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February 2nd, 2009

XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:57 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Service Pack, Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Microsoft Windows XP, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

Whenever Microsoft releases a new version of Windows, there’s always some period of uncertainty when customers face the choice of moving to the current release or waiting for the new product. This year,  however, that transition period is especially uneasy.

Windows 7 is — by all accounts (except from the Microsoft honchos) — due out later this year and is looking faster, smaller and more stable than any Windows release out there. Windows Vista is here, but not a user favorite (to put it mildly). And eight-year-old Windows XP is still the dominant version of Windows out there.

So what’s a Windows user to do? Follow Microsoft’s corporate guidance and upgrade to Vista now in preparation for 7? Hang on a bit longer with XP? Try mixing and matching the three in your IT shop?

Microsoft’s Windows brass have been reticent to provide a detailed answer to the question “What should my desktop strategy be?” But Mike Fiorina, a Microsoft account tech specialist based in New England, grabbed the Windows-upgrade-confusion bull by the horns in a blog post this past weekend.

Fiorina explained that a perfect storm is brewing: XP SP2 mainstream support is set to end in July, 2010 April 2009 (and all support for it by July 2010).  XP SP3 extended support isn’t retiring until April 2014, which, Fiorina said, “gives XP environments some breathing room, but not necessarily as much as you might think.”

Even though Vista SP1 has been out for a year (and Vista SP2 is expected some time in the next few months), Vista still is suffering from both real and imagined limitations, Fiorina admitted. From his January 30 post:

“The one recurring theme in discussions with corporate customers is that (Vista) application compatibility is a problem. Applications may not run in Vista, or maybe they can, but it’s not supported by the vendor. Remediation will be costly and time consuming. We get it. Many of the acquisitions and investments we’ve made in the past few years are targeting that problem specifically (Application Virtualization – SoftGrid, Enterprise Desktop Virtualization – Kidaro, etc.)”

Fiorina noted that the generally positive beta reviews of Windows 7 has meant “we’re hearing from a lot of folks ‘Why should I upgrade to Vista when Windows 7 is right around the corner?’” His answer:

“If we look at it from the perspective of an enterprise with fairly unaggressive adoption cycles, then you’ll see that you may be putting yourself in an untenable situation a few years down the road.”

Untenable? Fiorina continued his line of reasoning with the caveat, “for the sake of argument, make these assumptions”:

  • “Company A doesn’t deploy new operating systems or major applications until Service Pack 1 (or a similar bug-fix milestone) has been provided by the vendor
  • Company A probably won’t even begin testing their application footprint against the new OS until said SP1 is available
  • Windows 7 ships in the fourth quarter of 2009
  • Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 would likely not be final until the first half of 2011, if not later (going by our historical timelines for SP1 releases)
  • So, Company A would begin testing migration from Windows XP to Windows 7 SP1 in 2011 sometime. How long would it take to perform adequate testing of your application suite to certify\remediate it for Windows 7? For most, this is at least a 6 to 12 month process…so, now we’re in mid-2012.  At that point, you’re ready to start building an image (hopefully using the MDT to make your lives easier).  Maybe the image is ready to go in early 2013. Then you have a little over a year to get it out company-wide until Windows XP hits end-of-life. Is that enough time?  Perhaps…but is it worth backing yourself into a corner?”

Sure, you could argue that Fiorina is a sales guy and is looking for any way possible to chalk up a few more Vista sales while Windows 7 is gaining steam. But, to me, his post highlights what’s likely to be one of the biggest IT questions in 2009: On which version of Windows should I standardize as my corporate desktop?

Corporate users: What’s your thinking here? Has your first taste of Windows 7 led you to change your deployment plans?

