complaint filed last week with the European Commission is the measure, the answer is no.

I asked Opera whether Microsoft’s announcement on December 19 that an internal Internet Explorer 8 build has passed the Acid2 test meant a change in its complaint. Opera asked the European courts to require Microsoft to change its practice of bundling IE with Windows, as well as to compel Microsoft to make IE comply with accepted Web standards.

An Opera spokesman delivered the company’s response:

“We congratulate Microsoft on the screenshots showing IE8 passing the ACID2 test. We appreciate the effort of Microsoft’s developers in this achievement.

“We hope that IE8 passes the ACID2 test out of the box when it ships and we look forward to testing IE8 on all the main Web standards.

“Our filing last week stirred many discussions on the value of Web standards. We hope IE8’s passing of the ACID2 test signals a change in Microsoft’s heart and mind regarding their support of the standards.”

Microsoft, for its part, is saying that its decision to go public this week with plans to make IE 8 Acid2-compliant had nothing to do with the timing of Opera’s filing. (I don’t buy that for a second, but that’s what IE Development chief Dean Hachamovitch told me.)

In a response to a blog post I did questioning the wisdom of Opera’s decision to seek court intervention to enforce IE standards-compliance, Opera CTO Hakon Wium Lie said:

“To help Microsoft and other browser makers support standards correctly, the Acid2 test was developed and published by the Web Standards Group. When published, it exposed bugs in all browsers. The programmers of Safari, Firefox and Opera got to work quickly and the latest versions of these browsers now pass the difficult test. Microsoft took a very different attitude and has not, seemingly, made any efforts to pass the test. This tells me we must do more than just ask them nicely.”

So it looks like Opera’s antitrust complaint stays as is. What’s your take? Should Opera just focus on IE bundling and drop the standards piece of its complaint? Drop its complaint in its entirety? Or do you think Opera is right in staying the course?

