On TV.com: Is DEXTER a Little Boring This Season?
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

October 16th, 2008

Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 10:36 am

Categories: Advertising, Corporate strategy, Vista, Windows 7, Windows client, Yahoo

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Steve Ballmer, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley, Microsoft Corp.

It seems Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally thrown in the towel. Vista’s biggest cheerleader seems about ready to give up trying to convince anyone who hasn’t yet upgraded to Windows Vista that waiting for Windows 7 is a bad idea.

“Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better,” Ballmer said, according to my ZDNet blogging colleage Larry Dignan’s report on Ballmer’s annual on-stage Q&A with Gartner analysts at the Gartner Symposium ITxpo.

(Gartner, for its part, surprisingly is telling corporate customers there are some real reasons to consider upgrading to Vista now, rather than waiting for Windows 7.)

Ballmer also shared his two cents on Yahoo. Microsoft buy of Yahoo right now might be good for respective shareholders of both companies, Microsoft is not currently engaged in acquisition talks with its one-time takeover candidate, Ballmer said.

As I — and many other Microsoft watchers have noted — Microsoft is in a tough spot with Vista/Windows 7 positioning right now. In less than two weeks, the company will be touting a pre-beta build of Windows 7 at its Professional Developers Conference (PDC). Microsoft is proclaiming that Windows 7 will be a major release of its Windows client, but comments like those made by Ballmer today make that a tough proposition to defend.

As Microsoft officials reemphasized via a posting on October 15 on the company’s Engineering 7 blog, the Windows team is not showing potential customers features that might not make it into the final Windows 7 product.  (One of the Windows 7 dev team’s new rallying cries is “Cutting is shipping!”) The way that Windows 7 is being built seems to imply that the product could ship at any time, as no untested code is part of any of the milestone builds.

My contention remains that — as hard as it is to believe after years of Windows slip dates –  Windows 7 is closer to shipping than many people think. While Microsoft’s public positioning as to when Windows 7 hasn’t changed, I have heard from customers that Microsoft is privately telling them it’s coming in the latter half of 2009.

All of these factors combined, no doubt, make it tougher for marketing/sales folks to convince customers who haven’t yet upgraded to Vista that they should do so now.

I doubt we’ll see any ads featuring the latest Ballmerism on Windows 7 being Vista with some tweaks. But “Windows 7: Vista done right” is kind of catchy…. Or there’s always “Windows 7: The Anti-Vista.”

Mary Jo FoleyMary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 20 years. Don't miss a single post. Subscribe via Email or RSS. You can also follow Mary Jo on Twitter.

Got a tip? Send Mary Jo your rants, rumors, tips and tattles. For disclosure on Mary Jo's industry affiliations, click here or to see Mary Jo's full profile click here.

