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February 25th, 2008

OOXML vs. ODF: What's happening this week

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:56 am

Categories: Google, Legal, Office, Office 2007, Office 2010/Office 14, SharePoint Server

Tags: ISO, Microsoft Corp., OpenDocument Format, OOXML, BRM, Q, Iso standards, Process Improvement, Quality, Business Operations

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From February 25 to 29 in Geneva, the next step in the seemingly never-ending show-down over whether Microsoft’s Office Open XML document format should be granted ISO standard status is taking place.

Microsoft is interested in gaining ISO’s approval for OOXML so that it can tout the format as being “open” and “standard-compliant” — two criteria that a growing number of business and government customers are requiring when purchasing software. Many of Microsoft’s competitors have been agitating against Microsoft receiving ISO standards approval for a variety of reasons. Many Microsoft competitors are hoping that failure to gain ISO standardization for Office will give them a way to better chip away at Microsoft’s 90+ percent desktop office-suite marketshare.

The week-long “DIS-29500 Ballot Resolution Meeting” (BRM) won’t culminate with a final vote this week. Insead, the delegates attending the meeting will have until March 29 to vote yes, no or abstain on Microsoft’s bid to get OOXML fast-tracked as an ISO standard.

Here’s a summary of what will/won’t — or perhaps I should say should/shouldn’t — happen this week for those following along at home.

Q: What is the purpose of the BRM?

A: “The meeting is for resolving comments that NBs (national bodies) have submitted (with their votes) on the text being Fast Tracked. This is done, essentially, by the meeting agreeing a set of revisions to the originally submitted DIS 29500 text.” (”ISO/IEC DIS 29500″ is the draft standard for Microsoft’s Office Open XML file formats.)

Q: Why is this BRM necessary?

A: After five months of balloting on whether or not OOXML should be fast-tracked as an international ISO standard, Microsoft’s OOXML standard proposal failed to get approval. Since that time, Microsoft has made a number of modifications in response to thousands of public comments on its proposal. According to ISO, “the comments that accompanied the votes will be discussed at the BRM along with modifications in an endeavour to make it acceptable for publication according to the ISO/IEC criteria.”

Q: Who is attending this week’s ballot-resolution meeting?

A: According to ISO officials, the only people permitted to attend the meeting are “representatives of the 87 NBs (national bodies) that are recorded as voting (either approve, disapprove or abstain) in the 2 September letter ballot, and who remain members of ISO/IEC; a delegation from the submitter (Ecma) ISO/IEC (ITTF) officials and administrators.” The press and the public are not allowed to attend the meeting. According to ISO, 120 participants have registered to attend the meeting.

Q: What’s next?

A: From ISO’s press statement: If (this) week’s BRM leads to a sufficient number of negative votes or abstentions being withdrawn or made positive within the 30-day period after the meeting, ISO/IEC DIS 29500 may proceed to publication as an international standard. Otherwise, the proposal will have failed and this fast-track procedure will be terminated.” Microsoft would have the option of resubmitting OOXML for ISO standards consideration.

Q: The fine print?

A: BRM Convenor Alex Brown reminds “bloggers and commentators” that “properly speaking OOXML is attempting to become an ‘ISO/IEC’ (International Organization for Standardization/International Electrotechnical Commission) standard, not just an ‘ISO’ standard. JTC 1 is the body which carries out dual standardisation for these parent organisations.”

And, as Brown notes on his blog, “In Switzerland, jaywalking is illegal. Let this be symbolic for expected standards of behaviour at the BRM!”

