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July 24th, 2008

Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 1:18 pm

Categories: Financial Analyst Meeting, Vista, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Forrester Research Inc., Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Mary Jo Foley

The same day that Forrester Research is touting yet another of a growing number of studies claiming Vista is failing to gain traction in the enterprise, Microsoft is claiming just the opposite.

In a presentation at Microsoft’s annual Financial Analyst Meeting in Redmond on July 24, company officials outlined their bullish projections and claims for Windows Vista. But it wasn’t the facts and figures that garnered the most attention from attendees here; instead, it was a video of a focus group of Vista skeptics who changed their originally negative opinions of Microsoft’s latest Windows release once they had a chance to see it demonstrated.

Microsoft told the focus group participants that they were seeing a demo of “Mojave,” (why not “Midori”?) an as-yet-unannounced Windows release (which was actually Windows Vista). The participants, a number of whom admitted they had no direct hands-on experience with Vista, said they were jazzed about Mojave and would definitely use it once it was released.

The Mojave demo was used to back Microsoft’s contention that once they had a chance to try Vista for themselves, customers liked the product.

Forrester Research issued new study results today claiming that 18 months after release, “Vista is still struggling to gain a foothold in large companies.” Forrester called Vista the “new Coke.”

Forrester said that Vista use remains in the single digits (”just under nine percent according to Forrester’s month-by-month desk-top analysis of 50,000 of our enterprise clients across 2,300 companies. That’s up from six percent in January of this year, but far short of the 87 percent penetration for Windows XP.”)

Meanwhile, Bill Veghte, Senior Vice President for Online Services and Windows Business Group, told FAM attendees today that Vista’s uptake among business users is solid. He said Vista enterprise sales were up 20 percent and renewal rates for Software Assurance among business users were greater than 80 percent. (Not surprisingly, there were no stats in Veghte’s presentation about what percentage of business users are downgrading to XP, one of their “benefits” under the Software Assurance program.)

The answer to whether Vista is growing among enterprise users is “an emphatic yes,” Veghte said.

Veghte said that the higher end of the mid-market also is beginning to upgrade more rapidly to Vista.

Microsoft identifies the business version of Vista as Vista Enterprise, coupled with the optimized desktop (Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack, or MDOP). Veghte told FAM attendees that Microsoft is readying a set of new MDOP updates for later this year.

Veghte also emphasized that three quarters of Microsoft’s customers are opting for “premium” versions of Vista, rather than bare-bones, lower-priced ones (like Vista Home Basic.) He told attendees of FAM that Microsoft will be “aggressive” in getting PC makers to attached Genuine Windows (rather than pirated versions of the product) right out of the gate.

“Perception vs. reality — that’s a conversation we need to have with our customers this year,” Veghte said.

Do you agree with Microsoft Vista’s biggest challenge is perception, not performance, at this point? Or do you think Forrester is closer to reality with “Vista is the ‘new Coke’ analogy?

