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February 13th, 2009

Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 9:01 am

Categories: Channel, Corporate strategy, Legal, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows XP

Tags: Lenovo Group Ltd., Microsoft Windows XP, Operating System, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Seattle Times, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software

Microsoft is under legal siege again over Vista. This time, a consumer is suing the company for using its monopoly power to force her to pay to downgrade from Vista to XP on a new laptop.

The Seattle Times provides a synopsis of the suit:

“Emma Alvarado bought a laptop from Lenovo on June 20, 2008, with Windows Vista Business preinstalled. She paid Lenovo ‘an additional $59.25 in order to ‘downgrade’ her operating system to Windows XP Professional.’ Alvarado is seeking class-action status.”

I’m curious who set the price point for the downgrade. And if it was Lenovo, why isn’t Alvarado suing Lenovo instead of Microsoft? Here’s how the complaint lays out the reasoning:

“Consumers have encountered numerous problems using the Vista operating system, and these problems have been widely publicized in various media outlets. As a result, many consumers would prefer to purchase a new computer pre-installed with the Windows XP operating system or at least not pre-installed with the Vista operating system. However, Microsoft has used its market power to take advantage of consumer demand for the Windows XP operating system by requiring consumers to purchase computers pre-installed with the Vista operating system and to pay additional sums to ‘downgrade’ to the Windows XP operating system.”

The complaint says Microsoft initially made the “downgrade” option available to users for $104 for a limited period of time - until June 30, 2008 — but then extended the time period until January 31, 2009 and then July 31, 2009.  Yes, Microsoft’s constantly shifting XP-downgrade cutoff dates have been a source of endless confusion and mixed messages about Vista’s readiness. But, again, was it Microsoft making the downgrade option available for $104 or Lenovo? (And if it was Lenovo passing on Microsoft’s charge to PC makers, that distinction is worth noting.)

Microsoft officials have said before that it is up to PC makers as to how and whether they offered XP downgrades to end users.

I’ve asked Microsoft if it has any additional points to make regarding its Vista-to-XP downgrade policies. No word back yet.

Update (late on February 13): Microsoft officials said they still had yet to be served with the Alvarado lawsuit. But regarding the company’s downgrade policy, a spokesperson sent the following comment:

“Microsoft does not have a downgrade program.  It does offer downgrade rights as part of some Windows Vista licenses, including Windows Vista Business purchased through the OEM channel.  Microsoft does not charge or receive any additional royalty if a customer exercises those rights.  Some customers may choose or need to obtain media or installation services from third parties to install the downgrade version.”

I am not a lawyer (IANAL), but this latest legal complaint sure seems wobbly, to me. But hey — I initially thought the Vista Capable suit (which became a class action) was wacky and misguided. It turns out that lawsuit has yielded a lot of interesting documentation and evidence that Microsoft knew its marketing actions could potentially confuse and anger consumers.

What’s your take on this new Vista suit? Do you think it has legs — legs enough to become another thorn in Microsoft’s side?

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RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy
What do you think an OEM's reception would be like with with Microsoft if they actively advertise new PCs with XP installed by default?

