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February 27th, 2008

European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 5:17 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Legal, Linux, Office, Office 2007, Windows Server 2008/ Windows Server Longhorn, Windows client

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Now we know another reason Microsoft rolled out with great fanfare last week its interoperability principles. Not only was it hoping for one more chance to claim openness around its Office Open XML document format, but it was also hoping to head off another hefty antitrust fine from the European Commission.

On February 27, it became clear that Microsoft’s effort on the EC front was in vain: The EC announced it planned to charge Microsoft $1.3 billion for failing to comply with terms from EC’s 2004 antitrust case. The EC said the new fine (on top of the $1.2 billion it had already charged Microsoft) was for failing to provide competitors access to its protocols at a reasonable price, enabling them to build compatible solutions.

Microsoft officials are still maintaining that last week’s interoperability announcements — which included providing others free access to protocols and lower fees for licensing the patented ones — had nothing to do with any actions or hints of actions on the part of the EC. The timing of last week’s announcements was sheerly coincidental, Microsoft officials are still saying.

Here’s what Microsoft told me late on February 22, via an e-mail interview. The answers are from an unnamed company spokesperson:

Q: Why did Microsoft make this announcement on February 21? Is Microsoft saying that it was purely coincidental that it announced new interoperability measures a week before the OOXML ballot-resolution meeting Geneva? Or was there something happening on the European antitrust front that spurred these announcements?

A: The timing of this announcement is driven by the fact that we know that our customers, IT vendors and open source communities want to see this set of broad reaching changes to our technology and business practices implemented as soon as possible. The comprehensive set of activities apply across six high volume products, and will increase the openness of these products and drive greater interoperability, opportunity and choice for developers, partners, customers and competitors.

Q: Microsoft yesterday said that it will offer companies who want to license its patented IP/APIs/protocols a “very low rate.” Is this new rate lower than what Microsoft was offering before? How much lower?

A: It is generally lower than before.

Q: Microsoft and Samba entered into a complex agreement in December to allow Samba’s open source engineers access to Microsoft APIs and protocols needed to make their products interoperable. Samba paid 10,000 Euros (via a non-profit created by the Software Freedom Law Center) for this access. Will Microsoft be renegotiating its agreement with Samba and/or giving Samba any money back as a result of these new interoperability agreements?

A: PFIF (Protocol Freedom Information Foundation, the Software Freedom Law Center organization), along with the other MCPP (Microsoft Communication Protocol Program) and WSPP (Workgroup Server Protocol Program) licensees, will be contacted individually in the near future to discuss their specific situation in order to address their needs.

Whether or not you believe Microsoft is being forthright about why it trotted out a number of its top execs last week (Microsoft says it was simply coincidental timing; today’s EC announcement says different), the question remains whether the EC is being “reasonable” in levying these new fines. The EC’s contention is that Microsoft had more than four years to make these protocols available in a fair way to Microsoft’s competitors — and without its constant prodding that the Redmondians never would have. Microsoft officials have said it took the company all that time to clean up and publish the first set of protocols (MCPP and WSPP), at a cost of “millions” of dollars.

I’ve had some serious qualms about the EC antitrust case against Microsoft, primarily because I never felt that the EC proved customers were harmed by Microsoft’s actions. It proved, instead, that Microsoft’s competitors were harmed. But I have to say I do agree with the EC that Microsoft was trying to drag its feet as much as possible when it came to providing the promised protocols. Adding insult to injury, Microsoft acted like it made last week’s announcements out of the goodness of its heart, instead of because of the hope it could stave off another big fine.

What’s your take? Who is being more unreasonable here? The European Commissioner for Competition Neelie Kroes or Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer & Co.?

