This line says it all ...
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
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.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/24/08
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And if it was a Canonical sponsered study
GuidingLight | 09/24/08
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Please show us a Canonical sponsored study ...
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
|
   
So, what you are saying is that
GuidingLight | 09/24/08
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Yawn ...
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
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You'll never get through to them.
ye | 09/24/08
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Logic fallacy?
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
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@MisterMiester: There' no logical fallacy.
ye | 09/24/08
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@ye - Sorry there are logic fallacies here ...
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
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@MisterMiester: Then by all means point them out.
ye | 09/24/08
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@ye - Huge gap in your reasoning ...
MisterMiester | 09/24/08
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Common sense is all you'll need.
storm14k | 09/24/08
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@ye
AzuMao | 09/24/08
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@storm14k: Common sense is not fact.
ye | 09/25/08
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@AzuMao: Yes, the burden of proof lies on those who claim this study...
ye | 09/25/08
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Oh for crying out loud...
awasson@... | 09/25/08
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False assumptions
grail@... | 09/25/08
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@awasson and @grail
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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Studies depend on assumptions
IT_User | 09/25/08
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IT_User pegged it!
BobK Linux Noob | 09/25/08
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Spot on
grail@... | 09/25/08
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.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/24/08
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Commutative reversal
daboochmeister | 09/24/08
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Reversed?
daengbo | 09/24/08
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Wouldn't a reverse
LiquidLearner | 09/24/08
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I'll bet you were
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/25/08
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my bad, i meant kace.
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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Then why...
914four | 09/25/08
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Oh, i don't know, why didn't they run the test with Ubuntu and
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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That is where you are yet once again WRONG!
Linux User 147560 | 09/25/08
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@xunil_z - Linux has much lower requirements
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
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No way, Mad Max. Never! you just admitted...
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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@xunil_z - ???
MisterMiester | 09/26/08
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@MisterMeister ??
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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Still do....
awasson@... | 09/25/08
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MS say they cost the same if you use cheap people
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
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Study sponsor
lordshipmayhem | 09/25/08
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WOW Microsoft really will lie about anything
Breetai | 09/25/08
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believing
TedKraan | 09/26/08
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Vital Wave Consulting
Thempleton | 09/25/08
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Bingo! - All that and a bag of chips.
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
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Utzschneider Comments are FALSE
Uralbas | 09/24/08
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Put the info up
daengbo | 09/25/08
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Windows and Linux offering same TCO ?
timiteh | 09/24/08
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There you have it folks
Ole Man | 09/24/08
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Ole Man, you better go read your EULA.
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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What makes you think I use Firefox?
Ole Man | 09/25/08
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You won't take it from Microsoft, Firefox or whoever.....nice quote...
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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You sound like His Lordship Bush
Ole Man | 09/27/08
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oh my. you really don't see it, do you?
xuniL_z | 09/29/08
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Of all the threads on this board, you come back to resume THIS one???
Zogg | 09/30/08
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You replied to it, didn't you? Plus Ole Man
xuniL_z | 09/30/08
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With friends like you, who needs enemies, Zuny?
Ole Man | 10/01/08
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Now now, Ole Man.
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
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Lots of assumptions in your post.
mwagner@... | 09/24/08
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Message has been deleted.
n0neXn0ne | 09/24/08
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Did you read his post?
TripleII | 09/24/08
|
  
The last bit you said
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
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and ...
deaf_e_kate | 09/25/08
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your my hero
mblack45@... | 09/25/08
|
  
Usual contradictions.
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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"users will be able to replace their own motherboards"
Ole Man | 09/25/08
|
    
I would lay it all out for you Ole Man
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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Sounds like you have already laid it all out
Ole Man | 09/27/08
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pile of blather.
xuniL_z | 09/30/08
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Some points, but not enough.
TripleII | 09/25/08
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Ok, there you have it. TripleII apparently supports.......
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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No, it thoroughly disgusts me.
TripleII | 09/26/08
|
     