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RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward
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They should just drop it  eb276 | 12/19/07
Let's not beat around the bush here...  Qbt | 12/19/07
That's right case more about helping Opera  otaddy | 12/19/07
MORONIC SENTENCE OF THE YEAR  theo_durcan | 12/22/07
Totally agree...and I'll add  rramirez@... | 12/20/07
SPOT ON!!! Opera = Sour Grapes. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/20/07
oh yawn, fanboy  deaf_e_kate | 12/20/07
Dumbest thing I ever seen  Jedeye | 12/20/07
wmv is not a standard  seanferd | 12/20/07
Neither is the Skype protocol  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 12/20/07
Apples to Oranges  doug@... | 12/21/07
FF isn't integrated...  jason_thewebmannetwork | 12/21/07
Sorry, WMV is a standard  retardboy | 12/20/07
WMV is not a standard  madfenris@... | 12/21/07
Do you really want to go there?  retardboy | 12/21/07
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  nakedfish | 12/19/07
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  retardboy | 12/19/07
Oh wow retard boy, Microsoft shows a video where IE 8 passed the acid2 test  Non_Zealot | 12/19/07
Really?  Chustar | 12/19/07
I don't know - with Ballmer throwing chairs...  JCitizen | 12/20/07
pfff  seanferd | 12/20/07
Is that a fact? How would everyone  GuidingLight | 12/19/07
Ha! Ha! That's Funny  jimfraley | 12/20/07
Then don't use Microsoft products  NonZealot | 12/20/07
RE: Then don't use Microsoft products  black-jack | 12/20/07
Why do you think I care who uses MS products?  NonZealot | 12/20/07
If you don't US MS product.. BUG OFF..  ursulus | 01/23/08
Microsoft does have something to offer,,,  Non_Zealot | 12/20/07
Well, looks like  xuniL_z | 12/20/07
The probles with MS-inflicted Browser-fault goes  hkommedal | 12/20/07
I am just saying  GuidingLight | 12/22/07
Microsoft Cheating?  plovelace@... | 12/20/07
Why the video  laura.b | 12/20/07
Microsoft said from the beggining of the IE8 project  xuniL_z | 12/20/07
compliant with what?  seanferd | 12/20/07
Just maybe  Update victim | 12/20/07
This case makes little sense  Heatlesssun1 | 12/19/07
A reach??  Necrolin | 12/19/07
Calm Down  Chustar | 12/19/07
calm as can be  Necrolin | 12/19/07
.  retardboy | 12/19/07
History  seanferd | 12/20/07
No, it isn't.  retardboy | 12/20/07
Revisionist history  theo_durcan | 12/22/07
Don't blame the messenger  NanoProgrammer | 12/20/07
What?  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
This won't help though...  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
That is entirely too good a point to pass up  seanferd | 12/20/07
Granting legal priviledge does NOT level the playing field  toddo12 | 12/21/07
Thank you  NanoProgrammer | 12/21/07
What financial victory  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
How is he "worked up" (NT)  seanferd | 12/20/07
really, can't be standard unless a goverment...  DanLM | 12/19/07
so vote!  shis-ka-bob | 12/20/07
You are missing the point  seanferd | 12/20/07
As a reminder:  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Sorry ! Came out WRONG.  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Wow  toddo12 | 12/21/07
Great to see Opera keeping Microsofts feet to the fire. They will drag  DonnieBoy | 12/19/07
Are you now you are contridicting yourself?  GuidingLight | 12/19/07
Man, you are making me cry. Poor Microsoft having to move their butt and  DonnieBoy | 12/19/07
They are truely amazing, then  laura.b | 12/20/07
Addition  laura.b | 12/20/07
They have been working for over two years on IE8  easson | 12/20/07
That was my point  laura.b | 12/20/07
Laura, lot of internal politics there  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
I agree  laura.b | 12/20/07
Opera is exactly like the folks who stand outside of the Today Show...  Confused by religion | 12/20/07
You do not understand. Microsoft has been sitting on this for some time now  DonnieBoy | 12/20/07
Um, no they didn't. MS announced IE 8 BEFORE Opera filed  DevGuy_z | 12/20/07
Umm, they work 2 years on something they don't want?  MWPollard | 12/20/07
Do you genuinely believe what you are saying?  laura.b | 12/20/07
I see your usual insider tips are working again...  Confused by religion | 12/20/07
Come on guys, they may have announced IE8, but, they would NOT have been in  DonnieBoy | 12/20/07
Don't act dumb DB  eb276 | 12/20/07
Oh yeah they must had a separate dll for compatibility mode  DevGuy_z | 12/20/07
Don't feed the trolls  KTLA | 12/21/07
You're right  laura.b | 12/26/07
You FAILED to answer his question  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/20/07
The EU is a joke anyway.  evilkillerwhale@... | 12/20/07
So the EU is a joke because  hkommedal | 12/20/07
He probably meant  laura.b | 12/21/07
...are regarded here to be laughable?  theo_durcan | 12/22/07
laura.b, that is why....  mdsmedia | 12/22/07
