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January 22nd, 2008

Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:39 am

Categories: App Compatibility, Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer

Tags: Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Mode, Standards, Web Browsers, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

Microsoft is planning to add a new, opt-in “super standards” mode to Internet Explorer (IE) 8 — a move of which some developers are critical.

IE Platform Architect Chris Wilson shared the details of how Microsoft plans to provide the greater standards compatibility, which it has promised for its next browser release via a January 21 posting to the IE Team Blog.

Wilson said Microsoft is planning to offer developers three modes in IE 8: the existing quirks mode, which will be compatible with current IE pages and applications; a “standards” mode, which will be the same as what’s offered by IE 7 and “compatible with current content”; and a third, super standards mode that will require the insertion of a <meta> element to guarantee the highest level of standards compatibility.

Wilson added:

“We believe this approach has the best blend of allowing web developers to easily write code to interoperable web standards while not causing compatibility problems with current content. We also think this approach allows developers to opt in to standards behavior on their own schedule and as it makes sense to them, instead of forcing developers into a responsive mode when a new version of IE has different behavior on their current pages.”

A number of commenters on the site took issue with the way Microsoft is planning to make IE 8 more standards-compliant. Many said they believed Microsoft should turn the super standards mode on by default (not make it an opt-in choice), as standards compatibility is more important than backward compatibility. Several posters said they believed Microsoft should abolish quirks mode with the IE 8 release.

I say enough of this bloody nonsense.  Break the bloody web, and maybe, just maybe, we’ll finally be able to break free of the morass of the pre-IE7 days,” said one poster, “Xepol.”

Sami, another commenter, echoing a number of others’ sentiments, said super standards mode should be the new default for IE 8: “I’d prefer having the superstandards mode on by default. Let the user switch to quirks mode, if the page is not displayed.”

Poster Eric Eggert agreed: “People shouldn’t have to opt in for the best Version of IE. If someone’s expecting IE8 to behave like IE7 he should opt out to IE8s behavior.”

Wilson has said repeatedly that Microsoft cannot abandon backward compatibility because there are more than half a billion IE users. He acknowledged in his latest blog post that Microsoft “broke the Web” for many with the introduction of IE 7, and that the company was not going to do that again. Microsoft worked with the Web Standards Project (WaSP) to devise the IE 8 standards plan, Wilson said. (WaSP-Microsoft Task Force member Aaron Gustafson blogged about his take on Microsoft’s IE 8 standards plan on January 21.)

The IE Team announced in December that early builds of IE 8 had passed the Acid 2 standards test, but didn’t go into details about how the company planned to deliver a more standards-compliant IE 8 build to developers and users. Microsoft has said it plans to release a first beta of IE 8 in the first half of this year. Many are expecting the company to release that beta in late February or early March, around the time of the company’s Mix ‘08 conference.

What do you think of Microsoft’s plan to make IE 8 more standards-compliant?

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Why cant MS offer both?
Why not offer superstandards and backword comp together? Take out the quirks and offer the super standards as default.

