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May 1st, 2008

How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 12:08 pm

Categories: App Compatibility, Apple, Channel, Corporate strategy, Linux, OEMs, Resellers, Service Pack, System builders, Systems integrators, Vista, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Nash & Co., Windows Team, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Mary Jo Foley

Mike Nash, Corporate Vice President of Windows Product Management, has a tough problem on his hands.

Can new data overcome Vista’s lingering image problem?Microsoft and its hardware/software partners have done a lot in the past 16 months to make Windows Vista a better operating system. With Service Pack (SP) 1, Microsoft has addressed some of the performance and reliability problems that has made Vista the butt of so much bad press when it launched.

But convincing the PC-buying public that Vista isn’t their worst nightmare has proven challenging — especially as the result of continued press reports, comments on blogs and in forums (almost always from anonymous users who may or may not have actually tried using Vista in the past month or two) and clever ads, especially by Apple, which disparage Vista and anyone dumb enough to install it. Ask the average consumer on the street about Windows and many will insist XP is less annoying, more stable and works just fine, thanks.

If you were Nash & Co., what would you do to try to turn the public tide?

The Windows team is continuing to take the high road by pushing new data showing how much Vista has improved.

On May 1, Nash took the time to call a bunch of press and bloggers to share updated Microsoft stats on Vista performance, compatibility and reliability.

Microsoft says it has sold 140 million copies of Vista. There are 2,700 logo’d Vista apps (ten times more than existed at launch). Ninety-six percent of new system runing Vista have all their drivers just working out of the box. More than 200 enterprise applications are now guaranteed to be Vista-compatible. Vista SP1 systems start up in 45 (rather than 90) seconds, according to Microsoft, and shut down in 11. And, according to a new Microsoft-commissioned study, 86 percent of consumer customers using Vista would recommend it to their friends.

Nash’s key takeaway: A PC with Vista SP1 is going to run a lot better than a PC with Vista that customers might have bought 16 months ago.

Microsoft believes that propagating this kind of data will help the company make the case that Vista is getting better all the time.

But here’s where that logic breaks down. Many users inherently distrust data about Microsoft products that comes from Microsoft, rather than independent reviewers or third-party researchers not taking Microsoft’s money to do studies. At the same time, only some of the critiques of Vista are based on actual Vista users working with recent builds of the product. Apples-to-apples comparisons between Vista and XP, Vista and Leopard and Vista and Linux are few and far between. Those kinds of comparisons, many of which are taken as fact, are beyond Microsoft’s control.

As Matt Freestone, a blogger with the WindowsConnected site noted in a post defending Vista, entitled “The Vista Schoolyard Bullies”: “I ask you, how many Apple users do you know that own a 3 year old Mac, and install Leopard on it? The silence is deafening.”

“Microsoft is the company the world loves to hate,” agreed Lee Nicholls, Director of Global Solutions with Getronics, a Microsoft integration partner that sells heavily into the financial services and manufacturing industries.

Nicholls admitted that Getronics was none too happy with Microsft’s marketing messages that it delivered in 2006 when Vista was released to businesses.

For businesses, “Microsoft didn’t really communicate the right messaging,” Nicholls said, focusing on Vista’s pretty user interface, built-in search and security as “an added-value feature,” rather than a baked-in necessity. Microsoft’s downplaying of the significance of SP1 as a “psychological barrier” for many businesses didn’t help matters any, he said. BUt now that Microsoft has delivered SP1 and is trying to get the word out on product improvements, Getronics’ Vista business is starting to pick up, Nichols said.

Getronics is emphasizing the cost savings per user businesses can achieve when they migrate to Office, Vista and Exchange. There’s a $316 per seat per user savings in labor alone,” Nicholls said, which is “more than a good enough excuse for many companies to bring their hardware refreshes forwared on their calendars.”

Back to Vista’s image. Instead of the usual “Vista sucks” comments that many of you readers like to leave here, how about — just this once — only those who’ve tried Vista SP1 on old or new hardware weigh in. What is and isn’t working for you now, 16 months after Vista was first released? Is Vista with SP1 something you’d recommend to your colleagues and friends?