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"Instead, the enterprise always looks at the cost/benefit..."  bmerc | 07/25/08
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Astroturf above  MarcB_z | 07/27/08
Vista - better computing through denial  john_gillespie@... | 07/27/08
I have my own questions, Strebby...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
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If only you could demonstrate the following true:  ye | 07/26/08
Proof, oh YE doubting thomas?  vulpine@... | 07/26/08
I'm pretty sure  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
Well, I'll give you credit for thinking  vulpine@... | 07/29/08
some people choose win32 only enterprise apps then say "what do we move to"  stevey_d | 07/25/08
Web based apps...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/25/08
browser apps aren't a solution for business  Drakaran | 07/27/08
amazon, banks, ebay etc cant possibly be trading $bns online then.. oh wait  stevey_d | 07/27/08
Actually they are  914four | 07/28/08
the same thing you do if your windows server goes down  stevey_d | 07/27/08
We're still on XP mainly, even the the 'creative guys'  frankwick | 07/28/08
Well, DUH!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/24/08
well said  mrdt | 07/24/08
Actually, in the enterprise, MS is not ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
Actually, in the enterprise, MS is...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
It is certainly true that you can employee ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
Maybe it is...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
Not enough money to be made from the desktop?  zkiwi | 07/27/08
It's true  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
Windows Server 2003  stevey_d | 07/25/08
Mac OSX server... Anyone got experience of this?  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
OpenBSD  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
Better check...  vulpine@... | 07/29/08
Don't buy that...  Sleeper Service | 07/25/08
...not some 10 year old survey.  vulpine@... | 07/26/08
"They are looking for something easier and cheaper"  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
I don't care where you work, I want the costs.  Sleeper Service | 07/28/08
My company is investing in MacBooks  914four | 07/28/08
Very True, but when and will it be Vista?  dunn@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  epobirs | 07/24/08
Which raises the question  lschw1 | 07/25/08
good post. Also what is the compelling reason to update?  stevey_d | 07/25/08
Agree...Not Compelling at all  dunn@... | 07/25/08
Explain why...  Sleeper Service | 07/25/08
As friendly as XP?  Mike (not Cox) | 07/25/08
i've never seen an XP without classic control panel  stevey_d | 07/27/08
Uh...  Sleeper Service | 07/31/08
Irrelevant  Cardhu | 08/03/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  Loverock Davidson | 07/24/08
Message has been deleted.  Linux User 147560 | 07/24/08
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Welcome to freedom and uncensored press  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
A private message board  Crestview | 07/25/08
Well Said  Breetai | 07/25/08
Apparently so  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
Truth will not be tolerated  Ole Man | 07/25/08
How about  Crestview | 07/25/08
You Really Do Occupy The Microsoft "Twilight Zone"...  BanjoPaterson | 07/24/08
RE: You Do Really Occupy the Microsoft "Twilight Zone"  bfilipiak@... | 07/25/08
"made sure that they were running it on the best hardware" -was video clip  stevey_d | 07/25/08
But of course...  Jeremy W | 07/24/08
If Wall St. "gets drunk" then Microsoft are continuously paraletic  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
RE: But of course....  bfilipiak@... | 07/25/08
Of course you do. If Microsoft said "Loverock, jump off a cliff"  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
Well, doctrine...  TedKraan | 07/25/08
RE: ....If M$ said: "Loverock, jump off a cliff"  bfilipiak@... | 07/25/08
Re: looking like fools for never trying it  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
I would tend to believe Forrest.  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
That Tired Microsoft Spin  Cardhu | 07/27/08
You forgot exploding Pintos!  914four | 07/28/08
Exactly!  Cardhu | 08/09/08
My first motorized buggy was a '49 Ford  Ole Man | 08/09/08
Microsoft has released no data on such statistics  Ole Man | 07/28/08
Look What I Found  Cardhu | 08/10/08
Thanks! Good link.........  Ole Man | 08/10/08
Microsoft's new marketing campaign  MGP2 | 07/24/08
That was either over done or half baked  Cayble | 07/24/08
But really...  Jeremy W | 07/24/08
Correct! The moon is indeed made of cheese.  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
I think the other guy was closer to Microsoft's real treatment of Customers  Breetai | 07/25/08
Not ready for prime time.  sbf95070 | 07/25/08
Too much effort required. Time to find an alternative.  joe.smetona@... | 07/28/08
Still no major organizations moving to Vista  jeffs0413@... | 07/24/08
Ours is...  Mike (not Cox) | 07/24/08
But while yours is...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
Don't know, I don't work there  Mike (not Cox) | 07/25/08
because...  LegendsOfBatman | 07/28/08
Ditto  gsteck | 07/28/08
Uh...  Sleeper Service | 07/31/08
FYI:  dvm | 07/24/08
We're waiting to see  Marcos El Malo | 07/24/08
Thanks  rcfoulk@... | 07/25/08
Still no major organizations moving to Vista  hairyR | 07/25/08