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Don`t worry, it`s a joke
MS is still "cleaning up" the documentation of their formats, maybe after 10 years and some 100 billions of Euros they can finish. Or not. MS thinks we need to pay for breath - this is their vision for "interoperability". Shame if the thing gets I$O...... (Read the rest)
Posted by: green alien Posted on: 03/03/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Your headline says much. (ODF vs OOXML)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Challenge again, I DARE YOU TO Respond.  TripleII | 02/25/08
your dreaming man  Quebec-french | 02/25/08
I know. He won't be back.  TripleII | 02/25/08
Once the standard exists  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
So there is NO CHOICE!  TripleII | 02/25/08
Can you move in to a house before its built?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Are you trying to say that MS wants to standardize an unfinished spec?  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Not at all, but a nice try.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
No, standards are not a game, they are for interoperability. And, you  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Yes, if you use ODF.  TripleII | 02/25/08
Nor do you...  storm14k | 02/25/08
And no one has  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Can you name even one feature missing from ODF that MS needs?  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Buwahahaha, are you lsot?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
But what is it that ODF can not do??? You fail to give even one example.  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
And again I say...  storm14k | 02/25/08
They put the cart before the horse  Ole Man | 02/25/08
This is more like approving a blueprint for ALL future houses, without ever  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Only if you build row houses all the same  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
All implementations of a file format must be the same or it is useless.  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Should we not get a new standard INCH first, so there was more choice?  hkommedal | 02/26/08
Spanky and the Predators; Oh and the guy in the Monster truck outback !  rtirman37@... | 02/26/08
But your post says nothing  storm14k | 02/25/08
Interoprability?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Last time I checked  storm14k | 02/25/08
Sorry, ODF simply can not perform the needed tasks  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Sorry, but ODF is not an application, only a document format. And, to date,  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Correct, but the format doesn't meet the needs  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Sorry, but you can not hame one thing that ODF can not do.  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Already did, your a day late and a dollar short  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
The DRM example is the only one you have given, and it is very lame,  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
Lame? Not to business and governments it isn't  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
ODF can add features?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
But, the useless DRM is the ONLY feature that you have named. And, it COULD  DonnieBoy | 02/25/08
If its open source...  CreepinJesus | 02/26/08
You are exposing yourself....  storm14k | 02/25/08
arguing with an ax-head  Ole Man | 02/25/08
Same as arguing with you Old Man or maybe  transposeIT | 02/26/08
arguing with you Old Man?  Ole Man | 02/26/08
you don't need those fancy features  Linux Geek | 02/25/08
When ODF can't meet it then reduce your  transposeIT | 02/26/08
Reducing expectations?  storm14k | 02/26/08
More FUD  TripleII | 02/25/08
And how many customers can that be?  transposeIT | 02/26/08
Insecurity  fde101 | 02/26/08
Only when the tail is owned by microsoft...  gskiii | 02/25/08
If a gorvernment or a county counsel is using ODF, should not  hkommedal | 02/26/08
Not quite  fde101 | 02/26/08
RE: OOXML vs. ODF: What's happening this week  shoktai@... | 02/25/08
headline  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/25/08
voting until they get the answer right?  martin23 | 02/25/08
Thats pretty much how it works  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 02/25/08
Non sequitur...  techboy_z | 02/25/08
Cite an example please.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Destroyed?  Cardinal_Bill | 02/25/08
Yes, "extended" is a good thing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
No,  Cardinal_Bill | 02/25/08
Halloween Docs...  SpikeyMike | 02/25/08
Then by all means use a commodity format, just  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
The vast majority  SpikeyMike | 02/25/08
You make a cracking point but...  odubtaig | 02/25/08
And you see nothing wrong in that?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
Not biased,  SpikeyMike | 02/25/08
Pure bias  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/08
do they have 'superdelegates'?  Linux Geek | 02/25/08
No, they have MicroDelegates  Ole Man | 02/25/08
Thanks for the info, Mary Jo  Goldie_Simmons | 02/25/08
Just an observation  zkiwi | 02/25/08
Wow, Axey's got every other post . . .  Basic Logic | 02/25/08
RE: OOXML vs. ODF: What's happening this week  ator1940 | 02/26/08
why can't MS just use ODF instead of trying to force everyone to use their  wessonjoe | 02/26/08
Tower of Babel  eweingartner@... | 02/26/08
standard ???  Update victim | 02/26/08
"Standard" BS  Ole Man | 03/01/08
Don`t worry, it`s a joke  green alien | 03/03/08

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