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Vista is slow  boed | 05/02/08
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Folks, these postings suck...  cgdams | 05/02/08
Research before you knock it  boed | 05/02/08
Abandon that crap is the most obvious approach  knowbody | 05/01/08
better marketing, show the OS  coffeeshark | 05/01/08
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read up a little  coffeeshark | 05/01/08
No need, I know they had to back-pedal  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
not a word of that makes any sense  rtk | 05/01/08
Can we get a poll to ban fr0thy?  BFD | 05/02/08
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add ego.ll,zk.sum.val.no.iw.more.i.ms  xuniL_z | 05/07/08
Can't show Vista in a 60 second ad  boed | 05/01/08
I saw the OS...  storm14k | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  v1.1 | 05/01/08
Try this  donnellb | 05/01/08
Believing ads.  Anton Philidor | 05/01/08
Best way to encourage belief in MS...  John L. Ries | 05/01/08
Vista need not be improved.  Anton Philidor | 05/02/08
Everybody's fault but Microsoft's  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
If Microsoft were to have its choice of competition...  Anton Philidor | 05/02/08
Which is why...  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
A more serious response  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
Microsoft's margin of error...  Anton Philidor | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  DaveN_MVP | 05/01/08
I have about the same experience  henrystahle@... | 05/02/08
wow.. finally a post that makes me  pcguy777 | 05/02/08
Bigger Limos?  BALTHOR | 05/01/08
Show some value for the change  c48113 | 05/01/08
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RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 05/01/08
Non-Anonymous Vista User Changes To Ubuntu  DrFred | 05/01/08
Well Then, You're Obviously Not Competent Then  itanalyst2@... | 05/01/08
And your point is?  quikboy | 05/01/08
HAHA ^  DrFred | 05/01/08
BoB, ME, Now Vista  itanalyst2@... | 05/01/08
Go ahead.  quikboy | 05/01/08
So you never got sucked in by the Vista WOW campaign?  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
Vista SP1 is STILL CRAP - SLOW - YES I've used it lately  boed | 05/01/08
PS - this isn't anonymous  boed | 05/01/08
"Vista on a fast new computer is like towing a trailer behind a racecar"  stevey_d | 05/02/08
My word......  xuniL_z | 05/07/08
By that logic  willpd13 | 05/29/08
Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me.  Basic Logic | 05/01/08
So?  quikboy | 05/01/08
SP1 introduced new problems in a previously working system  A A A | 05/01/08
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As soon as MS figures out how to improve Windows ME image they can Vista  boed | 05/01/08
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Windows 2008 workstation is good!  boed | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  dwoukoorza | 05/01/08
Can anyone say UAC?  boed | 05/01/08
You must not know very many people  PB_z | 05/01/08
UAC feedback  boed | 05/01/08
Any Different?  clindhartsen | 05/01/08
Reasonable point  boed | 05/01/08
Missing the point  willpd13 | 05/29/08
OSX and Linux rarely ask you  stevey_d | 05/02/08
Vista's issues are NOT just an image problem  boed | 05/01/08
It was never about performance  Chad_z | 05/02/08
Runs better without a virus scanner  jeffbean12@... | 05/01/08
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A Pleasant Experience  clindhartsen | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  The Rifleman | 05/01/08
Boy who cried wolf...  michael.dobeson@... | 05/01/08
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you weren't the only one to report that. We were told RC would be faster  stevey_d | 05/02/08
Who is going to listen to Microsoft now?  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
"???I ask you, how many Apple users do you know that own a 3 year old Mac"  rpmyers1 | 05/01/08
Overall Doing Well  Balatro | 05/01/08
Apparently fanbois can't read either  tonymcs@... | 05/01/08
Trying it is good advice  boed | 05/01/08
Alternatively  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
"I use it on 4 computers"  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
Exactly  clindhartsen | 05/01/08
Heroin users  fr0thy2 | 05/01/08
Herion users? Now that's a new low for you. (nt)  Badgered | 05/28/08
"requirements are heavier"  stevey_d | 05/02/08
I think you are forgetting something.....  willpd13 | 05/29/08
I hear tell  Ole Man | 05/01/08
No thanks...  storm14k | 05/01/08
Hey there fanbois...  zkiwi | 05/02/08
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All of which seems to make you a unique peroson.  deowll | 05/29/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  techfix | 05/01/08
well personally  stevey_d | 05/02/08
Agreed  deowll | 05/29/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  techfix | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  clindhartsen | 05/01/08
Steady as she goes  davebarnes | 05/01/08
Problem for MS: The puplic is no longer as dumb as MS needs them to be...  Basic Logic | 05/01/08
Zero problems with Windows Vista.  cnfrisch | 05/01/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/03/08
Sorry Mary Jo  kozmcrae | 05/01/08
