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November 17th, 2008

Will Microsoft apply 'Vista-Capable' lessons to Win 7 netbooks?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 9:37 am

Categories: Channel, OEMs, System builders, Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, OEM, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Passcode, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

As the e-mail trail in the “Vista-capable” class-action suit continues to unfold, I can’t help but wonder whether Microsoft will apply some of the lessons it (hopefully) learned about working with OEMs to Windows 7 — especially in the netbook space.

The original suit, filed in March 2007, claimed Microsoft “engaged in bait and switch — assuring consumers they were purchasing ‘Vista Capable’ machines when, in fact, they could obtain only a stripped-down operating system lacking the functionality and features that Microsoft advertised as ‘Vista.’” In the ensuing months, as the judge overseeing the case agreed to unseal various e-mail messages between Microsoft and its OEM partners, it has become clear that Microsoft’s two-tier Vista marketing program — seemingly created to appease Intel — didn’t sit well with PC makers.

Will Microsoft apply ‘Vista-Capable’ lessons to Win 7 netbooks?

With netbooks, Microsoft may be entering similarly unchartered and potentially hazardous waters. A growing number of market watchers are predicting that more and more users may end up purchasing a low-end PC capable of little more than e-mail and Web browsing over a more powerful (and expensive) PC. If this does happen to the extent some analysts are now forecasting, how will Microsoft react to  keep its margins and profits high?

In a recent blog post, I wondered whether Microsoft will charge netbook makers less per copy to license Windows 7 than it does to license Windows 7 running on a fully-powered laptop/notebook/PC. I believed this to be a question, rather than a given, because Microsoft officials are saying that a full — not a stripped-down — version of Windows 7 will run on netbooks. Even though netbooks are coming in at a few hundred dollars, does that necessarily mean Microsoft can’t or won’t charge netbook OEMs the full price per copy for Windows?

“We calculate that Microsoft’s average revenue recognized per sale of Windows has been in the $60-$90 range depending on the SKU (that is the revenue that Microsoft sees, not what OEMs charge),” said Al Gillen, a system software analyst with IDC. “When a device gets to be under $500, the OS component is suddenly as much as 20% of the device cost, which is potentially getting out of balance. OEMs would have little recourse, if not for the fact that there are alternatives on the table today thanks to Linux. So I do believe it is reasonable to conclude that Microsoft may have to have some price adjustments based on the device form factor the OS will be delivered on, for Microsoft to remain competitive.”

Citigroup Investment Research analyst Richard Gardner said (during an investor call about Microsoft last week with software analyst Brent Thill and on which yours truly was an invited guest) that Microsoft is charging some OEMs delivering XP and/or Vista on netbooks half of the amount it charges them to preload XP/Vista on higher-end PCs.

“This may change if Netbooks take off in the developed world,” Gardner told me. “I think Microsoft thought Netbooks would only interest price sensitive buyers in emerging markets.”

(To hear a free replay of the full Citi call on Microsoft from last week, you can dial 888-203-1112 or 719-457-0820. The passcode is 4962867.)

So how does this relate back to the Vista Capable suit? One reason Microsoft got in hot water with its partners around Vista was its creation of multiple tiers/classifications (”Vista Ready” and “Vista Capable”) of products. With netbooks, I wonder whether Microsoft might end up creating a different (and cheaper — at least cheaper for PC makers) Windows 7 SKU that won’t include all of the features/functionality that Microsoft already has been touting as part of Windows 7.

Do you think the Softies have learned their lesson and will refrain from muddying the Windows 7 waters by delivering a less-capable Windows 7 netbook release? (Remember:  company officials already have been promising that the “full Windows 7 experience” is possible and deliverable on netbooks.) What do you think Microsoft should — and ultimately will — do around Windows 7 pricing/licensing for its PC-maker partners?