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legally, you don't have to pay the interest, you have to hold it escrow...  shryko | 02/28/08
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neither is ODF  GuidingLight | 02/27/08
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The EC has already defined what Microsoft must ship.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
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heres how this market works  agaudet | 02/29/08
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continued fines by the EU  rtk | 02/27/08
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EC Taxes.  Franciscus101 | 02/28/08
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Blair and Bush.  rtk | 02/28/08
you speak English good.  evilkillerwhale@... | 02/28/08
in reference to your reply to the reply to this message:  evilkillerwhale@... | 02/28/08
Microsoft.. just pull out of EU market... they need to be punished.  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
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Let's "spend billions pointlessly"  fr0thy | 02/28/08
I have it - Sinclair BASIC!  jlafitte | 02/28/08
Or Europe could use Linux  fr0thy | 02/29/08
EU is anti-capitalism  Tiggster | 02/27/08
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Not hardly  Tiggster | 02/27/08
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Exactly...nt  socialism=nowhere | 02/28/08
lets fine microsoft a billion, build ourselfves a new castle , buy a yacht  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
Better than a facist system. (Tried before !) 8nt)  hkommedal | 02/28/08
The latest EU treaty...  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Re: The latest EU treaty...  none none | 02/27/08
Microsoft is not the only company...  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
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99% wrong  Professor8 | 02/28/08
your economics is poor, and mistaken  evilkillerwhale@... | 02/28/08
look at intel and AMD  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
"The idea that a company can be successful in the market without tricks..."  bmerc | 02/28/08
WHO is without tricks ? ? Give us a break ! (nt)  hkommedal | 02/28/08
The idea that a company can be successful in the market without tricks  hbashman@... | 03/02/08
ABSOLUTELY!  de-void | 02/27/08
cameras at practically every traffic light system  bmerc | 02/28/08
yes the EU is socialist they don't promote anything but money in their  SO.CAL Guy | 02/27/08
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no one should disagree with what your saying  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
No it's a change of the status quo  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Promote Capitalism--Hello?  Red In Blue | 02/28/08
Hello ???  fr0thy | 02/28/08
alot of admins actually enjoy using their products  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
The effect is to give lazy 'competitors' ...  mwagner@... | 02/28/08
The effects is to enable  fr0thy | 02/28/08
EU is socialist, and so is M$  Professor8 | 02/28/08
MS has been getting in trouble all over the world, and right here in the  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Of course you won't  Tiggster | 02/27/08
Capitalism is great, but, we also have to enforce the laws.  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
It's not even about the law  Tiggster | 02/27/08
There are large proprietary software companies in Europe.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Yes, it is about the law. Every single capitalist country has laws that  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Do you even know anything about Europe?  bmerc | 02/28/08
All I Needed To Know...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 02/28/08
Although it could be argued ...  fr0thy | 03/01/08
Capitalism sucks  shoktai@... | 02/27/08
I would argue that it must be regulated, but, capitalism is alive and well.  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Brilliant Argument  tmayer@... | 02/28/08
Microsoft does not think themselves above the law  GuidingLight | 02/27/08
So, why is Microsoft in trouble all over the world. Why does everybody want  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
The EU see that  fr0thy | 02/27/08
Stick a fork in your argument, it's done.  bmerc | 02/28/08
I'd say flushing it would be the proper action  Ole Man | 02/29/08
M$ above the law  lederhoden | 02/29/08
Same thing that lead to DOJ anti-trust  Randalllind | 05/13/09
Look in the mirror  bportlock | 02/27/08
You're ignoring a simple fact  Tiggster | 02/27/08
I'm not ignoring anything....  bportlock | 02/27/08
Read what I say before shooting off  Tiggster | 02/27/08
Alright then....  bportlock | 02/27/08
Sorry, but  lederhoden | 02/29/08
What's with you, Tiggster?  jeanmarc@... | 02/27/08