One brick too many.  captainjy | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  nospam@... | 05/01/08
True....  clindhartsen | 05/01/08
so how the hell did that make it to RTM?  stevey_d | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  PedroTabs | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  zontco | 05/01/08
They have one chance left, massive performance gains.  TripleII | 05/01/08
Meant Vista 2X XP performance on same hardware. (NT)  TripleII | 05/01/08
Vista Sucks SP1  jscarey | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Takuya Murata | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rtk | 05/01/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  duemmel@... | 05/01/08
Enough of my bashing - what needs to be fixed in Vista  boed | 05/01/08
this is pure gold Microsoft, you should listen to this  stevey_d | 05/02/08
Nice critique  zkiwi | 05/02/08
That was the cat's meoooooow!  Ole Man | 05/02/08
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RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  tatkosmurff | 05/02/08
That's what I've been saying  jaygee_z | 06/05/08
Fair comparison. Ok...  AdminMonkey | 05/02/08
"no more installing anything without administrator authority"  stevey_d | 05/02/08
Well, yes and no.....  AdminMonkey | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Chiatzu | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  WardJ | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Mike Parker | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  fhergen | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  versile | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Simo99 | 05/02/08
The best way to overcome it's lingering image problem...  IT C0wboy | 05/02/08
Bottom line for businesses  hitman051 | 05/02/08
How MS can fix Vista, and get people to love it  SteveMak | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  nikhilhs | 05/02/08
Vista is not what it was supposed to be  TristanGrimaux | 05/02/08
Upgrade path to Windows Server 2008  michael_poremba@... | 05/02/08
Windows Server 2008's the same thing, basically  cgdams | 05/02/08
2008 is faster than Vista  boed | 05/02/08
vista and 2008 are the same indeed - cto  llval@... | 05/03/08
And it is not an image problem  TristanGrimaux | 05/02/08
Oh - fanboy comment ahead, maybe...  Mitch 74 | 05/02/08
The real question is, can Microsoft not be evil? I think NOT.  xunil skcor | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rdawson@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  mmp138 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  tim.pile@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Dennis.Keeling@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  tonynbl5136 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  pcmdoc@... | 05/02/08
Reduce the memory footprint  HypnoToad | 05/02/08
Vista the XP killer  lesterf1020 | 05/02/08
And that is the rub.  deowll | 05/29/08
Simply not compelling enough to justify the switch  roger@... | 05/02/08
HP D4790Y purchased 2-2007 Vista Business  ron@... | 05/02/08
What can MS do to fix the Vista problem?  friedtoast@... | 05/02/08
Vista is much better than XP  g_dfrancis@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  douglas_stein@... | 05/02/08
RE: The problem is not the image, it's Vista  davidthomas@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  cne@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  gwaltman@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  johngalt_0705 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  dbhudson_37709@... | 05/02/08
My Vista ups and downs  goyta | 05/02/08
Finally some facts...  cgdams | 05/02/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/03/08
Down to the real world, please?  goyta | 05/04/08
Re: Finally some facts...  goyta | 05/04/08
316$ ??? Show me how you can backup that claim and we might have a deal...  luch3 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  alanrbriggs | 05/02/08
Surprise! Windows discussion forum yields few Mac users  mymanchris@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  henrystahle@... | 05/02/08
Leopard on FIVE year old Macs! Let along three! What a dope.  ewelch | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Ron1000 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  IT@... | 05/02/08
Running a dual boot  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/02/08
Come Clean on Sales Numbers  g_spot | 05/02/08
How would that change anything? (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/02/08
Correct  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
The question is not directed at quality but image  g_spot | 05/02/08
MS starts by...  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
Why so?  cgdams | 05/02/08
I agree  boed | 05/02/08
Almost right  John L. Ries | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Limulus | 05/02/08
perhaps by supplying more lingery backgrounds for aero ? grin  llval@... | 05/02/08
One way to REALLY improve it and its image.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/02/08
Meant to add  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/02/08
Totally agreed.  nizuse | 05/02/08
The questions that made MS the leader need to be asked again.  heres_johnny | 05/02/08
