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October 9th, 2008

How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 8:47 am

Categories: Apple, Channel, Corporate strategy, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: PC, Microsoft Windows Vista, Apple Inc., Microsoft Corp., Laptop Computer, Microsoft Windows, Ultramobile PCs (UMPCs), Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Desktops, Operating Systems

Just when the Windows marketing team thought things probably couldn’t get much worse, there’s word that Apple may be gearing up to launch a new Macbook with a low-end $800 price point.

One of the biggest selling points for new Vista PCs is price. There are more than a few decent Vista laptops out there for under $1,000.

Apple’s PC marketshare is hovering around eight to nine percent in the U.S. For many, Apple machines are still just too expensive — even though the lowest end Macbooks can be had for about $1, 099. But if users could get an Apple laptop for $800, I’d think many would think longer and harder about whether to go with Windows or Mac OS X.

Microsoft — and its PC partners — aren’t sitting idly by waiting for Apple to eat its lunch. Microsoft execs have stated repeatedly that the company, going forward, is working more closely with OEMs to create better out-of-the-box experiences for Windows PC users. It sounds like this will go beyond reducing and/or removing crapware.

There are other projects hatching in other groups at Microsoft, too. Microsoft Corporate Vice President Bill Mitchell and his PC|3 team, which is part of Microsoft’s Core Operating System Division (COSD), is working on “improving the mobile PC experience” for users in the developed and developing worlds both. From what little I’ve heard about PC|3, it sounds like at least part of its mission involves picking up where the Ultra-Mobile PC (UMPC) folks at Microsoft left off.

Microsoft has been mum on when/how/if it can get Vista and its successors to run on ultra-low-cost PCs (ULPCs). Currently, because of system requirements, Microsoft allows ULPC makers to ship with Windows XP, not Vista, and will do so through 2010. Given that magic 2010 cut-off date, I’d expect that the Windows team is working to produce some Windows 7 SKU that will be customized to run on ULPC systems.

Don’t forget, coming up from the other end of the market, there’s also a skunkworks effort inside Microsoft to port Windows Mobile to Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs). No word on what’s happening on that front….

If Apple does, indeed field an $800 laptop, do you think Microsoft will lose much market share? What else should and could Microsoft be doing to steel itself for a possible Apple price attack?

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RE: $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?
There are two issues to consider here.