@pablo  laura.b | 12/26/07
@mdsmedia  laura.b | 12/26/07
You, once again, did not answer the question  GuidingLight | 12/22/07
Opera fails the acid2 test on the Archos 605  NonZealot | 12/19/07
Even on Archos  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
So Opera gets to pick when it is compliant and when it isn't?  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Message has been deleted.  Non_Zealot | 12/20/07
I realize you lack...  xuniL_z | 12/20/07
Learn about the subject  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
I know plenty about the subject  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Ok, got it  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
I don't feel like a big loser  NonZealot | 12/20/07
I was talking of the general web  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
The "loser" thing  seanferd | 12/20/07
Oh and by the way  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
When text taken from a html-page or  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Question  seanferd | 12/20/07
Mobile content provider?  NonZealot | 12/21/07
Yea, well, last year "you people" told me how great Vista was going to be  zaine_ridling | 12/19/07
Exactly correct happy  Don Collins | 12/20/07
Even shorter...  MWPollard | 12/20/07
But obviously that's not enough...  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
What that is partially about is  seanferd | 12/20/07
THE BIG LIE??  Franciscus101 | 12/20/07
NOT a BIG LIE. Just a lot overstated.  hkommedal | 12/20/07
FF 2.0.0.11 Not Compliant Either....  hamster0914 | 12/19/07
FF  seanferd | 12/20/07
Just Freakin' untie IE from the OS MS!!!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 12/20/07
Suggestions  laura.b | 12/20/07
I love it when people make sense and think before writing!  patrykg | 12/20/07
Windows Update  soonerproud | 12/20/07
"Tied" is not the same as "bundled"  Ole Man | 12/20/07
I'll go with that  laura.b | 12/20/07
re: "Tied" is not the same as "bundled"  M.R. Kennedy | 12/20/07
Then why whine about it?  Ole Man | 12/20/07
re: Then why whine about it?  M.R. Kennedy | 12/20/07
Microsoft sells Windows twice  Ole Man | 12/21/07
OleMan: MS sells Windows twice  NonZealot | 12/21/07
NonZealot  Ole Man | 12/21/07
I am truely impressed.  xuniL_z | 12/20/07
Join the Kennedy whine team  Ole Man | 12/20/07
Unlike Microsoft's Internet Explorer, Apple's Safari can be deleted  Non_Zealot | 12/20/07
Okay. Done. Now what?  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Try that with explorer.exe  seanferd | 12/20/07
Explorer.exe is not IE  douglash | 12/20/07
It's not what's being asked  MacCanuck | 12/20/07
How do you remove PDF support from OS X?  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Nice red herrings  MacCanuck | 12/20/07
Reread  NonZealot | 12/20/07
PS You didn't answer a single one of my questions  NonZealot | 12/20/07
You know  laura.b | 12/21/07
I applaud you laura.b  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/22/07
Bundling vs integration  seanferd | 12/20/07
Message has been deleted.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 12/20/07
Try this:  laura.b | 12/21/07
It is NOT a problem that windows comes with a  hkommedal | 12/20/07
You are correct  jimfraley | 12/20/07
Mozilla was able to understand Microsoft's published interface  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Not the same...  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
ABSOLUTELY NOT  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/20/07
You speak of these Vast Majority as if you really knew them  Non_Zealot | 12/20/07
Get real!  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
vast majority  toddo12 | 12/21/07
opera  toddo12 | 12/21/07
I, for one, AM happy with IE in the OS  Confused by religion | 12/20/07
I think Opera should drop its complaint really  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
Bull  Thore | 12/20/07
Ok  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
These standards are not the law  soonerproud | 12/20/07
Good God, why would we want a law?  seanferd | 12/20/07
The EU HAS the legal right AND obligation  hkommedal | 12/20/07
W3C standards are not the rules  soonerproud | 12/20/07
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  bytehead@... | 12/20/07
Opera should definitely drop standards part  MWPollard | 12/20/07
This is not a lawsuit. It is a complaint to a governing body (EU) NT  soonerproud | 12/20/07
free competition based on product only not monopoly  panrio | 12/20/07
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  cpr2345 | 12/20/07
Acid test is a red herring  shis-ka-bob | 12/20/07
Bundling? Really antitrust-worthy?  MWPollard | 12/20/07
The performance advantages  MWPollard | 12/20/07
So you like the integration. Does that include when  hkommedal | 12/20/07
US Appeals court said "Harm vs Benefit"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/20/07