First impressions are lasting ones...  TtfnJohn | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  BigKahune33 | 05/02/08
No_Ax, I agree with you...  TCP?IP'ed | 05/02/08
It's the performance, not just the bugs  rcar | 05/02/08
Vista and Microsoft, yes they do suck.  dapted | 05/02/08
Vista SP 1--It is fine . . . but . . .  hansonjb | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  vgsmike@... | 05/02/08
Only those who have used it for 16 months...  Jeremy W | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  mmiller777 | 05/02/08
My son's brand new Vista machine was unstable...  Taz_z | 05/02/08
ZDNet Headline: 48% see themselves running XP in 2014  Jeremy W | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rupaa62 | 05/02/08
Yes...  lawryll@... | 05/02/08
Can you saaaaay?  Ole Man | 05/02/08
RE: Vista SP1 - subjective "test"  ramey@... | 05/02/08
Fix Vista's problems or continue to support XP  w_c_mead | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rdackerman@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  M.R. Kennedy | 05/02/08
How to Overcome Vista's Image Problem?  rgowran@... | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  mbus3r | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Max_in_OH | 05/02/08
Vista SP1 is ... ... satisfactory.  OButterball | 05/02/08
Too bad it's not just an image problem  thetwonkey | 05/02/08
They Cant from a MS User of 25 years....  carlsf@... | 05/02/08
it STILL sucks  phamiltonsmith | 05/02/08
lol  supra5mge | 05/02/08
RE: full disclosure  azonenberg | 05/02/08
Have it, Love it.  supra5mge | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  DeeDux | 05/02/08
Vista is fine  beoz | 05/02/08
The ROOT CAUSE of 90% troubles is  ZwFlushKey | 05/02/08
I don't know that I agree  beoz | 05/02/08
Let me explain - Here is one scenario happy  ZwFlushKey | 05/02/08
The mindless drones march on  Ole Man | 05/02/08
Food for thought  beoz | 05/04/08
I understand what you were saying  Ole Man | 05/04/08
GPL license  beoz | 05/04/08
Exactly! That's the point.........  Ole Man | 05/04/08
Had 7 XP's networked and 1 Vista languishing  ed.fenech@... | 05/02/08
Scrap the vista-support the xp-sp3  dogrun7@... | 05/02/08
The Four Year Old Apple Thing  DannyO_0x98 | 05/02/08
I love vista, I was a beta tester  priestess355 | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  AMS-Ray | 05/02/08
definitly an image problem in our office -  windmills | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  sykandtyed | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  sepeck@... | 05/02/08
In reality. Vista is a nightmare to IT Dept.  laman | 05/02/08
Vastly different experiences in our IT department  rtk | 05/03/08
They were probably trying to run Vista  Ole Man | 05/03/08
Answered in other thread.  rtk | 05/03/08
Another non-answer  Ole Man | 05/03/08
Joey  rtk | 05/03/08
I have Leopard & 3 years old Mac  laman | 05/02/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rv_g | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rv_g | 05/03/08
The problem is less vista, and more time  mrelpresidente | 05/03/08
...on 3 years old macs..  Denmaru | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  kolokostas36 | 05/03/08
Actual usage feedback for SP1  johnfenjackson@... | 05/03/08
RE: Well, yes and no....  AdminMonkey | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  atari8bit@... | 05/03/08
RE: Vista 64 bit-love it!  johnwillyums | 05/03/08
MICROSOFT SUCKS  heraclitus | 05/03/08
What I see....  bobpendleton | 05/03/08
shows ads touting the new features in vista  davedenver08 | 05/03/08
Problem Exists beteen Chair and Keyboard (Code ID10T)  mrelpresidente | 05/03/08
Fix it or...  mikifinaz1@... | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  daves1646 | 05/03/08
Vista now usable, still just a polished XP  g2g591 | 05/03/08
"It isn't worth spending any money on"  Ole Man | 05/03/08
Vista = NT6 = Server 2008 = a stable OS  ZwFlushKey | 05/03/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  jimconnolly | 05/04/08
Can you say BSOD????  mypcbroke | 05/04/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  kordoniss@... | 05/05/08
interesting.  rtk | 05/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  mcicogni | 05/05/08
Vista isn't a problem, its the best Windows yet  GeiselS@... | 05/05/08
Vista works great. The problem is Microsoft.  BillDem | 05/05/08
Many that bought Ultimate  rtk | 05/05/08
Many that bought Ultimate  Ole Man | 05/05/08
lol  rtk | 05/05/08
As you progress (if you do)  Ole Man | 05/05/08
hahah  rtk | 05/06/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Bonesnap | 05/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Ashtonian | 05/05/08
Here's how  Chiatzu | 05/08/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  joelwhitehouse@... | 05/05/08
differing experience  rtk | 05/05/08
Well, it's probably a given  Ole Man | 05/06/08
Of course not.  rtk | 05/06/08
Why do you think you know?  Ole Man | 05/07/08
wow? huh?  rtk | 05/07/08
Redeployment of Capital: 6 Suggestions  wizdumb | 05/05/08
RE: Vista improved our audiovisual production environment  mavalos@... | 05/05/08
Vista has been great  ItsTheBottomLine | 05/06/08