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Message has been deleted.  Jeremy W | 01/22/08
Yeah, but how do you really feel?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/22/08
Apparently...  James T. Kirk | 01/22/08
Not necessarily a permanent problem  hummingfrog | 02/25/08
Ummm...  bmerc | 01/22/08
Dude, get a life. Spending every waking moment of your life defend MS - NT  raycote | 01/22/08
But if he didn't...  John L. Ries | 01/23/08
Star Trek  crypt2121 | 01/23/08
I still think . . .  JLHenry | 01/23/08
To the rescue...  bhartman33@... | 01/22/08
For some reason, it put in a link back to this post...  bhartman33@... | 01/22/08
Behold, the Anti-Cox!!  techboy_z | 01/22/08
Naaahhh . . .  JLHenry | 01/23/08
FIREFOXFIREFOXFIREFOXFIREFOX  itanalyst | 01/22/08
Maybe  quikboy | 01/22/08
So...  A.Sinic | 01/23/08
What about...  jnoooo | 01/23/08
VBScript  payton@... | 01/23/08
No  vmaatta | 01/23/08
Please list the . . .  JLHenry | 01/23/08
Re: So...  none none | 01/23/08
Non Starter  crypt2121 | 01/23/08
No  vmaatta | 01/23/08
Well, Yes.  gypkap@... | 01/23/08
Firefox  gtg781w | 01/24/08
Um, yeah.  payton@... | 01/23/08
Wow...  jasonp@... | 01/22/08
IE is the standard  crypt2121 | 01/23/08
No even close  vmaatta | 01/23/08
Definition of Standard  gtg781w | 01/24/08
FF people ARE paying customers!  atomicsupergeek | 01/23/08
Trains+Standards  the.seeker@... | 01/23/08
You are only proving how wrong you are yourself  Ole Man | 01/23/08
No, Your wrong yourself  the.seeker@... | 01/24/08
Wheather I am wrong or right makes no difference  Ole Man | 01/24/08
Re: No, Your wrong yourself  none none | 01/24/08
Only one standard?  gtg781w | 01/24/08
What I said was............  Ole Man | 01/24/08
IE is ANTI-standards and that the reason tere is a problem.  hkommedal | 01/23/08
Do you know what lock in is?  gypkap@... | 01/23/08
A freshman student does not start out  Ole Man | 01/23/08
Articles  gtg781w | 01/24/08
Here's another (factual) one that's heavily biased  Ole Man | 01/24/08
Re: Do you know what lock in is?  none none | 01/23/08
The Internet was built on IE...  Mike Cox | 01/22/08
9.5  shallow_diver | 01/22/08
9.50  P. Douglas | 01/22/08
9.6732114  Stuka | 01/22/08
Standards mode-Developer opt in  geblack | 01/23/08
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.  ye | 01/22/08
No, just damned cuz they didn't....  techboy_z | 01/22/08
Doesn't change anything.  ye | 01/22/08
lol, you're saying the same thing in a different way!  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
No...  techboy_z | 01/22/08
Kerrching  A.Sinic | 01/23/08
Full Compliance with W3C would...  Raymond Danner | 01/29/08
But "from the get go" there were no "standards"  mombo | 01/23/08
Re: But "from the get go" there were no "standards"  none none | 01/23/08
Standards  rchasse2002@... | 01/24/08
Good point about the 'breaking websites' thing  Leria | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  mugunth.kumar@... | 01/22/08
All part of Microsoft's grand scheme to create compatibility problems while  DonnieBoy | 01/22/08
Standards-compliancy should be the *default*  techboy_z | 01/22/08
Standars compliance is does not help MS in any way. They only want to be  DonnieBoy | 01/22/08
Why not just run it on the DOCTYPE?  bportlock | 01/22/08
I'm not playing the IE crip game anymore  Chad_z | 01/22/08
Sounds like...  A.Sinic | 01/23/08
Not so sure. Many may be curious just to see it.  hkommedal | 01/23/08
9.5  P. Douglas | 01/22/08
I see the ABMers are out in full force tonight  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
Gee...  jasonp@... | 01/22/08
Developer tools right?  Mr_Dave | 01/23/08
Or is it NBMers that think they can do no wrong. First, MS is years late  DonnieBoy | 01/22/08
Nobody has FULL compliance  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
and the blindness continues  mdsmedia | 01/22/08
So you gonna support it?  IUseComputers | 01/22/08
Trivial Task  SpikeyMike | 01/24/08
Not Trivial at all  gtg781w | 01/24/08
Blindness?  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
Re: Nobody has FULL compliance  none none | 01/22/08
Microsoft Ignoring Customers  gtg781w | 01/24/08
Re: Microsoft Ignoring Customers  none none | 01/24/08
Revisionism  A.Sinic | 01/23/08