And how long  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
Nonesense ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
That's what I;ve been sayin'  Breetai | 07/25/08
More expensive?  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
And look at the Graphics Score you have....  dunn@... | 07/25/08
"but they are not stupid"  Jeremy W | 07/26/08
Vista is kicking it old school...  Mike Cox | 07/24/08
I wonder if it will work  John L. Ries | 07/24/08
A Mike Cox typo  MGP2 | 07/24/08
7.5  TedKraan | 07/25/08
Amazing what has to be done...  John L. Ries | 07/24/08
Who cares?  ye | 07/24/08
I agree. Business customers arent upgrading cause XP works well  otaddy | 07/24/08
For Business, its the apps that count, not the OS  shroutosaur@... | 07/25/08
Nail on the head  gnesterenko | 08/08/08
Lot's of businesses are still using Windows 2000  mcsystemsgb | 07/25/08
Slumping Economy  LiquidLearner | 07/27/08
Bingo  Cayble | 07/24/08
Missing out on one person wouldn't make it a failure  Michael Kelly | 07/25/08
The point is:  ye | 07/25/08
Exactly. (nt)  TedKraan | 07/25/08
That's fine, but  Michael Kelly | 07/25/08
If Vista is a failure what does that say about OS X?  ye | 07/26/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  lawryll@... | 07/24/08
You believe Forrester? Based on...WHAT?  Cayble | 07/24/08
"Your post is not based on relevant facts."  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
Based on...WHAT?  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
made up a least one "fact" there, vulpine.  rtk | 07/25/08
Just read the articles, my friend....  vulpine@... | 07/26/08
Well, when you read 10 anti-ms blogs  rtk | 07/27/08
Based on...  Jeremy W | 07/26/08
I believe MY reality  graywz | 07/24/08
My company has completely rejected the iPhone.  ye | 07/24/08
Everything's an argument, eh Ye?  MGP2 | 07/24/08
Did you read the same post I did?  ye | 07/24/08
Ah, the smell of invalid extrapolation...  zkiwi | 07/24/08
Then what was the point of his post?  ye | 07/24/08
What was the point in your post Ye?  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
@fr0thy2: The point of my post was...  ye | 07/25/08
Ye, you are lying again  bmerc | 07/25/08
@bmerc: Look up the word "imply". (nt)  ye | 07/26/08
To catch you hook, line and sinker  zkiwi | 07/27/08
No, *you* look up the word "infer".  Zogg | 07/27/08
You're like a fish Ye  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
Then maybe you really do...  jasonp@... | 07/25/08
See this response of mine:  ye | 07/26/08
Perhaps I need new glasses...  914four | 07/28/08
HE SAID  Cayble | 07/24/08
They may be planning to skip Vista for Windows 7  ye | 07/25/08
Wiping VISTA and installing XP  johndecoville | 07/25/08
I suspect Windows 7 will require your company...  ye | 07/26/08
Yes, so spend MORE money  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
Oh god you guys are funny!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
Nope, he didn't say anything remotely like that  bmerc | 07/25/08
My guess his point was about benefits...  Solid Water | 07/24/08
People don't use descriptions such as:  ye | 07/24/08
Well.........  James Quinn | 07/24/08
Jim, its not the politness...  Cayble | 07/24/08
"catastrophic IT log jam in a few short years"  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
Well to be honest.....  James Quinn | 07/25/08
Wonderful  rhomp2002@... | 07/25/08
He posted in the manner he did in an attempt...  ye | 07/25/08
Strangely, I'm reminded how...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
@vulpine: They are?  ye | 07/26/08
My dear YE...  vulpine@... | 07/26/08
He did?  914four | 07/28/08
Unless the CIO really did say "No Vista under any circumstances."?  Zogg | 07/27/08
As long as...  Mike (not Cox) | 07/24/08
Ok. No problem. See ya in three years. Have fun (NT)  Cayble | 07/24/08
As an IT Consultant  TedKraan | 07/25/08
Sometimes upper management ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
I wish folk would give it a rest  storm14k | 07/24/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  Alber1690 | 07/24/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  wdlists@... | 07/24/08
Please explain?  MyBlueRex | 07/24/08
Bill Gates is a Liar  David Blomstrom | 07/24/08
Big business is...  Sleeper Service | 07/25/08
So...  David Blomstrom | 07/26/08
Google's founder are liars.  Sleeper Service | 07/28/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  chris_x | 07/24/08
Fundamental assumption....  Jeremy W | 07/24/08
"He will be gone soon."  fr0thy2 | 07/25/08
Hopefully not too soon  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
Vista fail in my company.  kraterz | 07/24/08
You said ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  pkatz | 07/24/08
Software assurance plan??? You are joking right??  wackoae | 07/25/08
Where Was The Microsoft Software Assurance Plan  Cardhu | 07/31/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  bohannjn | 07/24/08
Glad to see I'm not the only one .....  wackoae | 07/25/08
Slow opening Connect To:  dvm | 07/25/08
Why are customers being the testbed YET again?  TedKraan | 07/25/08
show us your perfect OS  rtk | 07/25/08
patches  TedKraan | 07/28/08
huh?  rtk | 07/28/08
Illogic  Cardhu | 08/09/08
One month of Vista  wackoae | 07/24/08
Vista is New Coke  chessmen | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  John McGhie | 07/25/08
I agree completely  akaltman@... | 07/25/08
100% correct.  magallanes | 07/25/08
Glad to see I'm not the only one .....  wackoae | 07/25/08
The MS way...  DB_z | 07/25/08
