Damned if you do...Damned if you don't (nt)
safesax2002 | 02/04/09
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**AGREE** (nt)
CobraA1 | 02/04/09
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I agree
jsaddison@... | 02/04/09
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Wrong. DO UAC is the only option. Annoying Insecure nt
T1Oracle | 02/04/09
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too many prompts kills the intent
eddyfaris | 02/05/09
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control over UAC is bonus...
stone-cutter | 02/05/09
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Agreed. Therefore err on the side of security. (nt)
ye | 02/04/09
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They did that with Vista...most users hated it (NT)
Yax_to_the_Max | 02/04/09
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UAC is the best part of Vista. MS should not give up on this. nt
T1Oracle | 02/04/09
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That's a pretty good arguement for Linux
bernalillo | 02/05/09
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...or a good argument against Linux..
TasteeWheat | 02/05/09
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User or administrators?
jonbg@... | 02/05/09
|
   
UAC? Ha! Let It Die.
TechInsider | 02/09/09
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Penny wise and pound foolish.
bernalillo | 02/05/09
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My Thoughts Exactly!
Bob_BLC | 02/04/09
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There's a better way
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
  
And?
custserv@... | 02/04/09
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If you don't care
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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Message has been deleted.
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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You're comparing apples and oranges
Yax_to_the_Max | 02/04/09
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people who use Linux
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
    
re: the answer to that one
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|
     
There's your answer
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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In the 2 months you've used Linux
tikigawd | 02/04/09
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In the 2 months I've used Linux
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
I have this answer...
gsale51@... | 02/04/09
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It is apples and oranges
wency | 02/04/09
|
    
Re: apples and oranges.. Wrong--
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
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Yup, apples and oranges.
rtk | 02/04/09
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Old argument
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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Old but true.
rtk | 02/04/09
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All this from someone who's only been using Linux for 2 months....
MGP2 | 02/05/09
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This has been going on since 97
ceward_z | 02/05/09
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re
jimk_z | 02/04/09
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You're talking complete rubbish....
GOTBO | 02/05/09
|
    
The rubish part is right
CrashPad | 02/05/09
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Market leaders
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
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Confusing server and desktop markets
rtk | 02/05/09
|
     
@RTK
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
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So
rtk | 02/05/09
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@rtk - Just for you.
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
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@spikeymike
rtk | 02/05/09
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I did
GAXXIS | 02/06/09
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re
jimk_z | 02/04/09
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MS damned themselves
MyMac | 02/04/09
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Poor Copy-Cats
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
  
That's the most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while...
TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
|
   
You don't understand much...
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
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Typical snide nix snob
eggmanbubbagee@... | 02/04/09
|
     
Most complaints about UAC ...
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
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too tough for you too?
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
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I'm the average computer user
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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You're still living in your mother's basement...
TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
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I get it just fine...
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
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Linux distro's are superior
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
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Not sure you've read the PCI requirements
rtk | 02/04/09
|
     
You Are Right
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
   
Name one 'creative' Microsoft employee!
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
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Because you don't know a single person!
windozefreak | 02/04/09
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Ray Ozzie
CrashPad | 02/05/09
|
  
And how many consumers ...
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
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The power users? None. The clueless? All
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
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The average consumer is a "click-through" ...
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
|
     
Have tried both...
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
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It's not the apps in Windows which are repeatedly infected...
Mikael_z | 02/04/09
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Explain Administering The System
windozefreak | 02/04/09
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My definition of Administering a computer:
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
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How many consumers
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
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MacOSX is far more than just UNIX.
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
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Repeating myths doesn't make them more true
Mikael_z | 02/04/09
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Most consumers, though, have insufficient skills to install or administer U
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
X11 is also included as an option when installing OS X. [nt]
olePigeon | 02/04/09
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macosx
stevehabs | 02/05/09
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If you like Linux but want to try UNIX on x86...
914four | 02/04/09
|
     
Still new
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
    
Most people...
gypkap@... | 03/05/09
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Easy to use Unix
chromeronin | 02/04/09
|
    
In any practical sense, MacOSX is ...
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
|
     
HP is doing a pretty decent job with Linux. [nt]
olePigeon | 02/04/09
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Actually...
914four | 02/04/09
|
   