It's easy to imagine that OEMs are discuraged from offe... (Read the rest)
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Since XP was available at retail  chrome_slinky@... | 02/13/09
If XP was available at retail...  MGP2 | 02/13/09
She's buying a piece of history.  fr0thy2 | 02/15/09
What Lenovo does is not MS Fault  andrej770 | 02/13/09
She didn't have a choice...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Incorrect  itpro_z | 02/13/09
Not the point  Ole Man | 02/13/09
Wrong  itpro_z | 02/13/09
You don't buy OS X with a Macintosh...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Still wrong  itpro_z | 02/13/09
You're delusional...  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
@IT Pro  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
|_ LiquidLearner, Microsoft was found guilty...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Discrepencies  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 02/14/09
"Netscape Communicator was a terrible browser"  Ole Man | 02/14/09
@ OlePigeon: Er.. WTF are you babbling about?  Wolfie2K3 | 02/16/09
@ OlePigeon: Gawd.. More drivel..  Wolfie2K3 | 02/16/09
You're clueless  notsofast | 02/18/09
Well, your posts make me wonder...  zkiwi | 02/13/09
Wonder away  itpro_z | 02/13/09
It is Microsoft's product, and they can put whatever features they want in  Ole Man | 02/14/09
Ok, so you are in denial then...  zkiwi | 02/14/09
@zkiwi  MGP2 | 02/14/09
wrong is right  Ole Man | 02/14/09
"delusions of the EU."  fr0thy2 | 02/15/09
She did have a choice: Stay with Vista  GuidingLight | 02/13/09
So then she really had no choice  Linux User 147560 | 02/13/09
Using that logic...  MGP2 | 02/13/09
You miss the point  Linux User 147560 | 02/13/09
That doesn't even make sense.  rtk | 02/13/09
Extra Work implies Extra Charges  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 02/14/09
Wow!  Linux User 147560 | 02/14/09
"maintain imaging and support structures which have a cost"  Ole Man | 02/14/09
Your lack of knowledge  rtk | 02/14/09
You forgot to add shipping  Ole Man | 02/14/09
And you have that same choice with OS X or Linux?  GuidingLight | 02/13/09
Apple and RedHat never made false claims about...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Not really since I do have a choice with  Linux User 147560 | 02/13/09
Not even relevant?  rtk | 02/13/09
Choices  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 02/14/09
Right!!  bobiroc | 02/13/09
Powerspec didn't charge a downgrade fee  wolf_z | 02/13/09
yes, she did have choice  trenchsol | 02/13/09
bad analogy  midenginedrift | 02/13/09
Not MS' fault if MS does not pressure OEM to pre-install Vista  greatanalyzer | 02/13/09
Microsoft  beardeddone@... | 02/18/09
At that point, was an XP OEM license more expensive...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Not only that  mdemuth | 02/13/09
Your Vista license is legally downgradable  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
vista to xp?? how  alphaprstallion@... | 02/19/09
Upgrading to XP from VISTA  ramnet@... | 03/03/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  RickyF | 02/13/09
Just curious...  itpro_z | 02/13/09
Apparently you can sue for anything in this country.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 02/13/09
That's it kid.  rtk | 02/13/09
Is the world overrun with pinheads?  itpro_z | 02/13/09
Yes, fortunately for Microsoft  Ole Man | 02/13/09
lol  rtk | 02/13/09
"Most don't even read it"  Ole Man | 02/14/09
re: "Most don't even read it"  rtk | 02/14/09
Well, I can't name any MS engineers who murdered their wife...  MGP2 | 02/14/09
Wasn't aware we were conducting a murder trial here  Ole Man | 02/14/09
It only LOOKS like a glass house...  MGP2 | 02/14/09
Zooooweeee!  Ole Man | 02/14/09
intellectual property  trenchsol | 02/15/09
Is the world overrun with pinheads?  MGP2 | 02/13/09
My judgement  johnfenjackson@... | 02/13/09
what changed my mind  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/13/09
See, this is the problem with MS's many versions  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 02/13/09
Penny wise, pound foolish...  MGP2 | 02/13/09
I disagree,  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 02/13/09
Sure...  bobiroc | 02/13/09
Feedback?  tripolitan | 02/13/09
Is there anything on microsoft.com..  MGP2 | 02/13/09
@Trip...  bobiroc | 02/13/09
Basic vs Ultimate...  KopaKrptik | 02/18/09
You are so right!  Ole Man | 02/14/09
I think the real question you should be asking is...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
You win first prize!  Ole Man | 02/14/09
One Word... Money  Murpur | 02/19/09
