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April 7th, 2008

Google App Engine: When will Microsoft field a competitor?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 8:22 pm

Categories: Corporate strategy, Database, Development tools, Google, SQL Server, Web 2.0

Tags: Google Inc., Amazon.com Inc., Microsoft Corp., RDBMS, BigTable, SimpleDB, SSDS, Databases, Storage, Application Servers

On April 7, Google took the wraps off of more than many had expected: Not just a hosted database platform, but an entire hosted Web app platform, known as Google App Engine.

Google App Engine, which Google announced at its CampFire One developer event on April 7, as explained by TechCrunch, looks like this:

Google’s App Engine is “an ambitious new project that offers a full-stack, hosted, automatically scalable web application platform consisting of Python application servers, BigTable database access … and GFS data store services.”

I’ve heard rumors that Microsoft is readying a competitive hosted application platform. But more on that in a bit….

The database component of Google’s App Engine, known as “BigTable,” is aimed at Amazon’s SimpleDB — and Microsoft’s SQL Server Data Services (SSDS).

Or maybe not…

As Roger Jennings notes over on his Oakleaf Systems blog, Google’s BigTable (and Amazon’s SimpleDB) are really not a whole lot like Microsoft’s SSDS. As Jennings blogged this past weekend:

“My conclusion based on the Bigtable paper and SimpleDB documentation: Bigtable’s architecture and implementation have more in common with Amazon’s Simple DB than either database has with SSDS … Bigtable and SimpleDB aren’t relational database management systems (RDBMSs); both resemble multidimensional indexed maps of attribute/value pairs. SSDS attempts to hide the fact that it’s an RDBMS (relational database management system).”

When I spoke with Microsoft officials about SSDS at Mix ‘08, it was hard to get them to explain exactly what SSDS was. As I noted in early March:

“Microsoft officials were reticent to compare SQL Server Data Services to offerings from any competitors. But Gartner Vice President David Smith said the new Microsoft service was comparable to a service like Amazon’s SimpleDB.”

SimpleDB, which Amazon released into public beta in December 2007, is a complement and adjunct to the company’s Elastic Computing Cloud (EC2) and Simple Data Storage Service (S3). It allows customers to store, modify and query data hosted in the cloud.

SSDS is just one of a number of developer-focused hosted services Microsoft is readying. Microsoft already has announced it is working on BizTalk Services, which are workflow services that extend the company’s BizTalk Server product. Microsoft also has unveiled beta versions of its Synchronization Framework, elements of which which sound an awful lot like the nearly abandoned WinFS (Windows File System).

According to one developer who said he believed Microsoft was close to fielding a hosted app platform: “A hosted workflow engine, with Microsoft’s killer tools behind it, could be their big ‘cloud’ killer service.”

Of course, the big question is when the app-platform team at Microsoft will be able to deliver a test build of a cohesive service like Google’s App Engine. That team seems to have its hands full, at the moment, finishing off SQL Server 2008, as well as building out Microsoft’s “Oslo” SOA infrastructure.

Anyone have more specifics — or even educated guesses — to share on what Microsoft is doing to compete with Google’s App Engine? I’m also curious how much of this kind of solution Yahoo has in place… or up its sleeves….

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When will Microsoft field a competitor?  wackoae | 04/07/08
Joking right?  quikboy | 04/07/08
Like Google has?  GuidingLight | 04/08/08
Well, MS could like to use IP to block competitors, but, this is all about  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Google talks a lot less and over delivers  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Too much lip service...  transposeIT | 04/09/08
Nothing.  fr0thy2 | 04/18/08
Only companies without their own IT...  bjbrock | 04/08/08
You have it wrong. MS will not be able to match Google on price or  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
You would understand once you give up the lie  GuidingLight | 04/08/08
Not sure what planet you live on, but, Google is building out a pace that  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Where is your supporting facts? We hear the lip  GuidingLight | 04/08/08
And, just wher are YOUR facts? Where have you proved that MS can match  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
DonnieBoy, GL can't open his eyes  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
I've been reading this type of comments from ABMers for too long...  transposeIT | 04/09/08
You should see the size of the data center MS  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
And, Google is already building in Iowa too.  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Nope, they put the project on hold.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
And, why did you not give any links? Both for the MS facility in Iowa, OR  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Of course its huge  storm14k | 04/08/08
@storm  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Very good points DonnieBoy  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Spot on. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
Trolls fed  KTLA | 04/08/08
This really is distrubing for the MS faithfull, the can only throw insults.  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Not the faithful, just fed up with your stupid posts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
If only...  KTLA | 04/08/08
Not predicting the demise of MS, just the power of Google in a NEW area.  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
DB...  KTLA | 04/08/08
No, there WERE people, just like you telling us how IBM would always be on  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Your argument -At end of history regarding computing evolution- DEAD WRONG!  raycote | 04/08/08
Agreed - good post  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Wrong subject  vmaatta | 04/08/08
agree with you 100%  jiagebusen | 04/08/08
Yahoo  Obiwan421 | 04/08/08
Joins? Drill down as you need ...  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
agreed  coffeeshark | 04/08/08
MS will have a very hard time competing with Google on this. Google will  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
You have no clue  thastark@... | 04/08/08
Just the facts, no insults needed. Google IS building out as we speak.  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
YOU have no clue  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Time will show the trolls you were right ...  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
RE: Google App Engine: When will Microsoft field a competitor?  thastark@... | 04/08/08
Yes, they will, but it will be a toad.  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
They have to hype it for 3 years first ...  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Will MS compete in this area?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
I think even Balmer would disagree with you here. Balmer is VERY worried,  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
Buwahahahaha, you don't even know  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/08/08
that argument was lost a long time ago  stevey_d | 04/08/08
MS vs. Google as Big Brother ...  lalogos | 04/09/08
The argument is not about who is the worst "big brother", but more about  DonnieBoy | 04/10/08
What about Sharepoint Portal?  peter_erskine@... | 04/08/08
Which won't happen ...  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
Salesforce Watchout!  binarycheese | 04/08/08
Very good point!! Salesforce is another player here. But, they ARE  DonnieBoy | 04/08/08
And Google has another MASSIVE advantage  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
To serve Google  BALTHOR | 04/08/08
What do you think they use?  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
RE: Google App Engine: When will Microsoft field a competitor?  atari8bit@... | 04/08/08
Plus FOSS is on Google's side  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
I just took a look at this, and it's amazing. GoogleAPIs + Python rock!  stevey_d | 04/08/08
It's hard to explain "Vaporware"  TJGodel | 04/08/08
This is Microsoft's own dilemma  fr0thy2 | 04/08/08
RE: Google App Engine: When will Microsoft field a competitor?  atari8bit@... | 04/09/08
RE: Google App Engine: When will Microsoft field a competitor?  ThinkFair | 04/10/08

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