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March 9th, 2008

Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 12:56 pm

Categories: App Compatibility, Channel, Corporate strategy, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), E-mail, Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Online Communications, Mary Jo Foley

Microsoft is trying to put the kibosh on more of its internal (and embarassing) e-mail messages around its Vista marketing plans going public.

As Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter Todd Bishop blogged on March 7, Microsoft is appealing the decision to turn the “Vista-capable” lawsuit lodged last year into a full-blown class-action case.

(The original suit, filed in March 2007, claimed Microsoft “engaged in bait and switch — assuring consumers they were purchasing ‘Vista Capable’ machines when, in fact, they could obtain only a stripped-down operating system lacking the functionality and features that Microsoft advertised as ‘Vista.’”)

As Bishop explains, Microsoft also is trying to halt the release of additional internal documents to the plaintiffs’ lawyers until Microsoft’s appeal is resolved. Microsoft is citing the time — and money — required to produce internal e-mails pertaining to the case as the reasons it is seeking the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to stop the publication of more Vista-marketing-related mail.

Not surprisingly, Microsoft’s lawyers don’t mention how much public-relations damage these e-mails is doing to Microsoft’s battle-weary Vista team.

The initial batch of e-mail in this case included messages from Microsoft board member Jon Shirley, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, former Vista chief Jim Allchin and current Windows engineering chief Steven Sinofsky lambasting the convoluted “Vista-Ready” vs. “Vista-Capable” distinction Microsoft attempted to make when introducing the product over a year ago. Microsoft’s own troops couldn’t get their existing peripherals to work with Vista, as they noted in the batch of e-mail already released as part of this case. And then there’s the issue of the hoops Microsoft jumped through to help its Wintel ally Intel sell old hardware that was barely capable of running Vista. Not a pretty picture….

With every version of Windows, Microsoft has worked with hardware partners to find new ways to try to convince users they need more and more powerful machines to take advantage of more feature-rich software. If Microsoft and its partners were/are successful, it means more money in the PC makers’ and Microsoft’s coffers. With Vista, this pact really back-fired, as the already published e-mails around Vista-capable — and more, as-yet-unpublicized messages — will make evident.