Well, i think you misunderstood.
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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Ah yes, we have "recycling programs"...
Zogg | 09/27/08
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To me it's just about enabling people.
TripleII | 09/27/08
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"we have PC recycle programs and pickup or drop off of old computers."
Ole Man | 09/27/08
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Westerners!
daengbo | 09/25/08
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hmm. One tech per developing country eh. s/he must be good!
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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@xuniL_z
Axsimulate | 09/26/08
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Who said anything about Vista?
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
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Wrong on Every Point
trentreviso | 09/24/08
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Minor Niggle
ksarkies@... | 09/25/08
|
   
Agreed. Complacency is Dangerous
trentreviso | 09/25/08
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We are talking about XP, not Vista.
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
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This is not a "study". It's a fantasy.
trentreviso | 09/25/08
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Sorry Mike
TedKraan | 09/25/08
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Univeral truth: Linux is like an Ugly Baby.
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
|
   
Misplaced post?
TedKraan | 09/26/08
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Oh, sorry, i guess it was.
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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loved every
TedKraan | 09/30/08
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You also assume a lot
Greenknight_z | 09/25/08
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Woops!
cheesyone | 09/25/08
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Did you NOT know?
Ole Man | 09/25/08
|
 
Some downright disinformation....
Loggies | 09/26/08
|

Totally WAY off.
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
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.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/25/08
|
  
5 year old hardware? Is that all?
xuniL_z | 09/25/08
|
   
Thanks for that long diatribe of nothing of value...
Linux User 147560 | 09/25/08
|
   
"I don't really care which OS is overall better"
Ole Man | 09/25/08
|
   
Here's a good quote for you!
TedKraan | 09/26/08
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You want reality Teddy?
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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You might want to step out...
Linux User 147560 | 09/26/08
|
     
Even Yamaha gets it ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/08
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Well guys.
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
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Mkayyyy...
TedKraan | 09/27/08
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stereotype much, Ted?
xuniL_z | 10/01/08
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"Linux is harder to load, manage and operate"
Ole Man | 09/25/08
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"Linux is harder to load, manage and operate"
Ole Man | 09/25/08
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re: Linux is harder to load, manage and operate
Loggies | 09/26/08
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Good points but..
TedKraan | 09/26/08
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Learning Curve???
night-hunter | 09/27/08
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A very honest post. Thanks Ted. Well said.
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
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You sound like you have a degree, alright
Ole Man | 09/27/08
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Why just spill venomous curt biased opinions every friggin time?
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
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Cast not they pearls before the swine
Ole Man | 10/02/08
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You know well enough.....
xuniL_z | 10/03/08
|
 
Your economics makes no sense.
TripleII | 09/25/08
|
  
Wow, i can't believe you've never had a showdown with a......
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
|
   
Why no 128MB?
TedKraan | 10/03/08
|
    
Ted, I think our memories always tend to add...
xuniL_z | 10/03/08
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Lots of truth in that ofcourse...
TedKraan | 10/05/08
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So, are you an advocate......
xuniL_z | 10/06/08
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MS BS
LittleGuy | 09/24/08
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What total, complete, infuriating nonsense:
OButterball | 09/24/08
|

Exactly right
Chad_z | 09/24/08
|

And what you can do with a 16-yr-old ...
mwagner@... | 09/24/08
|
 
RE: And ...
n0neXn0ne | 09/24/08
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You keep using 1st world analogies.
TripleII | 09/24/08
|
  
Perhaps not.
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
|
   
That's a valid argument
TedKraan | 09/26/08
|
   
Depends on Location; Cost of Labor ...
MisterMiester | 09/27/08
|
 
You completely missed my point:
OButterball | 09/25/08
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If you know how to do it, it is not hard.
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
|
   
Yeah, but NOT for Windows 2008 Server.
OButterball | 09/25/08
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And then they ...
Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/08
|

Not by any stretch
Uralbas | 09/24/08
|

And herein lies it's problem
Richard Flude | 09/24/08
|
The real problem with Microsoft studies...
hamobu | 09/24/08
|

So, if not Microsoft, who would release a study favorable to Microsoft?
mikefarinha | 09/24/08
|
 