This is not about European culture  Tiggster | 02/27/08
But that's exactly what it is!  jeanmarc@... | 02/27/08
In other words...  bmerc | 02/28/08
Smell the coffee Tiggster  fr0thy | 03/02/08
pathetic fallacies attempted and failed  bmerc | 02/28/08
A new idea  ssheil99@... | 02/28/08
It would boost the world economy  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Lame ....  morph000 | 02/28/08
zenophobe  deaf_e_kate | 02/27/08
Huh??  techboy_z | 02/27/08
The EU is pro-law, not anti-capitalism  Golodh2 | 02/28/08
EU is pro open competition  gnomezadams@... | 02/28/08
And MS has the right?  aallord | 02/28/08
EU is capitalism  vulpine@... | 02/28/08
what a idiot  dirtfarmer | 02/28/08
10/10 Mike impersonater  fr0thy | 02/28/08
The US is also socialist  Samun56 | 02/28/08
Also American mentality causes real harm ...  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Ignoramus  Eleutherios | 02/28/08
You should go and work for Fox News  ben.rattigan | 02/29/08
Further information requested.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Just all of the foot draging. There were many different ways that MS could  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
What?  mdemuth | 02/27/08
Reality check!  bportlock | 02/27/08
This case is apparently different.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Nope!  bportlock | 02/27/08
No, sorry.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Get real Anton...  bportlock | 02/27/08
Your link is from 2005  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Well, of course it is....  bportlock | 02/27/08
Changing the requirements.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Relax Anton....  bportlock | 02/27/08
No, the law is written, and it is NOT up to the EU to baby sit companies  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Also, it IS up to the EU to ensure  fr0thy | 02/27/08
Yes  de-void | 02/27/08
Two can play at this game.  JCitizen | 02/28/08
And we've got the ball and bat, and can go home with them  jlafitte | 02/28/08
The EU is already in a terrible trade balance..  JCitizen | 02/29/08
Forced to buy Chinese crap?  fr0thy | 03/01/08
The dropping dollar is the true threat here as I see it...  JCitizen | 03/01/08
Just the facts...  JCitizen | 03/02/08
I heard that the EU is also investigating the ISO vote on OOXML, and all of  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Overstepping their bounds  Tiggster | 02/27/08
Actually, they are not overstepping their bounds. EU law ONLY applies to  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
They ARE overstepping their bounds  Tiggster | 02/27/08
Japenese companies have been fined big time in the US for illegal  DonnieBoy | 02/27/08
Re: They ARE overstepping their bounds  none none | 02/27/08
Nupe there not..  filip.vandenbulck@... | 02/28/08
Overstepping their bounds???  jeanmarc@... | 02/27/08
Lower???  techboy_z | 02/27/08
I think you misunderstand.  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 02/27/08
I'm with you...  techboy_z | 02/27/08
Exactly  BobF_z | 02/28/08
source?  rtk | 02/28/08
No I suspect it may be true  fr0thy | 02/28/08
stuff your anti-vista rubbish  rtk | 02/28/08
And stuff your fat in the sucking machine  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Vista rules, that's why.  jlafitte | 02/28/08
FInd a tooth brush, and a dentist.  rtk | 02/28/08
Mario Monti  Yagotta B. Kidding | 02/27/08
Found a worthy successor.  Anton Philidor | 02/27/08
Well, worthy...  zkiwi | 02/27/08
Who?  bportlock | 02/27/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  qquidd@... | 02/27/08
More to come ...  johnfenjackson@... | 02/27/08
FYI  zkiwi | 02/27/08
Hmmm... Making Microsoft dissapear is right?  Roque Mocan | 02/27/08
Let's continues your theory  jeanmarc@... | 02/27/08
He is correct  GuidingLight | 02/27/08
Why not stamp out greed that impedes progress  fr0thy | 02/28/08
EU is on our side  Linux Geek | 02/27/08
EU can't help OSS  Tiggster | 02/27/08
it just did  Linux Geek | 02/27/08
Ok, now I'm 100% sure you're a troll  bmerc | 02/28/08
Are you on drugs?  Duke E. Love | 02/28/08
Be fair now ...  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Even Gawd could not help you. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/03/08
Rigtht ON! MS needs it's butt kicked more...  mikifinaz1@... | 02/27/08
Go EC! Go!  TechExec2 | 02/27/08
Next thing you know  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  stef@... | 02/27/08
Yeah we'll umm, go and get our fat sucked out  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  goingbust | 02/27/08
It's good to be  fr0thy | 02/28/08
It's good to be king ...  fr0thy | 03/02/08
European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  Eric_vanrhijn@... | 02/27/08
Meanwhile, back in the real world  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Abusive monopoly  Mikael_z | 02/27/08