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 135 Talkback(s)
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'
In the risk factors section, Yahoo management mentioned the possibility of sexy costumes new technologies (that) could block our advertisements or our search ma... (Read the rest)
Posted by: sexy costumes Posted on: 11/11/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Here's a suggestion  PlsGiveMeABreak | 10/16/08
You must really..  BR999 | 10/16/08
Vista Ultimate, Just Worthless "Trash"!  Lars777 | 10/21/08
ROFL  cwg69 | 10/23/08
um  Badgered | 10/16/08
In The Eye Of The Beholder  jimr@... | 10/17/08
Looks like first post was correct.  pluganyname | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  Loverock Davidson | 10/16/08
Willing to forgive MS for Vista... IF...  ejhonda | 10/16/08
There is nothing to forgive  Loverock Davidson | 10/16/08
I Forgive Loverock For Being A Lifeless Moron  itanalyst2@... | 10/16/08
You forgive Loverock - Why?  Don Collins | 10/16/08
Pay?  kozmcrae | 10/16/08
Call me a MS Shill  bobiroc | 10/17/08
Loverock is Steve Ballmer?  mlindl | 10/23/08
It is easy to imagine that he ...  mwagner@... | 10/17/08
Exactly what are you suffering from?  CrashPad | 10/17/08
YES Free Upgrade  ilordvader | 10/17/08
define better -  coffee junky | 10/17/08
Vista's 11 Pillars of Failure  chessmen | 10/19/08
WinFS a bad missing part?  SamCPP | 10/19/08
Re: Pillars of Failure  bobiroc | 10/20/08
Leap frog  professordnm | 10/20/08
I'm going to vomit  mlindl | 10/23/08
Marketing in anticipation of Vista SE  Anton Philidor | 10/16/08
Rudeness Scale: 1  kozmcrae | 10/16/08
M$ cand deliver windows 7 in a week  Linux Geek | 10/16/08
lacks credibility  BitBanger!USA | 10/16/08
That is because  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/08
Why do Linux fanatics always sound so infantile?  TheWerewolf | 10/16/08
Didn't know I was part of a cause  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/08
Then the point of your responses are??? (nt)  ye | 10/16/08
Depends...  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/08
@Linux User 147560: It would have been easier to just say...  ye | 10/16/08
Who you talking to?  kozmcrae | 10/16/08
And the comedy hour starts...  CrashPad | 10/17/08
No, you have a horrible OS  CobraA1 | 10/23/08
It's almost a dyslexic message from MS.  TripleII | 10/16/08
The reference was wrt the user interface and not...  ye | 10/16/08
Spin spin spin  TripleII | 10/16/08
Why did you leave out the following words:  ye | 10/16/08
In that case...  deaf_e_kate | 10/17/08
Irrelevent. The fact remains the quote was taken out of context...  ye | 10/17/08
Win 7 is not the same  deaf_e_kate | 10/17/08
Hold on there rtfa...  CrashPad | 10/17/08
errr. not me  deaf_e_kate | 10/17/08
Now With 50% More Civility  DannyO_0x98 | 10/16/08
Which is...  benblush@... | 10/17/08
Good points ...  mwagner@... | 10/17/08
Thing is - how many more copies of Vista are they going to sell...  TheWerewolf | 10/16/08
so what ?  trenchsol | 10/16/08
Umm the Unix in OSX is older than NT  CrashPad | 10/17/08
I don't know but MS didn't lose any money ...  mwagner@... | 10/17/08
Better how?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/16/08
Someone who actually knows the context.  ye | 10/16/08
That is the first time anyone has called me an ABMer.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/16/08
You misunderstand what I was saying.  ye | 10/16/08
I was called an MS shill not too long ago.  TripleII | 10/16/08
Cross-Dressing?  Ole Man | 10/17/08
It won't be named Vista  CobraA1 | 10/23/08
You mean Vista EARNED a bad reputation  mlindl | 10/23/08
Fixed it how?  dianecmiles@... | 10/23/08
Microsoft Is Walking A Thin Line  mikefarinha | 10/16/08
Guess you didn't see the 3q 2008 results then  stevey_d | 10/16/08
Show me a new PC that doesn't meet those requirements  mikefarinha | 10/16/08
Corporate PCs  vikingnyc@... | 10/17/08
Show me a new PC that doesn't meet those requirements  Daiv_Skinner | 10/17/08
Incorrect position there Steveyd  CrashPad | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  nix_hed | 10/16/08
Your post reminds me of George Orwell's 1984...  Sleeper Service | 10/17/08
oh ad youre the paragon of subjective analysis..  CrashPad | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  Raist1000 | 10/16/08