It's even more than that.  frgough | 01/23/08
Re: It's even more than that.  none none | 01/23/08
Default...  the.seeker@... | 01/24/08
Why is it so impossible for them to do anything right?  Userama | 01/22/08
Yes, can you actually answer my question?  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
Would you please update me...  Userama | 01/22/08
sure  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
You need a better list  dragosani | 01/22/08
Your replies are weak.  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
I'll let MS answer that one  mdsmedia | 01/22/08
Apologist?  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
I forgot to mention  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
Money Equal Haters  Windows Defender | 01/22/08
re: Firefox only good Mozilla product?  CobraA1 | 01/22/08
Bull  Windows Defender | 01/23/08
Programming AT the customer  McNee | 01/23/08
The "trying" is many years overdue. nt  hkommedal | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  velkymx@... | 01/22/08
Strategy  zenwalker | 01/22/08
Well, MS does want continued dependency on IE/Windows, that is obvious.  DonnieBoy | 01/22/08
Between Rock and Hard Place  orcmid | 01/22/08
As long as it is to Microsoft's advantage to have non-standard websites,  DonnieBoy | 01/22/08
They are doing the right thing  GeiselS@... | 01/22/08
Re: They are doing the right thing  none none | 01/22/08
Improvement over the status quo  John L. Ries | 01/22/08
Silverlight embedded  kevinet | 01/22/08
M$ should abandon IE and develop a new browser.  kraterz | 01/22/08
Why?  gtg781w | 01/24/08
funny...  doh123 | 01/22/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  frogstarr78@... | 01/22/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  RobzyC | 01/23/08
Lets try an adult response..  RobzyC | 01/23/08
STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!!  semi-adult | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  michael@... | 01/23/08
Opt in?  msdead | 01/23/08
do NOT break old web pages  hansonjb | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  EdSF | 01/23/08
YAAAAAWWWWN  pcguy777 | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  matt@... | 01/23/08
If Browsers were cars....  DigitalFrog | 01/23/08
How about articles on the TV converter box  BALTHOR | 01/23/08
It's the Corporate Service Commision  Ole Man | 01/23/08
uhhh.... first, let's just correct the obvious  semi-adult | 01/24/08
UUUggghhhh.... right church, wrong pew  Ole Man | 01/24/08
Why not auto-select mode based on code?  craig.thomler@... | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  farastormx@... | 01/23/08
Self-serving, anti-competetive and slows down standards adoption  mrregistered | 01/23/08
Standards aren't inherently good... They have to be good standards too.  TheWerewolf | 01/23/08
You are correct, sir!  jbucci | 01/24/08
I can't believe I read the entire reply stack!  kingmph@... | 01/23/08
It might be easier....  fho | 01/24/08
Standards set by minority  croberts | 01/24/08
Wow . . . dead on  mcarney@... | 01/24/08
Benjamin Franklin said...........  Ole Man | 01/24/08
Measured response  mcarney@... | 01/24/08
You are not being candid  Ole Man | 01/24/08
homespun wisdom  mcarney@... | 01/27/08
Re: Standards set by minority  none none | 01/24/08
Don't smiley-face me  croberts | 01/25/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  gtg781w | 01/24/08
I'am as ready to bash Microsoft as anyone  tracy anne | 01/24/08
Why can't they support standards alongside backwards compatibility???  John Musbach | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  atari8bit@... | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  bapu.mohapatra@... | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft to add a 'super standards' mode to IE 8  rcdorner@... | 01/26/08
as long as the page doctype declaration can enable super-standards mode  james.faction | 01/27/08
The web is too complex...  Narg | 02/25/08
Agree  dobick@... | 02/25/08
Here we go again  dobick@... | 02/25/08
RE: Uh, folks? This is business not a learning experience.  jsteff@... | 03/04/08
Why cant MS offer both?  nori.anand@... | 03/13/08

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