Ask Dell
ibeapunker | 02/04/09
|
    
Yep. UNIX / Linux is not ...
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
|
     
I call FUD!
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
     
Read my other posts
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Ole Man | 02/04/09
|
     
And the truth comes out
CrashPad | 02/05/09
|
     
Nonsense
pkrdk | 02/05/09
|
  
Apathy rules
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|
   
Now the subject has changed completely
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
  
Poor copy cats
rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
|
  
Message has been deleted.
transposeIT | 02/04/09
|
   
Message has been deleted.
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|

Why didnt I say that?
sbass@... | 02/04/09
|
 
Tolerance is waning.
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
  
No they haven't.
Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
|
   
And you know this because...?
914four | 02/04/09
|
    
A market share of less than 2% isn't enough for you?
Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
|
     
Tell me
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
Corporate Unix Desktops
chromeronin | 02/04/09
|
     
Well, market share doesn't mean much...
914four | 02/04/09
|
     
90% functionality...
Sleeper Service | 02/05/09
|
     
I once heard a story...
914four | 02/05/09
|
    
You Haven't offered Any Proof
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
     
He made a categorical statement:
914four | 02/05/09
|
   
SUSE linux Enterprise Desktop?
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
    
And the install base is what?
TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
|
     
If by productivity apps...
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
     
Yeah, Spikey...
Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
|
     
@Sleepy
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
     
Just to be a smart ass
Kaiwai | 02/04/09
|
   
Linux isn't ready for mainstream implementation in a corporate desktop envi
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
   
Linux-corporate mainstream, yep
rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
|
  
POIDH
TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
|
   
Pics, or it didn't happen?
SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
|
    
How's this.....factual information.
xuniL_z | 02/04/09
|
     
"Factual information"? Really?
914four | 02/04/09
|
     
As usual, you have everything backwards...
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|
    
And we are tired of you coming to a windows
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
     
Clue for you...
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|
     
Microsoft doesn't believe in standards...
914four | 02/05/09
|
  
So, share some details of these "observations"
MGP2 | 02/04/09
|
   
Some links
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|
    
To calrify a few points...
MGP2 | 02/05/09
|
  
Bullocks
CrashPad | 02/05/09
|
   
If you're a criminal... sure!
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|
   
Yes, and Harley Davison is the brand...
914four | 02/05/09
|
 
polling people
rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
|
  
Here's the problem
rtk | 02/04/09
|
   
Really?
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|
    
really
rtk | 02/05/09
|
    
Glad to meet you..
sjbinaz | 02/05/09
|

fundamental shift in strategy needed
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
 
We tried that.
Worth2Cents | 02/04/09
|
  
RE: We tried that.
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
   
ROM-based hardware
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
    
RE: ROM-based hardware
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
Try again
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: Try again
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
Still not getting it
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: Still not getting it
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
And yet you persist
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: And yet you persist
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
Hacking
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: Hacking
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
I've given valid reasons
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: I've given valid reasons
gdstark13 | 02/04/09
|
     
just stop
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: just stop
gdstark13 | 02/05/09
|
    
You are right. That is not new.
sjbinaz | 02/04/09
|
     
RE: You are right. That is not new.
gdstark13 | 02/05/09
|
 
See this is the problem
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
  
RE: See this is the problem
gdstark13 | 02/05/09
|

Microsoft can't win
jscott418 | 02/04/09
|
 
Now I have heard everything!
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|
 
Read the other posts
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|

Damned if you don't do it right!
rarsa | 02/04/09
|

Gesh, am I the only one who got this?
914four | 02/04/09
|
 
what about Vista?
Randalllind | 02/04/09
|
  
Sorry, I can't comment on Vista
914four | 02/04/09
|

That is not true. There are good implementations
SamCPP | 02/04/09
|

What?????
rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
|

Damned if you do...Damned if you don't
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|

I also agree
jimk_z | 02/04/09
|

Looking at it the wrong way
Chad_z | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
FearTheDonut | 02/04/09
|