First This is the first time that Apple has positioned it's Mac book in direct competition with Microsoft.Perhaps Apple sees Microsoft as a wounded Elepha... (Read the rest)
Posted by: The Management consultant Posted on: 10/28/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Maybe, maybe not.  nix_hed | 10/09/08
Typo and no edit button, still...  nix_hed | 10/09/08
re: no edit button  Badgered | 10/09/08
You can edit your post...  Linux User 147560 | 10/09/08
You can already access the MB's hard drive!  electronista | 10/09/08
I don't want apple...  vandchaynes@... | 10/09/08
Hmmm,  maldain | 10/10/08
what total BS  Paul Fletcher | 10/10/08
Do You Work For Microsoft?  justgold79@... | 10/10/08
No, he's just yet another Bush Nazi Micro$haft Bigot  drprod@... | 10/10/08
I had to ask  justgold79@... | 10/13/08
You should get some medication for that issue you have - nt  USTechHead | 10/14/08
Fail  dclhacker | 10/10/08
FUD...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/10/08
You forget..  arminw | 10/10/08
Download time for the app itself is minimal  mrlinux | 10/13/08
@ Arminw: Printers...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/14/08
@ MrLinux: Cut the FUD... Please... It's NOT becoming..  Wolfie2K3 | 10/14/08
Pass--flying colors.  gypkap@... | 10/10/08
lol. non-res  TacoSauce | 10/11/08
Fail?  t-meers | 10/13/08
Congratulations on your newly acquired trolls.  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Riigghhhtttt....  ajole | 10/10/08
I like linux but...  deowll | 10/10/08
Ever tried Xandros?  JCitizen | 10/12/08
Let me clarify my statement...  vandchaynes@... | 10/10/08
"user status" = Sheep  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
Yeah, right  vandchaynes@... | 10/10/08
I detest the non user  deowll | 10/10/08
Here's an idea  frabjous | 10/11/08
BIOS'es to make removal of Vista impossible ....  fr0thy2 | 10/10/08
Put the crack pipe DOWN, fool...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/10/08
Shhh he's the court jester and the entertainment  USTechHead | 10/14/08
I had a smart/dumb idea a long time ago...  deowll | 10/10/08
You're right - smart AND dumb  jdickey | 10/13/08
NOT smart... Just dumb...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/14/08
Ahh another comment to prove the point - keep it up - thank you! nt  USTechHead | 10/14/08
Right on  kguzzi@... | 10/10/08
I'm not a fan of Apple, but . . .  jjworleyeoe | 10/09/08
I agree  P. Douglas | 10/09/08
Vista sux  VistaSux | 10/11/08
Yawn nt  USTechHead | 10/14/08
My wife loves her Vista laptop.  vandchaynes@... | 10/09/08
If they could, they would  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
Nope... That's wrong...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/10/08
Wrong?  athynz | 10/10/08
never did answer the question  NoThomas | 10/13/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  dave@... | 10/09/08
Wanna make a bet?  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
Apple will hurt M$, but Linux will kill it because...  Linux Geek | 10/10/08
Sorry, but Linux is a dream that no one's buying...  vpitman1@... | 10/11/08
Linux will kill Windows  tech_walker | 10/11/08
Maybe we have a clue on this.  deowll | 10/10/08
"apple 'raping' its customers"  brian ansorge | 10/10/08
Hard to say  John L. Ries | 10/09/08
Maybe, but it will be more of the same from Apple  stano360 | 10/10/08
Really?  ajole | 10/10/08
It's not just the hardware...  arminw | 10/10/08
You can forget it.  deowll | 10/10/08
It depends on...  jdickey | 10/14/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  bobiroc | 10/09/08
Your $650 windows laptop  aplman | 10/10/08
That is the dumbest logic I've ever heard  patrykg | 10/10/08
I agree  bobiroc | 10/10/08
Problems on both platforms....  vandchaynes@... | 10/10/08
The most reliable machine.  deowll | 10/10/08
Really? Look at car warranties  bmoore@... | 10/10/08
Mac Convert....  PowerMacSC | 10/10/08
I priced them both out  bobiroc | 10/10/08
come back to reality  rud ver | 10/10/08
Talk about moron logic  bobiroc | 10/10/08
Here's the Deal...  PowerMacSC | 10/10/08
Windows no more  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
Re: Hear's the Deal...  bobiroc | 10/10/08
Expensive OS  Graham Ellison | 10/15/08
No you won't.  deowll | 10/10/08
Really? ..............  kuilboer | 10/10/08
re: Really?  robertleeking@... | 10/12/08
So macs arent built buy Chinese?  JCitizen | 10/12/08
There are some on sales out there that starts as  windozefreak | 10/10/08
About as much as their $700 Mini has hurt the desktop market.  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
Exactly. nt  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
Desktops are just not hot in any form.  TripleII | 10/09/08
yeah, but...  ericesque | 10/09/08
I'll likely stick with a tower  CobraA1 | 10/09/08
Thank You!  vandchaynes@... | 10/09/08
I play games.  Sleeper Service | 10/10/08
Ditto  tikigawd | 10/10/08
Desktop and a Laptop! I love redundancy, what about netbooks?!  David the Nerd | 10/10/08
You have to love Antec  stano360 | 10/10/08
I prefer desktop  timiteh | 10/10/08