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Vista == Server 2008; Win7 == Server 2008 R2  de-void | 02/02/09
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Mary Jo Can I ask you...  custserv@... | 02/02/09
why did Vista fail?  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/03/09
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Might as well add in the rest...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/03/09
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System 7 to OSX  pebear | 02/03/09
I installed Vista RTM ...  mwagner@... | 02/03/09
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Moore's Law ...  mwagner@... | 02/03/09
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Vista wasn't perfect ...  de-void | 02/02/09
XP, Vista, Win 7  Agmachine | 02/02/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  Agmachine | 02/02/09
Oh dear.  de-void | 02/02/09
Microsoft  Agmachine | 02/03/09
No perfect storm, no nothing. Things going as planned for MS  Gruffydd | 02/02/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  elo8 | 02/02/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  PeterSS | 02/03/09
For a certain value of "large" happy  wolf_z | 02/16/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  pllamonica@... | 02/03/09
Nostradamus, Win7 and SP1  carlhataway@... | 02/03/09
That wasn't Nostradamus...  Dave32265 | 02/03/09
It's the Economy, Stupid  John-D | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  donelder@... | 02/03/09
I dunno about that...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/03/09
Window 7 better ?  troubled241 | 02/03/09
Upgrading a desktop is not the same as upgrading 20,000  rarsa | 02/03/09
MS just doesn't listen to it's Customers!  JonnyBlade | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  joeller | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ChasMalloy | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  mwagner@... | 02/03/09
Get a Macintosh for heaven's sake!  henrystar | 02/03/09
...And then you put the crack pipe DOWN...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/03/09
Thanks for saying it like it is!  cyberpundit | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ca6601@... | 02/03/09
More I know Windows, More I like my Mac  Francisco Javier Dominguez Rogers | 02/03/09
Where is Beta XP upgrade?  JLuchford | 02/03/09
Upgrade?  xXSpeedzXx | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  email@... | 02/03/09
Just send Steve Ballmer a check...  bbneo | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  xXSpeedzXx | 02/03/09
My plan, so far  bernalillo | 02/03/09
Makes Sense  readyben | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  rmark@... | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  rcbarr83@... | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  coachgeorge | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  orcmid | 02/03/09
just get a new hinge from eBay: they are all like Lego  csomole | 02/03/09
If you want to run the very latest viruses....  whisperycat | 02/03/09
Drivers Still not there  pebear | 02/03/09
agreed can't figure out how they thought breaking all drivers would pan out  stevey_d | 02/05/09
XP to W7 time line is not totally valid.  btamxx | 02/03/09
Don't forget, it's just a shell.  roger andre | 02/03/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  Atari800 | 02/03/09
Windows Explorer still doesn't compare to OSX Finder  3dtodd | 02/03/09
Multibutton Mouse Support  pebear | 02/03/09
Don't post about what you don't know!  comp_indiana | 02/06/09
Er.. Wrong...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/04/09
What malware problems?  comp_indiana | 02/06/09
Yes, THAT malware problem...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/06/09
Very Few Companies Upgrading  jpr75_z | 02/03/09
We will stay on XP 'cause it's faster...  MarkyGoldstein | 02/04/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  kikl | 02/04/09
Forget standardization - it's a lost battle  mcicogni | 02/04/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  slylabs13 | 02/04/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ca1ic0cat | 02/04/09
Desktop  jdieter@... | 02/04/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ramnet@... | 02/04/09
Not everyone needs the latest and greatest  hizaleus | 02/05/09
OS should not hinder app performance  stenman@... | 02/05/09
Microsoft has not been paying attention  orignal_traveler | 02/06/09
XP, Vista, Win 7 : which is better, or from good to worse?  troubled241 | 02/06/09
Too late for Vista, IMHO  3dguru | 02/06/09
Class action lawsuits to release XP code  wellduh | 02/06/09
Free OS upgrades for a lifetime? LOL  wellduh | 02/06/09
Maybe they're just Linux users  trentreviso | 02/08/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  mtnmonk@... | 02/06/09
Desktop standardization choice  lordshipmayhem | 02/06/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ghot@... | 02/06/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  umlguy | 02/10/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  88vette | 02/12/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ikofig@... | 02/12/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  danielarbib | 02/12/09
MR. GATES, IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!  ironfist03 | 02/12/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  ketchikan_kowboy | 02/12/09
RE: XP, Vista, Win 7: The brewing of a perfect storm  X41 | 02/13/09
Yeah, no doubt!  rtk | 02/13/09

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