RE" WHY is that a problem?
cromwellryan@... | 02/04/09
|
 
Re: Vista UAC problem wasn't frequency
Edesw88 | 02/04/09
|
  
There is no irony, it's a flaw in logic.
914four | 02/04/09
|
  
Frequency of UAC
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
   
enough of the 27 prompts
rtk | 02/04/09
|
    
differences
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
     
Incorrect
rtk | 02/04/09
|

re: Why
Badgered | 02/04/09
|
 
So let them prompt for EVERY copy and change
hardrivn@... | 02/04/09
|
  
re: So let them
Badgered | 02/04/09
|
   
Really how is Linux and Mac different?
BroGnorik | 02/04/09
|
    
No difference between root and admin
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|
 
This is really a non-issue...
unsivil_audio | 02/04/09
|
  
Anti-virus is irrelevant.
Within Rafael | 02/04/09
|
  
All antiviruses have a poor detection rate!
qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
|
   
Oh right...
Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
|
    
You should read that article Sleepy...
914four | 02/04/09
|
     
Why? Firefox already performs the best.
Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
|
     
Reply to Sleeper Service
914four | 02/04/09
|
   
That is bad
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|
  
slight problem there
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
   
No rights to install software
SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
|

The UAC prompt only appears when...
ye | 02/04/09
|
 
Someone who gets it.
Within Rafael | 02/04/09
|

Think of it this way...
Within Rafael | 02/04/09
|
RE: Damned if you do... Damned if you don't (nt)
cromwellryan@... | 02/04/09
|
Mind boggling stupidity when it comes to 'default' settings
Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
|

FALSE
qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
|
 
So these problems didn't exist before Vista?
Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
|

Corrections
threedaysdwn | 02/04/09
|
 
slight correction
Scott Kitts | 02/04/09
|
 
Hmm, which version of Win7 are you using?
Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
|
Darn straight
wolf_z | 02/04/09
|

Agree
ridingthewind | 02/04/09
|

Fix it the right way
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
Plain old sensationalism and FUD reporting...
Heatlesssun | 02/04/09
|

Think of home users.
Within Rafael | 02/04/09
|
 
During setup/install Windows 7 should help create a statndard user account
Heatlesssun | 02/04/09
|
 
Administrator and Standard User accounts in Windows 7
Gruffydd | 02/04/09
|

the problem with this
tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
|
Message has been deleted.
qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
|

And this has what to do with windows?!
Stuka | 02/04/09
|

sudo access
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|
ZDNet, F**k THE PORNOGRAPHIC ADVERTISEMENT!!!
Grayson Peddie | 02/04/09
|

While thats not computer related...
Stuka | 02/04/09
|
 
Depends on what era you live in
LegendsOfBatman | 02/04/09
|
  
Did someone say "sexy leg"?
MGP2 | 02/04/09
|

Weight loss ads are pornographic?
B.O.F.H. | 02/04/09
|

Maybe It's A Hint For You Fat IT People
itanalyst2@... | 02/04/09
|

Once you hit 50...
djchandler | 02/04/09
|

Ads?
Linux User 147560 | 02/05/09
|
 
What Ads, OH I use IE8 and even MSN but
sjbinaz | 02/05/09
|
Best UAC settings
croberts | 02/04/09
|

Why did you edit the registry?
ye | 02/04/09
|
 
More options than control panel
croberts | 02/04/09
|
Can not have cake and eat it too?
lundp@... | 02/04/09
|

Four suggestions I can think of to reduce UAC prompts:
ye | 02/04/09
|
Now wait a minute. this is an intercepter flaw; by bianary design.
rtirman37@... | 02/04/09
|

You can't bring up XP in a discussion on the UAC
pebear | 02/04/09
|
 
the only good about UAC
magallanes | 02/04/09
|
 
Untrue
croberts | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
john@... | 02/04/09
|
No, it's not less secure, unless you want it to be
archer75 | 02/04/09
|

UAC itself is not less secure. It's the default configuration that is.
ye | 02/04/09
|
Windows 7 Security
Cal Woosnam | 02/04/09
|

Agree.
Gruffydd | 02/04/09
|
Does NOT require malicious code already on the box.
LeoD | 02/04/09
|

Little problem with that
Lerianis | 02/04/09
|
win 7 less secure user setting?
varick | 02/04/09
|
Can we change the name of this site for ZDNet to
No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/04/09
|