Seems like The US is kind of unhappy with the EU.  gpernot@... | 02/27/08
"the lack of real competition"  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Looks like the EU...  lenohere | 02/27/08
Looks like the US  fr0thy | 02/27/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  james.faction | 02/27/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  Alber1690 | 02/27/08
EC getting out of hand?  fr0thy | 02/27/08
Not sure you know  rtk | 02/28/08
Assimilate  fr0thy | 02/28/08
esactly  rtk | 02/28/08
"illegal pre-installs"  fr0thy | 02/28/08
assimilate  Keywalker4God | 02/28/08
"bundled apps" maybe?  rtk | 02/28/08
Naaawwhh!  Ole Man | 03/02/08
Apple v Nokia is next  Alganon | 02/28/08
What a joke  FFT@... | 02/27/08
What a joke  fr0thy | 02/27/08
Maybe the EU  Boot_Agnostic | 02/28/08
So, what does the EC do with the money?  Boot_Agnostic | 02/28/08
Spend it on weapons  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  Kostaghus | 02/28/08
EU Crybababies!! Wha!!  Dilberter | 02/28/08
You forgot Michael Jackson  TheMadWoodpusher | 02/28/08
The EU/EC position  gnomezadams@... | 02/28/08
Forgive their paranoia  fr0thy | 02/28/08
WU Western Union needed  Dilberter | 02/28/08
Western Union  Keywalker4God | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  rolf.ernst@... | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  llval@... | 02/28/08
Western Union  rolf.ernst@... | 02/28/08
Please, Please  chaz15 | 02/28/08
Euros vs $s  sborsher | 02/28/08
EC?  rolf.ernst@... | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  francis_maxwell@... | 02/28/08
Gosh - Microsoft spent millions actually cleaning up  tony@... | 02/28/08
They were cleaning up anyway  fr0thy | 02/28/08
EU Fine  High Plains | 02/28/08
Oh no, please don't say that ...  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Free Market  spidermac | 02/28/08
It's because the great unwashed  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Go EU!  David Blomstrom | 02/28/08
But, but, but  fr0thy | 02/28/08
When in Rome . . .  andy_scorer@... | 02/28/08
EU will never see the money and MS will close out Windows via Zues!  rtirman37@... | 02/28/08
When in the world  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Assumptions  cjohnson@... | 02/28/08
MS's goal was a monopoly, so now they have to be one  royalef | 02/28/08
Does anyone believe anything from MSFT any more?  Jeremy W | 02/28/08
Really?  jiggafied8 | 02/28/08
Yes, really  Jeremy W | 02/28/08
Hmmmm....  jiggafied8 | 02/28/08
Huh? Are you dreaming?  Jeremy W | 02/28/08
Interesting...  jiggafied8 | 02/28/08
Godwin's law  rtk | 02/29/08
the debate?...... more like a massacre  Ole Man | 03/01/08
You need to learn about computing  fr0thy | 02/29/08
Why do we call eachother names like freaking liberal?  kedens | 02/28/08
the reign of lacking ideas and splattering hate radio  llval@... | 02/28/08
Yes  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Choice is good  k12linux_z | 02/28/08
Hooray!!!  jiggafied8 | 02/28/08
Here Here!!!  aallord | 02/28/08
Penelop and Rupert won't be happy  fr0thy | 03/02/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  old geek | 02/28/08
viva america ?  llval@... | 02/28/08
just to clarify  llval@... | 02/28/08
Does it suck to be him?  fr0thy | 03/02/08
that is pure ignorance.  Hogleg | 02/28/08
Boycott ALL European Goods  appealnow@... | 02/28/08
Is the Law the Law in the US  iangs | 02/28/08
how stupid!  a-bowmam@... | 02/28/08
the boycott works already O:)  llval@... | 02/28/08
What European goods to Americans buy now?  ben.rattigan | 02/29/08
first  llval@... | 02/29/08
Especially not Aeroplanes  fr0thy | 03/01/08
I'm UK born and bred  fr0thy | 02/28/08
You'd be surprised  DB_z | 02/28/08
I know wink  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Ant-American Blabber  ceh4702 | 02/28/08
"all the other pompous bastards"  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  ssearight | 02/28/08
Yup  jiggafied8 | 02/28/08
All that would happen is ...  fr0thy | 02/28/08
not quite.  Hogleg | 02/29/08
Expensive houses in London  fr0thy | 02/29/08
funny  rtk | 02/29/08
But can you figure out its meaning?  fr0thy | 03/01/08
Oh, really?  Samun56 | 02/28/08
Spot on happy  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Euro Monopoly Attempt  michaelkhalsa | 02/28/08
Pig ignorance  fr0thy | 02/28/08
nice  Hogleg | 02/29/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  tedrich | 02/28/08
So that you can eat more  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Have you been to America lately?  stoobers | 02/28/08
Thank goodness !!!!!  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Nonesense!  mwagner@... | 02/28/08
Nonsense  fr0thy | 02/28/08
You are ten years behind...  wmlundine | 02/28/08
So stagnating means to you...  zkiwi | 02/28/08
Ford model T is still supported. Windows 98 should be too.  stoobers | 02/28/08