EC said has the same view  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 12/20/07
Plain and simple, Opera is a dead horse  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/20/07
Oh, man, don't say that!  laura.b | 12/20/07
Opera Fails You?  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
You should really be hating Windows then  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
Lots of exceptions  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
You are one tolerant person  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
Nope  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
As in  laura.b | 12/21/07
that is silly  shis-ka-bob | 12/20/07
Market Share  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
They do not make IE for *nix and therefore  hkommedal | 12/20/07
YOU would hope so, but  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
Firefox 3 doesn't even pass it perfectly  plovelace@... | 12/20/07
so what?  shis-ka-bob | 12/20/07
About why not the most dominant software shop in  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Opera isn't going for Mozilla its going for Microsoft  Boot_Agnostic | 12/22/07
Acid2  harlownetball@... | 01/14/08
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  ra_west@... | 12/20/07
Safari isn't a major/minor browser?  evilkillerwhale@... | 12/20/07
er...  evilkillerwhale@... | 12/20/07
Pursue  rarsa | 12/20/07
As far as competitors go, Opera will never say yes, its concluded  Boot_Agnostic | 12/20/07
This whole thing is ridiculous!  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
So about point #2. It is OK for the other 20% to have  hkommedal | 12/20/07
But...  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/21/07
If IE8 isn't enough, Opera versions need update  RDrr | 12/20/07
Learn to differentiate  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
Go to older versions of Opera and find that they do  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Stop Being Pawns  David@... | 12/20/07
Apple OS X  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
Safari is an application  Update victim | 12/20/07
Yes but...  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
And when Bob next door tells him to try another  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Watch for replies that attempt to deflect your point  NonZealot | 12/20/07
Thanks  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
It is NOT a lawsuit !  hkommedal | 12/20/07
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  Update victim | 12/20/07
I bet Opera's being paid under the table to pursue MS  pcguy777 | 12/20/07
So, who is paying them? (nt)  Too_Busy_To_Be_Here | 12/20/07
"Now that Microsoft has passed the Acid2 Browser test," what?  james.faction | 12/20/07
This is not an anti-trust case  soonerproud | 12/20/07
The real issue is  soonerproud | 12/20/07
I think out of all of the points you have indicated  nilotpal_c | 12/20/07
About 3. If you go to  hkommedal | 12/20/07
Can you  soonerproud | 12/20/07
Thank you, that is what I was trying to say  DanLM | 12/20/07
grrr, I need to learn to post correctly under the proper thread  DanLM | 12/20/07
I agree with you about the government  Ole Man | 12/21/07
Huh??  toddo12 | 12/21/07
Halloween IV: When Software Things Were Rotten  Ole Man | 12/22/07
@ Old Troll  M.R. Kennedy | 12/22/07
Name, Fame, and Guru Game  Ole Man | 12/22/07
Opera should see not drop this suite  tracy anne | 12/20/07
ODF is a totally different issue  NonZealot | 12/20/07
It is not anti-competition laws it is PRO competition  hkommedal | 12/20/07
My mistake  tracy anne | 12/21/07
Actually  tracy anne | 12/21/07
Actually  tracy anne | 12/21/07
Thanks for the good discussion  NonZealot | 12/21/07
Oops, tiny correction  NonZealot | 12/21/07
What's Unfairly tied to OS?  NanoProgrammer | 12/21/07
The problems is hitting people that DOES what you say:  hkommedal | 12/21/07
You'd be surprised  samoanbiscuit@... | 12/22/07
Sorry, but you can NOT stick ti IE if you are nNOT  hkommedal | 12/22/07
thank you for finally making this point  mdsmedia | 12/22/07
A point  laura.b | 12/26/07
This is pure old discrimination!  Ole Man | 12/22/07
What People Want  ExNavy91 | 12/22/07
And how is that relevant to this topic?  mdsmedia | 12/22/07
Yes ! That is correct ! We have to give the costomer  hkommedal | 12/22/07
Microsofts biggest as yet unused trump  llort0 | 12/23/07
Impossible! You've gotta be kidding  Ole Man | 12/23/07
OOXML  tracy anne | 12/27/07
It's "The Microsoft Way"  Ole Man | 12/28/07
Opera should drop the suit  John Musbach | 01/03/08
Who uses Opera anyway?!?!  marcshep77@... | 01/06/08
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  wanderson | 01/14/08
RE: Opera: Acid or no, its Microsoft antitrust complaint goes forward  motorhead1979@... | 01/29/08

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