No criticism allowed?
LeoD | 02/04/09
|

bashing vs. constructively criticizing
Mary Jo Foley | 02/04/09
|
 
Constructive Criticism
sparkfarmer | 02/04/09
|
 
But Even If You Assumptions Were Right
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
This is quite upsetting
NonZealot | 02/04/09
|

OK - so now it's the Microsoft haters' fault?
No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 02/04/09
|
But it's faster!!
sbass@... | 02/04/09
|

So is DOS
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|

RE: But it's faster!!
GAXXIS | 02/07/09
|
Security is more important than glossy icons
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|

This particular bug...
914four | 02/04/09
|
We want Midori!!
sbass@... | 02/04/09
|

Midori
Mary Jo Foley | 02/04/09
|
I'll I have to say is:
avluis | 02/04/09
|
I was getting really worried for a moment ...
xenophanes | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
lennycald@... | 02/04/09
|
ROTFLMAO!!!!
i8thecat | 02/04/09
|
How about Both?
Cosmic1 | 02/04/09
|
Users are getting what they asked for
tech_walker | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
DavidPope | 02/04/09
|
IT IS SO SIMPLE!
eggmanbubbagee@... | 02/04/09
|
Hide the jewelry!
mwagner@... | 02/04/09
|

close
rtk | 02/04/09
|
Windows 7 is Still "Beta"
cnfrisch | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
GTX11 | 02/04/09
|

Re: before or after Conflicker?
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
DonBurnett | 02/04/09
|
No such thing as a secure Microsoft Product
bmobile40 | 02/04/09
|

NO such thing as a secure Unix, Linux or Mac product either...
transposeIT | 02/04/09
|

No such thing as a secure Microsoft Product
GAXXIS | 02/07/09
|
Here's a thought...
Henrik Moller | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
ator1940 | 02/04/09
|

And, That's the way it outobe
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|
The AntiVista
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|

great post
rtk | 02/04/09
|
 
And yet it is 2009
comp_indiana | 02/04/09
|
  
Yup, it's 2009
rtk | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
Randalllind | 02/04/09
|

UAC is useless against Conflicker FACT
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|
 
Conficker is a non-starter with a default Vista install.
ye | 02/04/09
|
  
Please don't use facts...
MGP2 | 02/04/09
|
   
conficker
GAXXIS | 02/07/09
|
We need a UN takeover of Microsoft
BALTHOR | 02/04/09
|

DONE, now when you get ready to connect...
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|

$399 USD retail...
Dave32265 | 02/05/09
|
Agree!
Gnack | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
sirwulfe2003 | 02/04/09
|
"By Design" doesn't mean it's not a bug
odenni | 02/04/09
|
Windows 7 less secure?
cboquin | 02/04/09
|
It's pretty simple
whisperycat | 02/04/09
|

Strange
rtk | 02/04/09
|
 
No strings on me
whisperycat | 02/05/09
|
  
OpenSuSE 11.0
Linux User 147560 | 02/05/09
|
WASTE OF MONEY
Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
|

Well
windozefreak | 02/04/09
|

Classic freetard thinking...Free crap is better. Yeah, right...
transposeIT | 02/04/09
|
RE: Microsoft
Peter66 | 02/04/09
|
Win7 UAC = Vista UAC + Options
mikefarinha | 02/04/09
|
How quaint
schmandel@... | 02/04/09
|

re: how quaint
rtk | 02/04/09
|
RE: UAC security in Windows 7
norm.smith@... | 02/04/09
|
Oh for the love of God.
jimk_z | 02/04/09
|

Most are responding to the exploit of Win7's relaxed UAC
Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
jimk_z | 02/04/09
|
Look at the MS bashers go. These basement dwellers with a lot of time on
transposeIT | 02/05/09
|
Not a problem.
alf@... | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
stubie | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
whizxp | 02/05/09
|
Oh right, let's review beta software
StraussWylde | 02/05/09
|
UAC and "Windows Settings"...
D. W. Bierbaum | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
ItchyFingers | 02/05/09
|
What is the big deal?
Bob in Atlanta | 02/05/09
|
RE: Microsoft
jemd@... | 02/06/09
|

The fact remains....
stubie | 02/07/09
|
RE: Microsoft's worst nightmare: Windows 7 deemed less secure than Vista
hqconverter | 04/14/09
|