I'll bet those parts are not made by FORD.  mwagner@... | 02/28/08
And that's without even mentioning  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Restoration  Professor8 | 02/28/08
I'll bet those parts are not made by FORD  Ole Man | 02/28/08
That is Stupid, Heres Why  michaelkhalsa | 02/28/08
In a sense you're right ...  fr0thy | 02/28/08
I still make software for windows 98  stoobers | 02/28/08
Fine, but VERY FEW people still run ...  mwagner@... | 02/28/08
Why the beach?  Ole Man | 02/28/08
multi-platform software that runs under win 98, me, server 2003, xp and vis  fr0thy | 02/28/08
To some extent, both are ...  mwagner@... | 02/28/08
But don't forget that  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  clebeouf@... | 02/28/08
It all boils down to greed  fr0thy | 02/28/08
If MS were Airbus....  off_center | 02/28/08
"May Microsoft does need it's own government"  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Airbus doesn't hold a monopoly position in the market  WiredGuy | 02/28/08
Freedom and openness.. oops!  green alien | 02/28/08
Indicates the quality of their code ...  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  WinnebagoBoy | 02/28/08
Except that  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  jbogin@... | 02/28/08
Boo Hoo no please, please, please,  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Correct me if I'm wrong  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Wondering  High Plains | 02/28/08
for better and worse software  Professor8 | 02/28/08
Copies?  morph000 | 02/28/08
I know linux pros who can navigate in a MS Server platform  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
correction: who CANT navigate  pcguy777 | 02/28/08
I know an Italian  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  CustomComputers | 02/28/08
Back to the days of taxation without representation  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Wot me worry!?  aryu.limitless@... | 02/28/08
Microsoft will never pay  BALTHOR | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  a-bowmam@... | 02/28/08
This is the rationale of a nation  fr0thy | 02/28/08
hell with the ec  dj-57@... | 02/28/08
Hell with the US  fr0thy | 02/28/08
Good suggestion to stop selling in EC  nizuse | 02/28/08
That'll be the day....  jlafitte | 02/28/08
Europeans aren't the megalomaniacs  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Microsoft isn't above the law they need to start obeying  Randalllind | 02/28/08
It wasn't them though  fr0thy | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  drprod@... | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  Alan99 | 02/28/08
Because Apple aren't yet  fr0thy | 02/28/08
...  evilkillerwhale@... | 02/28/08
Our job is to  fr0thy | 02/28/08
since when has MS ever been reasonable?  Hobyx | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  jlafitte | 02/28/08
Microsoft Reasonable  mudfoot | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  kush13@... | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  bigpicture | 02/28/08
Microsoft is a doomed company  e_caroline@... | 02/28/08
An Idea For IBM  e_caroline@... | 03/01/08
Yeah, Microsoft is reasonable, all right!  Ole Man | 02/28/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  richdave | 02/28/08
@ fr0thy  rtk | 02/28/08
I was bored  fr0thy | 02/29/08
And 90% of the froth! wink  JCitizen | 02/29/08
Fight froth with froth wink  fr0thy | 02/29/08
There's no fight, just froth.  rtk | 02/29/08
Microsoft. Your impotence, our poisson.  fr0thy | 03/01/08
EC Sucks ... Sorry.  Fujikid2 | 02/28/08
EC (EU) sucks  snowbandit | 02/28/08
Too bad it doesn't come down to  Boot_Agnostic | 02/29/08
Guilty as charged  johnfenjackson@... | 02/29/08
Re: Guilty as charged  jlhughes@... | 03/02/08
Heard of Wintel?  fr0thy | 03/02/08
Re: Heard of Wintel?  jlhughes@... | 03/02/08
Beg them to lock us back in?  fr0thy | 03/02/08
MS Still Abusing Position - New Complaints  wwwsupport | 02/29/08
MS Still Abusing Position - New Complaints  wwwsupport | 02/29/08
economics  agaudet | 02/29/08
Who...?  Update victim | 02/29/08
Both - but a hard one  walbury@... | 03/01/08
Those darn Linux install fests ...  fr0thy | 03/01/08
Thermate?  whisperycat | 03/03/08
Need to see more than one case.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/03/08
Another pronouncement...  zkiwi | 03/04/08
Your rant changes nothing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/05/08
Airbus is doing fine!  nizuse | 05/13/09
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  Disgruntled M$ User | 03/07/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  motorhead1979@... | 03/29/08
RE: European Commission vs. Microsoft: Who is being unreasonable?  ceh4702 | 05/12/08
LOL  nizuse | 05/13/09
Fine is for success  wellduh | 05/17/09

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