I'll stick with my tower...laptop is nice  USTechHead | 10/10/08
That does seem to be a trend..  deowll | 10/10/08
Not exactly...  frabjous | 10/12/08
it would  Monkeypox | 10/09/08
MS shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
Poor creature  kitko | 10/09/08
re: Radio is dead.  Badgered | 10/09/08
Actually Radio is alive, my Creative Zen 16GB MP3 player can tune it  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
Radio is dead.  deowll | 10/10/08
Very Little  adante256 | 10/09/08
Marketshare isn't the killer really.  TripleII | 10/09/08
Not MS vs Apple  j.m.galvin | 10/09/08
More buyers attract more Apps  mimididi | 10/10/08
Why keep a Wintel system?  frabjous | 10/12/08
*facepalm*  Sleeper Service | 10/13/08
Two months ago I would have said  GuidingLight | 10/09/08
Its still x86 which means users will install Windows on it  Mr. Dee | 10/09/08
APPLE OS's NEED TO BE A VMWARE COMPATIBLE NOW  pcguy777 | 10/09/08
Not going to happen  electronista | 10/09/08
In fact that is part of the attraction.  deowll | 10/10/08
Who in their right mind would buy a CHEAP Mac?  Scrat | 10/09/08
Holy weird post batwoman!  TripleII | 10/09/08
"the entire Apple product line only about status?" Duh! nt  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
It isn't though.  TripleII | 10/09/08
Uh, have you missed the whole point of Apple?  stano360 | 10/10/08
All Mac = Epic Fail  Mectron | 10/09/08
hmmm  john@... | 10/09/08
well  Badgered | 10/09/08
Please expand  c-chops | 10/09/08
I will expand a little bit  bobiroc | 10/09/08
thank you  Mectron | 10/09/08
LOL  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
Well...  Badgered | 10/10/08
It comes down to that very often  bobiroc | 10/10/08
Look...  vikingnyc@... | 10/10/08
Demand?  bobiroc | 10/10/08
Sheer ignorance of Mectron  fox.kenji | 10/09/08
Really?  Sleeper Service | 10/10/08
How about this?  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
99.9% of cult members love their cult  Paul Fletcher | 10/10/08
How about we ignore Mectron's bad language skills  bmerc | 10/10/08
I did  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
"a shiny plastic case"  bmerc | 10/10/08
It's spelled "Macs" not "Mectron" but I see your point. nt  T1Oracle | 10/10/08
Dullard  deowll | 10/10/08
Mectron, are you on a worldwide cruise on the failboat?  Scrat | 10/11/08
There are alot of Porsche Boxsters on the road. NT  bmonster | 10/09/08
911 = not all that  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
If you say so but...  deowll | 10/10/08
who in their right mind would buy a mac ?  CexCells | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  wings_rfs@... | 10/09/08
I am officially a Windows Fanboi! Cool, never was one before.  TripleII | 10/09/08
Look outside the window,,,,  Mectron | 10/09/08
OK, I was fine with this thread for awhile...  vikingnyc@... | 10/10/08
Spell checker is your friend  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
Sniffing the fumes again?  athynz | 10/10/08
and Jobs stole the entire thing including the mouse.  deowll | 10/10/08
A major dent  fox.kenji | 10/09/08
Cherry picking factoids does not a good argument make.  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
talk about being in denial  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
And the quarterly sales figures...  Sleeper Service | 10/13/08
If he has something that makes my heart beat faster...  deowll | 10/10/08
Microsoft's Going Down  David Blomstrom | 10/09/08
Why is Bill Gate's philantropy phony?  Roque Mocan | 10/09/08
Leaving Microsoft???  David Blomstrom | 10/09/08
Because Mr Blomstrom has not told you his agenda  GuidingLight | 10/09/08
what?  mistermachine | 10/09/08
Also  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/08
why is it phony?  mistermachine | 10/09/08
Nope...  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
money doesn't buy happyness.  deowll | 10/10/08
... and so what if he is? Doing the right ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/08
It's not Bill Gates' philanthropy, it's Melinda's  bmerc | 10/10/08
Yeah, but it's Bill's money.  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Melodramatic  bmonster | 10/09/08
It isn't clear that all Mac sells hurt MS as much as Mac fans claim.  deowll | 10/10/08
Phony? Well you're not even worth the dirt Bill Gates walks on...  transposeIT | 10/10/08
Agree - Bill G is no phony philanthropist  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/10/08
Gates Image is irrelevant!  pikeman666 | 10/10/08
RE: Agreed, Notebooks Rule  mistermachine | 10/09/08
See, with my Windows laptop...  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
because  Mectron | 10/09/08
You do need to keep up with things.  deowll | 10/10/08
How much would an $800 Apple laptop be worth ?  s_souche | 10/09/08
MSFT doesn't need a good user experience  HollywoodDog | 10/09/08
So...  Sleeper Service | 10/10/08
The question would be "How much it would hurt Apple itself"  Zukuzu | 10/09/08
Oh - good point. A new audience will be painful for them...nt  USTechHead | 10/10/08
No hurt at all. Gain instead.  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