.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/24/08
|
  
But it's not an advertisment.
mikefarinha | 09/24/08
|
   
.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/24/08
|
    
....
mikefarinha | 09/24/08
|
     
same argument
TedKraan | 09/25/08
|
   
who would fight
TedKraan | 09/24/08
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People that have a stake in promoting Linux.
mikefarinha | 09/24/08
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Not what i'm getting at
TedKraan | 09/25/08
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Silly Ted
mikefarinha | 09/25/08
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But Mikey..
TedKraan | 09/26/08
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Which is why...
John L. Ries | 09/24/08
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I disagree with you.
mikefarinha | 09/24/08
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Sugar coating a ****
Ole Man | 09/24/08
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Captain curt-quip
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
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Would have said the same about Red Hat or anyone else
John L. Ries | 09/24/08
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This is fascinating good stuff, Mike.
TedKraan | 09/25/08
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Yes, I hage a degree in business Ted.
mikefarinha | 09/25/08
|
     
tar.gz
TedKraan | 09/26/08
|
   
worth their salt = grain of salt
rcpr@... | 09/25/08
|
  
But
ksarkies@... | 09/25/08
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Ethical business takes effort
John L. Ries | 09/25/08
|
 
You are right
Ole Man | 09/24/08
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The question is...
storm14k | 09/24/08
|

Every study is colored by the world-view ...
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
|
 
Opinion and dishonesty are not the same.
trentreviso | 09/29/08
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RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
b_radley | 09/24/08
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In the past MS claimed a lower TCO.
bjbrock | 09/24/08
|

Steve Jobs
Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/08
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Like asking the devil the way to heaven
Alan Smithie | 09/24/08
|

Vista well help the devil show the way to heaven
binstock@... | 09/25/08
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lmao
DemonX | 09/24/08
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BSOD in emerging markets
n0neXn0ne | 09/24/08
|
Linux vs Windows: The TCO wars continue ...
n0neXn0ne | 09/24/08
|

Microsoft and some analysts claimed Linux has a higher Total Cost of
Ole Man | 09/24/08
|
 
"Game" was the right term Ole Man. What a sham.
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
|
  
I thought so too, Zuny
Ole Man | 10/02/08
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TCO not fixed, Linux more flexible
ricstorms@... | 09/24/08
|

Good point, Linux will only get cheaper. Windows cannot. nt
T1Oracle | 09/24/08
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Love the first line
John L. Ries | 09/24/08
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how so?
CobraA1 | 09/24/08
|

You're SUPPOSED to be too thick to realize that
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
|

Good Point re: TCO value
Q'sDad | 09/25/08
|
 
It really depends
daengbo | 09/25/08
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A "Microsoft-sponsered study"?
Ole Man | 09/24/08
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In my experience, Linux costs far more than Windows
joemartn | 09/24/08
|

Why are you buying Linux CDs?
Henry Miller | 09/24/08
|
 
Saves some time and effort
John L. Ries | 09/24/08
|
  
Free CDs
Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/08
|

I walked from Phoenix to New York
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
|

If you're BUYing Linux CDs, you're getting ripped off. (nt)
CobraA1 | 09/25/08
|

Buying Linux CDs & re-install??
bobpeg | 09/25/08
|

Me too, CD's cost almost 27c each now!
TripleII | 09/27/08
|
Yep a Ford Model T and a Prius have the same TCO
tonymcs@... | 09/24/08
|

And here was me thinking...
zkiwi | 09/24/08
|
 
Wrong zkiwi.
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
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True
TedKraan | 09/25/08
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Obviously false.
T1Oracle | 09/24/08
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RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
mwagner@... | 09/24/08
|

RE: ... TCO ...
n0neXn0ne | 09/24/08
|

You are right there
TedKraan | 09/25/08
|

Give it up Wagner
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
|
 
Give up what? I would love to see ...
mwagner@... | 09/25/08
|

Precisely!
Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/08
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Sick and Tired of the FUD
trentreviso | 09/24/08
|

"Does Microsoft really think the world is full of nothing but idiots?"
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
|
 
