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March 20th, 2008

Why Windows 7 might go to pieces

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:27 pm

Categories: App Compatibility, Channel, Corporate strategy, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Windows 7, Windows Live, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

There are a growing number of clues that Windows 7 — the next version of Windows about which Microsoft continues to remain mum — could be available in pieces.

By “pieces,” I mean a couple of different things:

1. Delivered in a role-based fashion, a la Windows Server.

Windows Server 2008 allows users to select which bits they want to install or ignore, based on a handful of predetermined “roles.” Windows Server Core is the minimum configuration. Given that Windows client and server are built from the same code base, doesn’t it make sense that the next version of client also will move to more of a roles-like system? Microsoft already allows OEMs to pick and choose among components using the OEM Preinstallation Kit (OPK). So why not allow customers to do the same?

A user-selectable, role-based Windows client could help Microsoft’s marketing folks from having to make the kinds of SKU choices that got Microsoft in legal hot water with Windows Vista. It wouldn’t be Microsoft deciding what constitutes “Windows-7-capable.” Instead, users would choose how much (or little) of Windows 7 they want on their systems.

2. Divided into complementary Software+Services elements.

Again, Microsoft has been foreshadowing, to an extent, what it is planning here. With Windows Vista, Microsoft showed that it could update components of Vista (example: the Windows Photo Gallery) via a Windows Live service (Windows Live Photo Gallery). One of my sources close to Microsoft recently told me that “major parts are being removed from Windows 7 (mail, photo, video)” but still will be available as user-selectable services. This plan, if it comes to pass, ought to help lessen the Windows attack surface that has been the target of various Microsoft competitors and antitrust regulators who’ve been critical of Microsoft bundling everything but the kitchen sink into Windows.

To be clear: Microsoft hasn’t confirmed any of these theories. And doubters may claim that the first, early test build of Windows 7 that made it into certain testers’ hands seemingly didn’t provide indications that turning Windows 7 into a bunch of disparate parts is Microsoft’s game plan.

(Too bad the Technical Committee affiliated with the U.S. Department of Justice isn’t talking; the TC recently took delivery of an early Windows 7 build in order to give it a first sweep for potential areas of legal concern….)

At the same time, however, it’s important to note that my concepts of a componentized Windows 7 aren’t coming out of the blue. Microsoft has been working since the early part of this decade to try to untangle Windows and reduce the dependencies of various Windows subsystems on one another. By doing this, the Windows team is trying to make Windows less complex to test, fix and update.

And we do know that Microsoft — last we heard — had managed to create “MinWin” — a stripped-down verion of the Windows kernel, that it is planning to make the heart of Windows 7 and its successors. It would seem feasible that the Softies would be able to use MinWin as the base upon which it could allow users to “add back” services and subsystems of their choosing.

Would you be in favor of Microsoft providing Windows 7, due in 2010, in pieces: Either in the form of user-selectable roles and/or by decoupling some of the integrated features and making them optional add-on services?

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Having one version of Windows 7 would be best
And that is the 'Ultimate' version that I am using on my one computer. I have to agree that having 6-8 different versions of Windows 7 is just going to confuse the normal user big time.