Improvements microsoft should make to Vista  chips@... | 05/06/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rriffenburg@... | 05/06/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  rriffenburg@... | 05/06/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  beasleymhb | 05/06/08
Matt Who?  Chiatzu | 05/08/08
How about  zclayton2 | 05/08/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  cfischer83@... | 05/19/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  chromeronin | 05/28/08
MS charges the same for ...  bjbrock | 05/28/08
Vista doesn't have an 'image' problem; VISTA is the problem  brendan@... | 05/28/08
SP1 Didn't Fix the PROBLEM  friedtoast@... | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  jverduijn | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  ramnet@... | 05/28/08
I openly recommend it, but...  pjjtlc | 05/28/08
Throw Vista away, go back to XP, and try again.  davidthomas@... | 05/28/08
Vista SP1 won't boot  jkaplenk@... | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  amckenz@... | 05/28/08
Vista on the Enterprise desktop  pjjtlc | 05/28/08
nothing actually wrong w/ vista...  inertman@... | 05/28/08
I HATE VISTA!!!!!!  dedles76040 | 05/28/08
Could be a hardware problem.  thebithead | 05/28/08
Another Dell VICTIM!  mikeholli | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  janecrimson | 05/28/08
Irrelevant  rcfoulk@... | 05/28/08
From someone who tried...  Mitch 74 | 05/28/08
Excuse me?  mikeholli | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  michael@... | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  thebithead | 05/28/08
Anonymous users, Mary Jo?  mikeholli | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  bentedgz | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Neil Lynn | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  hughva@... | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  david2702 | 05/28/08
a creative ad campaign to rebutt Apple?  Boxarox | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  jgolab@... | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  kevsan | 05/28/08
Leopard on a three year..  arminw | 05/28/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Allangardner | 05/28/08
Oh...I don't know..mmm...maybe FIX IT!  mikifinaz1@... | 05/28/08
Problems with Vista  thomas_clarke1@... | 05/29/08
I would recommend XP actually...  NKX | 05/29/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  luxsphinx@... | 05/29/08
Vista the good the bad and the ....  notsofast | 05/29/08
Microsoft could try debugging before they sell a product!  as901 | 05/30/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  ChodaBoy | 05/30/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  ChodaBoy | 05/30/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  Gruffydd | 06/04/08
Glad you love it, Gruffy  Ole Man | 06/04/08
Try it and see Ole Man  robrat69@... | 06/04/08
Once bitten, twice shy  Ole Man | 06/07/08
It's Funny How Those Who Love Vista  Cardhu | 06/08/08
It's funny how those who hate vista  rtk | 06/08/08
don't run an operating system?  Ole Man | 06/08/08
for the chronically thick.  rtk | 06/08/08
For The Chronically Insulting  Cardhu | 06/09/08
sigh  rtk | 06/09/08
Not The Point  Cardhu | 06/09/08
As Always, A Red Herring from RTK  Cardhu | 06/08/08
as always, pointless bashing from CARDHU  rtk | 06/08/08
Your Point Is Irrelevant  Cardhu | 06/09/08
it's your strawman, cardhu  rtk | 06/09/08
You didn't even heed my quote  Cardhu | 06/09/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  chrome_slinky@... | 06/05/08
Working no problem on a 3 year old Dimension 9100  Martin_Australia | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  aydelotteb@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  JLKar101 | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  jdarling@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  milt3124@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  milt3124@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  terrydactyl@... | 06/05/08
That's Fine for Standard Business Applications  Cardhu | 06/14/08
Recommend Vista? Depends.  roystonlodge | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  JasonVene | 06/05/08
What An Excellent Testimonial!  Cardhu | 06/09/08
What I think they can do...  Breetai | 06/05/08
Re: What I think they can do.  rtk | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  atari8bit@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  hughva@... | 06/05/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  zclayton2 | 06/06/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  ps1946 | 06/06/08
Media Center Issue  ghayden | 06/06/08
How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  as901 | 06/07/08
Vista SP1 on Dell Inspiron 1721  morme | 07/09/08
I tried! And I still don't recommend it.  Mitch 74 | 07/10/08
I still say NO.  venividivici2003@... | 07/10/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  m.dalakis@... | 07/10/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  sbf95070 | 07/14/08
Microsoft Needs to Show Genuine Contrition  Cardhu | 07/27/08
I've got all 3... Leopard, Vista (SP1), and XP  EZoolander | 07/30/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  software@... | 07/31/08
RE: How can Microsoft overcome Vista's lingering image problem?  mrgaijinsan | 10/26/08

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