I prefer the term..
TedKraan | 09/25/08
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RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
flipper_r@... | 09/24/08
|
So what about year 6, 7, 8...
iTeaBoy | 09/25/08
|
94 posts so far ...
jamesu | 09/25/08
|

Is it necessary?
n0neXn0ne | 09/25/08
|
Press release as news?
scott1329 | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
jns@... | 09/25/08
|

and it will improve the lives of those around you
fr0thy2 | 09/25/08
|
 
It's disturbing...
jns@... | 09/25/08
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RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
Rambo Tribble | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
jeremy@... | 09/25/08
|
Window is old technology.
joe.smetona@... | 09/25/08
|

I bet you're talking about Windows 3.1. Now that's comparable to Linux...
transposeIT | 09/26/08
|
 
LInux Security.
joe.smetona@... | 09/26/08
|
Please do your homework!
matthewboh | 09/25/08
|
Which is more predictable?
RocketEater | 09/25/08
|
They didn't include Time Spent on the Phone!
madrucke@... | 09/25/08
|
Must Drive you ABMers crazy....
JoeMama_z | 09/25/08
|

Nah
John L. Ries | 09/25/08
|
 
Been there a hundred times, leads to a universal truth...
TripleII | 09/25/08
|

Thank you for the smile.
TripleII | 09/25/08
|

and Microsoft..
TedKraan | 09/26/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
insanish1 | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
balentien_5@... | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
rreinhold058@... | 09/25/08
|
Computers for emerging markets ....
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
Thempleton | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
1djk1 | 09/25/08
|
Review your TCO numbers
avillegasdb | 09/25/08
|
What about FV of capital ...
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
jlmuzzio | 09/25/08
|
Be all that you can be...Use Linux...
mikifinaz1@... | 09/25/08
|
A MicroShaft Report Discussed by a MicroShaft Apologist - Typical
drprodny | 09/25/08
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Doesn't it depend on the Type of Linux? (Lotus Foundations?)
gavin.bollard@... | 09/25/08
|

.....
Linux User 147560 | 09/25/08
|

Run a minimum GUI or use web based tools ...
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
|
HA, HA, HA, a Microsoft-sponsored study
Sumsare | 09/25/08
|
Study is discredited - Here is the proof
MisterMiester | 09/25/08
|
Damn if you did, damn if you don't...
transposeIT | 09/26/08
|

Not so, point us to them.
TripleII | 09/26/08
|
 
Interesting. Accuse and refuse. nice.
xuniL_z | 09/26/08
|
  
Windows is just a dream ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/08
|
   
...dream or icecream
n0neXn0ne | 09/27/08
|
    
Find is tooo slow ...
MisterMiester | 09/27/08
|
     
tRu dAt, tho ...
n0neXn0ne | 09/27/08
|
  
I thought my reply was asking for evidence.
TripleII | 09/27/08
|
   
Even without these studies ...
MisterMiester | 09/27/08
|
RE: Usual contradictions.
Axsimulate | 09/26/08
|

Axsimulate.
xuniL_z | 10/02/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
toddh@... | 09/26/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/26/08
|
Yes - but where does the money go?
cquirke1 | 09/27/08
|

Haven't even thought about that yet
TedKraan | 09/27/08
|

Excellent point
trentreviso | 09/29/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
JustTheFacts | 09/27/08
|
RE: Microsoft: Windows and Linux offer same TCO in emerging markets
JustTheFacts | 09/27/08
|
playing with the numbers
itchy8me | 09/28/08
|

Some SLA's are met the same way
TedKraan | 09/28/08
|
Lies, lies, lies, and more lies.
trentreviso | 09/28/08
|

objectivity
TedKraan | 09/28/08
|

Microsoft "Partners in Learning" program.
Zogg | 09/30/08
|
100 reasons Linux beats Windows
n0neXn0ne | 09/29/08
|
omitted costs: Education Applications
WozaRichEd | 10/01/08
|

Same as leaving the logic out
Ole Man | 10/02/08
|
End user support for Windows is higher than Linux
The Rationalist | 10/09/08
|