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Looking at the server space, it's more appropriate to use "R2" instead of SE. (Read the rest)
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As long as.................  Alan Smithie | 11/17/08
Actually Microsoft has already ....  ShadeTree | 11/17/08
Message has been deleted.  n0neXn0ne | 11/17/08
InfoWorld already benchmarked Windows 7 - another POS  boed | 11/17/08
FYI  ShadeTree | 11/17/08
That's your opinion.  Bozzer | 11/17/08
Except...  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
The difference is my claim is true ....  ShadeTree | 11/18/08
No...  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
RE: No... Yes ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/17/08
Which part of...  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
You do realise  Bozzer | 11/17/08
@Bozzer  Core2uu | 11/17/08
That's probably because it's an acronym.  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
Yeah right  Alan Smithie | 11/17/08
You do realise...  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
Does that mean  Bozzer | 11/17/08
That's about as likely as you...  Sleeper Service | 11/17/08
I propose multiple categories.  914four | 11/18/08
Aero does work on a 915 mobo.  ShadeTree | 11/18/08
Why not a 32 bits SKU for netbooks/legacy PC and 64 bits SKU for other PC ?  timiteh | 11/17/08
What are these magical services that need to be stripped down not in XP?  boed | 11/17/08
Because XP is an obsolete O.S to begin with  timiteh | 11/17/08
It's the size.  TripleII | 11/17/08
Will disk memory footprint matter by the time Windows 7 will be released ?  timiteh | 11/17/08
SSD gives better battery life though, robustness.  TripleII | 11/17/08
I know i have a Asus Eee PC 701  timiteh | 11/17/08
I also have an Eee PC 701  914four | 11/18/08
Comprehensive chart.  TripleII | 11/17/08
As I understand it...  Jaips | 11/17/08
And SP2 for Vista is Larger Still ...  PMC-CON | 12/15/08
I've seen noo decrease in virus infections with Vista  devlin_X | 11/17/08
And yet i don't get virus and malware  timiteh | 11/17/08
But you aren't the average user.....  devlin_X | 11/18/08
Yet my grandmother doesn't turn it off, must be working then (NT)  logicearth@... | 11/18/08
Yes i am not the average user  timiteh | 11/18/08
Ah, blame the user....  devlin_X | 11/20/08
Average users always click OK and Yes  boed | 11/18/08
Interesting...  AmraLeo | 11/19/08
Why do you perpetuate this myth?  TripleII | 11/17/08
They do have limitations  itpro_z | 11/17/08
Wouldn't agree with you....  devlin_X | 11/17/08
Try playing a movie on your ...  ShadeTree | 11/18/08
Why not 4 on my 16 gig SD card?  TripleII | 11/18/08
Funny It only takes me ....  ShadeTree | 11/18/08
What part of battery life is lost on you.  TripleII | 11/18/08
RE: TripleII  ShadeTree | 11/19/08
Be real... few actually watch movies on their computers  devlin_X | 11/29/08
Let me know how that ribbon interface works  Info-Dave | 11/18/08
What ribbon?  TripleII | 11/18/08
Will Management Play The Denial Card Again?  itanalyst2@... | 11/17/08
RE: Will Microsoft apply 'Vista-Capable' lessons to Win 7 netbooks?  tburzio | 11/17/08
What are netbooks really for?  itpro_z | 11/17/08
Power yes, features, not really, and not stripped down.  TripleII | 11/17/08
Different opinion  itpro_z | 11/17/08
Makes me think of an idea!  TripleII | 11/18/08
Just curious...  mistergoodman | 11/18/08
RE: Will Microsoft apply 'Vista-Capable' lessons to Win 7 netbooks?  teddybairs1 | 11/17/08
Personally...  kcredden2 | 11/17/08
There is no Win 7  NoPumpGas | 11/18/08
No kidding  timiteh | 11/18/08
i see more differences...  magallanes | 11/18/08
Sure  timiteh | 11/18/08
RE: Will Microsoft apply 'Vista-Capable' lessons to Win 7 netbooks?  theantibush | 11/18/08
Windows 7 netbooks  mistergoodman | 11/18/08
RE: Will Microsoft apply 'Vista-Capable' lessons to Win 7 netbooks?  mwagner@... | 11/19/08
Vista R2 == Windows 7  PMC-CON | 12/15/08
RE: Citigroup Investment Analysts  zclayton2 | 11/25/08

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