you're not the only one...  rtk | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  m.dalakis@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  TedKraan | 07/25/08
Does it matter ?  trenchsol | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  trenchsol | 07/25/08
I believe both of them  akaltman@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  jim@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
more responsive?  merc2dogs` | 07/25/08
Was vista pre-installed on that system?  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
XP  914four | 07/28/08
"I believe my own 'reality'. "  bmerc | 07/25/08
Then, ...what to do?  emmerc@... | 07/25/08
If you are concerned about that ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Good enough, but not great  anthony_hunt | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  dlstephenson_z | 07/25/08
I'll say it again....  DB_z | 07/25/08
If it isn't worth it to you, don't do it.  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
That's part of the problem...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
Why do Microsoft have to get people to upgrade to Vista?  stevey_d | 07/25/08
A very, VERY good question!  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  dridoc@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  supportdoc@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista - The Mac benefactor  jimr@... | 07/25/08
Reply to : catastrophic IT log jam in a few short years  High Plains | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  nolten@... | 07/25/08
Absolutely!  jimr@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  paul.edwards@... | 07/25/08
Humm, research vs marketing ...  rcfoulk@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  varick | 07/25/08
I like Vista  Markitect | 07/25/08
What a novel idea!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/25/08
RE: And Enterprise vendors know...  colinnwn | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  mikeholli | 07/25/08
Windows XP Server ?  GiMMeABreak | 07/26/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  ansak | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  Jackbass@... | 07/25/08
Operator's Error?  mikeholli | 07/25/08
This talk back is almost funny..  TtfnJohn | 07/25/08
An interesting assessment ...  mwagner@... | 07/25/08
Even more interesting is...  vulpine@... | 07/25/08
Sorry Marc, but...  TtfnJohn | 07/26/08
Mary... Enough with the drama, OK?  Narg | 07/25/08
One company's plans  ernestm@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  davidthomas@... | 07/25/08
HP Printer driver for Vista  914four | 07/28/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  atari8bit@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  snowb@... | 07/25/08
didn't get the fall press release?  rtk | 07/25/08
Easy to see...  mikifinaz1@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  jscott418 | 07/25/08
Having worked with XP and Vista...  gypkap@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  futurist | 07/25/08
An expensive mistake  futurist | 07/25/08
Re: Expensive Mistake  Northlite | 07/25/08
An Expensive Mistake  futurist | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  VistaSux | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  deowll | 07/25/08
Yup.  Sleeper Service | 07/25/08
I believe Forrester....  devlin_X | 07/25/08
One Expert's Experience  erlewis@... | 07/25/08
I would have agreed with you a year ago...  914four | 07/28/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  erniem1970@... | 07/25/08
let's dumb down, shall we  jiagebusen | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  bytlan@... | 07/25/08
Been there done that; unfortunately the T-Shirt no longer fits.  914four | 07/28/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  j.e.taylor@... | 07/25/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  fjm | 07/25/08
Forester's Report is a Joke and here's why  notsofast | 07/26/08
huh? personal attacks?  ttocsmij | 07/26/08
How quickly people forget...  vulpine@... | 07/26/08
That's utter nonsense.  Sleeper Service | 07/28/08
Imagine the Day After Mojave  johnfmarti@... | 07/26/08
The scary part ...  ttocsmij | 07/26/08
Please keep writing the comedy...  Sleeper Service | 07/28/08
Vista is LESS Secure than XP--Here's an Eg  Utah Stan | 07/26/08
READ the thread you link to.  rtk | 07/27/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  ttocsmij | 07/26/08
nice troll  rtk | 07/27/08
is it just me ...  ttocsmij | 07/26/08
It's just you.  rtk | 07/27/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  shanedr | 07/27/08
Microsoft's Biggest Problem Is Credibility, Not Perception or Performance  Cardhu | 07/27/08
The Vista utility that fixes everything  whisperycat | 07/27/08
Henceforth, ye shall be known to me as DOCTOR Cardhu  Ole Man | 07/28/08
Hardware - sofware cartel.  kraterz | 07/27/08
I can tell you our reality  Chad_z | 07/28/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  dick_cohen@... | 07/28/08
VistaP  tomam | 07/28/08
The New Coke:  XweAponX | 07/29/08
Interesting Analogy  Cardhu | 07/30/08
watch the mojave videos  rtk | 07/30/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 07/30/08
Message has been deleted.  rtk | 07/30/08
Message has been deleted.  Ole Man | 07/30/08
People Also Heard That  Cardhu | 07/31/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  alsoran | 07/30/08
RE: Vista: Whose 'reality' do you believe?  rparker009 | 07/31/08
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