Give it a rest already! Microsoft isn't forcing anyone.  ye | 10/16/08
Give it a rest already! Microsoft isn't forcing anyone.  Raist1000 | 10/16/08
And how does this mean Microsoft is forcing people to move to Vista?  ye | 10/17/08
It's happened with every new MS OS  LiquidLearner | 10/16/08
a lot of us hate the changes in the GUI in Vista  stevey_d | 10/16/08
Microsoft Forcing  bobiroc | 10/16/08
OTOH  vikingnyc@... | 10/17/08
Yes and...  bobiroc | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but suck a lot less'  JohnM865 | 10/16/08
How To Make It Better Than Vista  itanalyst2@... | 10/16/08
Will the real Vista please stand up.  kozmcrae | 10/16/08
Meatloaf again? Windows 7 or Vista MEse  jscarey | 10/16/08
My condolences to your clients...  CrashPad | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  starkeeper4m | 10/16/08
RE: MS reinvented the wheel and its square.  Raist1000 | 10/16/08
Wow where to start... NT  CrashPad | 10/17/08
EXTRA, EXTRA, Ballmer admits: Vista sux!  ghot@... | 10/17/08
I have...  Jeremy W | 10/17/08
Are you related to Steve Jobs? NT  CrashPad | 10/17/08
Are you (gulp)  Jeremy W | 10/23/08
They bought that one last year  Ole Man | 10/17/08
Can I ask a question?  Sleeper Service | 10/17/08
Or not....  James Quinn | 10/17/08
None of which justifies their childish behavior.  ye | 10/17/08
Don't forget Zealots...:)  James Quinn | 10/17/08
No they should not.  ye | 10/17/08
I disagree.....  James Quinn | 10/17/08
There's a difference between self defense and acting like a child...  ye | 10/17/08
Perhaps but....  James Quinn | 10/17/08
I disagree.....  Daiv_Skinner | 10/17/08
I don't feel like I'm "locked in" at all...  vikingnyc@... | 10/17/08
I don't find myself locked in either  voska1 | 10/17/08
Cheap?  Sleeper Service | 10/20/08
Talk about cold comfort  Chad_z | 10/17/08
Perhaps the problem lies with your outsourcing provider and not...  ye | 10/17/08
Hardware Requirements  Spats30 | 10/17/08
Stop with the FUD already.  ye | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  todbran@... | 10/17/08
So basically.....  todbran@... | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  stdo57@... | 10/17/08
Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  mwagner@... | 10/17/08
RE: A Nice Reprieve  jimr@... | 10/17/08
Desparate?  Ole Man | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  support@... | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  Ania Levy | 10/17/08
I won't know if Windows 7 Will Be Better  ebhb2004@... | 10/17/08
There's new thing called 'SteadyState' and 'Backup and Restore'  cantthinkany | 10/17/08
RE: Is Vista better than XP  laman | 10/17/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  jimk_z | 10/18/08
Win7 (6.1) = Vista (6.0) + bloatware  qmlscycrajg | 10/18/08
So Windows 7 is llike Windows XP where Vista is Windows Me  Randalllind | 10/18/08
Oy Vey! And now Vista is even better!?  SteveMak | 10/20/08
Interesting take. But...  bjbrock | 10/23/08
You missed the jist of the message  SteveMak | 10/23/08
Winblow 7 = Winblow Vista = Total Failure  Gradius2 | 10/20/08
Just another disappointment.  bjbrock | 10/23/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  vger_z | 10/23/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  loooza | 10/23/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  ramnet@... | 10/23/08
Making XP even better isn't happening. The code is different!  rtirman37@... | 10/24/08
A Novel Idea  wjgrimm | 10/28/08
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  Jackie150 | 10/14/09
RE: Ballmer: 'Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better'  sexy costumes | 11/11/09

What do you think?

SponsoredWhite Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

Click Here
advertisement

Order Microsoft 2.0

Pre-order Microsoft 2.0

Order 'Microsoft 2.0' by Mary Jo Foley at Amazon.com.

Recent Entries

advertisement

Archives

ZDNet Blogs

White Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

  • Smart Tech Expert advice on innovations in healthcare and the green technologies that make it happen. Find out more
  • Smart Business Discussion and advice on management issues that revolve around making your world smarter and more useful. More Smart Advice
  • Smart People The best and worst moves in the management and strategy trenches. Learn More