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RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public
I've been saying this for years. Ask this question "Who are Microsoft's customers"? Guess what? It's not the average user, it's Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. What can Microsoft do to make it's customers hap... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Axsimulate Posted on: 03/18/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Post em on ZDNet in a lesser known blog  TripleII | 03/09/08
Zing!  James T. Kirk | 03/10/08
The truth will out  fr0thy@... | 03/09/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 03/09/08
Deleted been message has.  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Indeed!  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Don't leave Ole Man  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Don't worry  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Since you're always among the first  Dr. John | 03/10/08
He's always one of the first  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Just because  Ole Man | 03/10/08
ZDNET = China  itanalyst2@... | 03/10/08
Message has been deleted.  Me_too | 03/10/08
MS has been doing this for ages.  kraterz | 03/09/08
Oh what a tangled web...  Rick_K | 03/09/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  Henry Miller | 03/10/08
No what is truly atonishing...  mrlinux | 03/10/08
Works for me  mgrubb@... | 03/10/08
RE: Works For Me  High Plains | 03/10/08
So Nice!  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
re: Works for me  Badgered | 03/10/08
Mislead  mgrubb@... | 03/10/08
It's not about marketing...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
MS did the same thing after the Iowa trial  MacCanuck | 03/10/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Fanboys!  bportlock | 03/10/08
The rest of the world doesn't and never had dictated what the US does.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Put your analyst on danger money....  bportlock | 03/10/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 03/10/08
Not True!  mgrubb@... | 03/10/08
OK...  bportlock | 03/10/08
OK...so ....  Zymurge | 03/10/08
Reading 101 for you...  bportlock | 03/10/08
How Dare They  mgrubb@... | 03/10/08
@mgrubb  bportlock | 03/10/08
Fanboys  High Plains | 03/10/08
Ever hear the term 'Seller Beware'!  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
So, High Plains...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
Point your mat towards Seattle and pray?  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
None of what you are saying will change MS in the next 100 years.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Software is the frontier  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
No, you got that wrong!  andrej770 | 03/10/08
It was a different argument ...  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Now, I do agree with that!  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Can You Say 'Adjudicated Monopoly'?  dumptux | 03/10/08
Off topic.  Arm A. Geddon | 03/10/08
Sorry, it should have read as "linuxisatoy". [nt]  Arm A. Geddon | 03/10/08
Hmmm...people like to join the winning group.  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
RE: Heard of Silverlight?  Me_too | 03/10/08
Andrej770...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
Don't you mean could NOT care less ?  magcomment | 03/10/08
Average consumers don't care at all about this issue.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
You need to reread the article ...  George Mitchell | 03/10/08
Nothing will change.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Time to starve the troll (NT)  John L. Ries | 03/10/08
Yep, that is mature!!  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Looking in the mirror?  bportlock | 03/10/08
I care...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Message has been deleted.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Its not my job to deny. It's my choice to have an opinion!  andrej770 | 03/10/08
And it is EVERYONES choice to ignore the ad-man behind the curtain!  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
Does this surprise anyone?  dunn@... | 03/10/08
Where are the MS fan boys?  Chad_z | 03/10/08
*Shrugs*  yes.im.alex@... | 03/10/08
I'm sorry...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
This is not limited to Microsoft.  ye | 03/10/08
It's worthy news because  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Again: This is not limited to Microsoft.  ye | 03/10/08
This IS and I.T. blog ....  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Not saying it should be hidden.  ye | 03/10/08
It only becomes newsworthy when there is nothing else to talk about. happy  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Welcome to the internet age  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
@fr0thy: Doubtful  ye | 03/10/08
I agree! Only the under or completely uneducated think this is MS specific  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Do nothing because they're all at it?  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
But does it make it right?  zkiwi | 03/10/08
Think about it. Have right and wrong ever really mattered.  andrej770 | 03/10/08
Yes, they have always mattered  zkiwi | 03/10/08
Some posters...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
You got them pegged  Ole Man | 03/12/08
Faint praise!  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Re: Garbage.  Arm A. Geddon | 03/10/08
There is an old  Ole Man | 03/10/08
Whine! Cry! Everyone does it so MS (monopoly withstanding) should be able !  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
Perhaps it is considered news because...  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
Re: Where are the MS fan boys?  Paradigm_Shift | 03/10/08
I love it when MS talks about time / expense to retrieve documents  Palmetto | 03/10/08
Excellent point  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
a marketing ploy gone bad  Ole Man | 03/10/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  IMRAN@... | 03/10/08
Time taken to access internal emails for court...?  David Gale | 03/10/08
Time to calculate the backhanders  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Microsoft can't be trusted.  David Gale | 03/10/08
Using slower software to sell faster hardware  John L. Ries | 03/10/08
Bitty, Oh Bitty, Where For Art Thou Bitty?  itanalyst2@... | 03/10/08
Don is TOO OLD to make up his own mind...  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
RE: This suit should include their Hardware check app....  carlsf@... | 03/10/08
A new member of MSVA  MalumRegnat\ | 03/10/08
NO Problem here! Happlily able to run Vista on my MacPro if need be !  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
w3c validator reports 3237 errors  fr0thy@... | 03/10/08
Funny - Microsoft got 29 errors while Mine got 8 errors!  nomoremicrosoft | 03/10/08
Browser restart?  Hsbarney@... | 03/10/08
A free cool,delete the impossible to delete,method  BALTHOR | 03/10/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  brettze | 03/10/08
Thinking of Ned Beatty in DELIVERANCE  drprodny | 03/10/08
Vista Who? ...I got the ole IE 7 file switch and now I own an FX Gamer.  rtirman37@... | 03/10/08
Microsoft may be big and powerful but they still can't lie  John Musbach | 03/10/08
Here here!  fr0thy@... | 03/11/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  lloyd_j@... | 03/11/08
BillyG was guest moderator  fr0thy@... | 03/11/08
Those deletions  Ole Man | 03/11/08
RE: Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public  Axsimulate | 03/18/08

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