Tell it to Jobs.  deowll | 10/10/08
I'll go for it  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/10/08
hopefully Macbooks will be cheaper  deowll | 10/10/08
Where the game will be won and lost.  General C# | 10/10/08
Surface is dead already  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
They'd have to run commercials based on specs not cool  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/08
Better plan  zmud | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  jasonh1234 | 10/10/08
If Apple does...  Jeremy W | 10/10/08
HEAR HEAR! Some rationality in here -- FINALLY  dropzone@... | 10/10/08
Where?  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
What a pointless article  The Rationalist | 10/10/08
I use both MS 2007 and Open Office.  deowll | 10/10/08
No  Spiritusindomit@... | 10/10/08
$800 Mac Laptop = $500 PC Laptop  Narg | 10/10/08
for me it's irrelevant!  pikeman666 | 10/10/08
For me it's also irrelevant  vikingnyc@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  bobiroc | 10/10/08
The above comment is directed at aplman  bobiroc | 10/10/08
A Good Name for the Group Working to Port Vista to PDA-like Devices  lcarliner@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  mandehu@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  lcarliner@... | 10/10/08
Are we still discussing OS market share?  b.bob | 10/10/08
For a long time now ...  mwagner@... | 10/10/08
Actually, maybe Apple can compete in the mid-range market.  trentreviso | 10/13/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  epplaw@... | 10/10/08
How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  mwagner@... | 10/10/08
Dual core??  Graham Ellison | 10/11/08
Let's find out. Cloud makes this possible  bbneo | 10/10/08
Vista mobile vs Mac  mjolnar@... | 10/10/08
Doh!  Graham Ellison | 10/11/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  jramacciotti | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  jestewart1 | 10/10/08
Are you kidding?  stano360 | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  elnegron | 10/10/08
Cost alone is not enough  josephmartins | 10/10/08
Bait for some, but for most, a non-event  SteveMak | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  Arye Michael Bender | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  mshepherd | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  pawo | 10/10/08
A Little Silly But...  carlosc647@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  psion@... | 10/10/08
How much would a well advertised $400 Linux laptop hurt either  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/08
Probably wont hurt them at all?  cymru999 | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  docbillnet | 10/10/08
What else should and could Microsoft be doing to steel itself ...  softwareFlunky | 10/10/08
Is Apple going to replace the MS software that most people have?  balsover | 10/10/08
Not necessarily...  mrebar-hha | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  Graham Ellison | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  tamrac@... | 10/10/08
mac is better than windows but...  bendib | 10/10/08
Answer: NOT MUCH...  Wolfie2K3 | 10/10/08
How much would it hurt? Plenty!!!  JCitizen | 10/10/08
It would probably hurt Apple more than M$  eMJayy | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  david.mcquiggin@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  timothyt@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  dcmorton | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  DonBurnett | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  DonBurnett | 10/10/08
I would buy it if...  mikifinaz1@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  joebishpie | 10/10/08
$800?? Try $500 instead...compete on PRICE, too  chas_2 | 10/10/08
Do a fair compare  wings_rfs@... | 10/10/08
Can't do a fair compare.  ajole | 10/10/08
Cost vs Value  fox.kenji | 10/10/08
One small problem with car analogy  zmud | 10/10/08
I'd definately look seriously at the $US800 Macbook  tracy anne | 10/10/08
why bother with either!  CexCells | 10/10/08
I HOPE Apple drops their prices...  skatersev | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  drprod@... | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  T-Wrench | 10/10/08
I doubt it would hurt MS much at all.  Hobyx | 10/10/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  LordPringle | 10/11/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  richdave | 10/11/08
Possibly but...  monday90 | 10/12/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  carl.iglesias@... | 10/12/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  pico_D | 10/13/08
why kill microsoft?  danbi | 10/13/08
A better out of the box experience..  Jeremy W | 10/13/08
RE: How much would an $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  miguel.angel.arino.clarke@... | 10/13/08
RE: Bug free?  The Management consultant | 10/24/08
RE: $800 Apple laptop hurt Microsoft?  The Management consultant | 10/28/08

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