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Confused  joe1972 | 03/20/08
Server and client shared same kernel since NT 3.1  PB_z | 03/20/08
Pah!! They're just copying Linux  mark@... | 03/23/08
UAC would be a good place to start for user selected  boed | 03/20/08
Opting out of UAC is a VERY bad idea  Michael Kelly | 03/21/08
boed i have one word for ya TweakUAC  SO.CAL Guy | 03/21/08
So.Cal Guy  boed | 03/21/08
for the umpteenth time...  evilkillerwhale@... | 03/22/08
Vista's middle name is problem  boilers78 | 03/25/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  mark_fox@... | 03/20/08
This is drivel  wolf_z | 03/21/08
Whoops! Sorry!  wolf_z | 03/21/08
You are absolutely CORRECT. Why bloggers would propagate  xuniL_z | 03/21/08
Bully for you and the short term market effect  mark@... | 03/23/08
Bully for you and your short term landfill effect  xuniL_z | 03/24/08
So by your logic  fr0thy@... | 03/26/08
Vista runs great on my old 486...  four-eyes_z | 03/24/08
It runs great in my wheelbarrow, too.....  Ole Man | 03/24/08
... the long wait  MultiMike | 03/31/08
Yeah, right!  Ole Man | 03/21/08
so ole man the majority means bloggers now  SO.CAL Guy | 03/21/08
"you do not get real information"  Ole Man | 03/21/08
What you can do to enhance your credibility  xuniL_z | 03/21/08
Goody goody for you!  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Oh goodie, know what your GPL means? Or  xuniL_z | 03/21/08
"150 million Vista owners, what percentage of them have had issues"  mark@... | 03/23/08
Ole Man and Mark@  xuniL_z | 03/24/08
Read your EULA, Zuny  Ole Man | 03/24/08
xuniL_z - nice post  Speednet | 03/25/08
re:Speednet - nicely done - Thank you NT  ItsTheBottomLine | 03/25/08
The benevolent Microsoft  Ole Man | 03/25/08
You don't get man  marks055@... | 04/01/08
It is 'Drew" never dribble: 1,1,1,1,4,6,6.0.1.63243; 7" !!!!!  rtirman37@... | 03/22/08
Another [less humorous] Mike Cox?  brian ansorge | 03/31/08
Services and Componentization  Bruce IV | 03/20/08
How open source has influenced Windows Server 2008  D-T-Schmitz | 03/21/08
Vista a Big Mistake for garage tech who loves XP SP2; Silver Serfer forever  rtirman37@... | 03/21/08
Why would Microsoft cripple Windows?  Anton Philidor | 03/21/08
Were you kidding?  boed | 03/21/08
Spending money indicates approval.  Anton Philidor | 03/21/08
Necessity is the mother of... inflated statistics  awgiedawgie | 03/23/08
Attn: "boed" . . .  brian ansorge | 03/31/08
Wrong tense.........  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Correction  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Wrong tense  xuniL_z | 03/21/08
" I can picture your twisted up face"  Ole Man | 03/24/08
"the success of Vista has been spectacular"  mark@... | 03/23/08
These blog users (including myself) are NO bellwethers! nt  ItsTheBottomLine | 03/25/08
Correct, for once  Ole Man | 03/25/08
HEY! What a great idea  Jeremy W | 03/21/08
Actually, It is a great idea  moose7710 | 03/21/08
How about "think a LOT"  awgiedawgie | 03/21/08
"hit on something good for a change."  Ole Man | 03/21/08
"If they can make it easy to choose"  mark@... | 03/24/08
What?????????  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Just going by what the article says.  moose7710 | 03/21/08
Miracles do happen!  Ole Man | 03/21/08
We've waited anyway  awgiedawgie | 03/23/08
Good idea, but won't work  jheine | 03/21/08
So true...  zkiwi | 03/21/08
Good points but...  awgiedawgie | 03/23/08
Excuse me a sec here.....  xuniL_z | 03/24/08
A few secs of interesting tidbits.........  Ole Man | 03/24/08
What are you talking about? That's ALL been Tried!......  xuniL_z | 03/24/08
Devious?  Ole Man | 03/24/08
Linux?  crypt2121 | 03/21/08
And how does Linux prevent those things from happening?  Michael Kelly | 03/21/08
Linux?  thezorch@... | 03/25/08
Yes, Linux  nwoodson@... | 03/21/08
"at no extra cost"  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Windows or Linux?  transposeIT | 03/23/08
Re: Story... Why would Microsoft cripple Windows.  Anton Philidor | 03/21/08
Sometimes less is more  Michael Kelly | 03/21/08
On/Off switches  Anton Philidor | 03/21/08
"Why would Microsoft cripple Windows"  Ole Man | 03/21/08
The basic idea is a good one  Michael Kelly | 03/21/08
Have seen the prototypes already...  Mike Cox | 03/21/08
Drum roll...10  D-T-Schmitz | 03/21/08
10! (nt)  philpenn | 03/21/08
Try 10 minute installation.  xuniL_z | 03/21/08
I'm holding out hope for W7  kcredden2 | 03/21/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  ebackups | 03/21/08
Microsoft and judgement?  nwoodson@... | 03/21/08
Takes the cake!  Ole Man | 03/21/08
My code is littered with IF statements  LittleGuy | 03/21/08
You Still Get Linux In One Piece  itanalyst2@... | 03/21/08
Let'em fish!  steven4138 | 03/21/08
Sorry- Meant for replies to Mike's Post  steven4138 | 03/21/08
Sorry  philpenn | 03/21/08
Vista II - 28 Days Later  Chad_z | 03/21/08
A true Prophet  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Victims?  transposeIT | 03/23/08
Cloud Control  HooNoze | 03/21/08
"If the future of computing is to be web-based"  Ole Man | 03/21/08
An MSCloudy future  HooNoze | 03/21/08
You have keen insight  Ole Man | 03/22/08
Vendor lock-in, or vendor lock-out?  mark@... | 03/23/08
Maybe to compete with open source they'll give the base core away  brian.ward | 03/21/08
I stay with Vista  qmlscycrajg | 03/21/08
Whoever writes Windows  BALTHOR | 03/21/08
Why wait?  tracy anne | 03/21/08
Well they certainly were consistent for a while...  Cardinal_Bill | 03/21/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  ramien@... | 03/21/08
What is the COMPELLING reason?  Ole Man | 03/21/08
Yes, you've been blind by the fictitious Vista stories  xuniL_z | 03/24/08
Oh yessss!  Ole Man | 03/24/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  ramien@... | 03/21/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  jfreedle2@... | 03/21/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  abhishek0216@... | 03/21/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  wanderson | 03/22/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  champreplacemnt@... | 03/22/08
so how much does MS pay astroturfers these days  A.Lizard | 03/22/08
After all of that works integrating everything  CobraA1 | 03/23/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  explorist_gps | 03/23/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  atari8bit@... | 03/23/08
Yeah by then even the MS puppets will ...  mark@... | 03/24/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  stevie.wilson@... | 03/25/08
Odd...  Cardinal_Bill | 03/25/08
This is not a new concept  Ole Man | 03/25/08
Here we go again...  thezorch@... | 03/25/08
Is this defragmentation?  lasersteel | 03/25/08
it's the users  lauren.glenn@... | 04/01/08
Having one version of Windows 7 would be best  Lerianis | 03/15/09
I'd like this  John Musbach | 03/26/08
Going To Linux Or Mac OS After XP Support Runs Out  itanalyst2@... | 04/01/08
you obviously never used Vista  marks055@... | 04/01/08
We've got enough versions of Vista now  alohatim | 04/09/08
Not Copying Linux but Making Linux Shut Up !  pobstar1@... | 04/09/08
Confused ducks fly south in the summertime  Ole Man | 04/09/08
RE: Why Windows 7 might go to pieces  tomax7 | 04/17/08
I don't like the live suite/services. Live suite is pure bloatware  qmlscycrajg | 09/23/08
You do know it asks you whether to install  Lerianis | 03/15/09

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