Over three quarters?  rtk | 02/19/09
Yes over three quarters  Murpur | 02/19/09
No pictures necessary.  rtk | 02/19/09
Australia...  Murpur | 02/19/09
Lawsuit has no basis.  NStalnecker | 02/13/09
Lawsuit has plenty of basis  Lerianis | 02/13/09
Bologna!!!  Nsaf | 02/13/09
Bolshoi!  devils_advocate | 02/13/09
Thank you  NStalnecker | 02/13/09
That's insane  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
which lawsuit?  rtk | 02/13/09
I say she has a case  Randalllind | 02/13/09
MS doesn't SELL XP  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
Who would have known?  Ole Man | 02/14/09
Oh, Dan knows...  rtk | 02/14/09
Biased, unbiased, what's the diff  Ole Man | 02/14/09
Microsft is allowing OEM to install XP then  Randalllind | 02/16/09
Who is MS to tell the OEMs  Michael Kelly | 02/16/09
Legs, maybe...  jasonp@... | 02/13/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  Gillman_Zorgam | 02/13/09
Let's sue Adobe too  Michael Kelly | 02/13/09
SEVEN Downgrade to VISTA  duclod | 02/13/09
downgrade policy for 7  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/13/09
They should just offer App-V  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
Honestly, why would someone want to downgrade to Vista...  olePigeon | 02/13/09
Why?  itpro_z | 02/13/09
Frivolous lawsuit.  Richard B | 02/13/09
The Key Word: MONOPOLY  mikefarinha | 02/13/09
But where is the abuse?  enduser_z | 02/13/09
Huh?  devils_advocate | 02/13/09
Of course IANAL.  MGP2 | 02/13/09
Where is the abuse of monopoly power here?  enduser_z | 02/13/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  grimslade | 02/13/09
My thoughts.  TripleII | 02/13/09
Sadly...  LiquidLearner | 02/13/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  parthiv_13@... | 02/13/09
The suit has no legs, Mary Jo  GuidingLight | 02/13/09
You are right  Ole Man | 02/13/09
Wrong words...  TripleII | 02/13/09
Oh, but of course.  GuidingLight | 02/13/09
Just wait one damned second, Guiding Light...  MGP2 | 02/13/09
Will Dell load a different distro of my choosing onto it for me free of  Ole Man | 02/14/09
Free Downgrade on Dell Latitude and Optiplex Models  bobiroc | 02/13/09
Too friggin sue happy  cbiggs99@... | 02/13/09
She could've downgraded it herself for free  richfrombechtle | 02/13/09
I tried this and MS would not validate the license  ThePrairiePrankster | 02/13/09
I've downgraded at least a hundred  rtk | 02/13/09
I am happy for you  ThePrairiePrankster | 02/18/09
could have, if she'd had the disk ...  TG2 | 02/13/09
A Very Good Lawsuit  jeffs0413@... | 02/13/09
And this is Microsoft's fault HOW?  MGP2 | 02/13/09
It would be "Interesting" too see the current state of  James Quinn | 02/16/09
Re: A very good lawsuit  elwynsattic@... | 02/17/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  harrierhoundlover | 02/14/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  Mike (not Cox) | 02/14/09
I DEMAND the right to buy a new 66 Camaro.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/14/09
The car analogy thing has clearly failed you  zkiwi | 02/14/09
I DEMAND the right to remove you from this forum  itanalyst2@... | 02/16/09
The difference is  Michael Kelly | 02/16/09
Completely Silly (nt)  ChrisOPeterson | 02/14/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  whisperycat | 02/15/09
I forgot to mention the charge for downgrading!  whisperycat | 02/15/09
You also forgot to mention...  MGP2 | 02/15/09
Point made considering choice  Ole Man | 02/15/09
I don't think you'll find any business person...  MGP2 | 02/15/09
Well what is a "Custom" model then?  James Quinn | 02/16/09
The customer is never "ALWAYS RIGHT"  de-void | 02/16/09
You are in perfect agreement with Microsoft  Ole Man | 02/17/09
Microsoft charged her for downgrading.  whisperycat | 02/15/09
Maybe I can't name one because...  MGP2 | 02/15/09
Garbage  de-void | 02/16/09
Tell a lie long enough  tonymcs@... | 02/15/09
It's not so much the bloggers...  MGP2 | 02/15/09
"that fact is conveniently ignored"  Ole Man | 02/16/09
this is sick...  benitodarder | 02/16/09
Do ALL vehicles come with ABS now!?!  James Quinn | 02/16/09
just because in the shop the advertise said: lenovo with windows vista  benitodarder | 02/16/09
update: the downgrade was only available  benitodarder | 02/16/09
Pagan:  justanitguy | 02/17/09
Same old bunch of MS bashers posting their FUD...  transposeIT | 02/17/09
A bully  Ole Man | 02/17/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  hgh9mrp@... | 02/18/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  Randalllind | 02/18/09
She Should Have Bought Local  dennyc5@... | 03/02/09
SHES AN IDIOT  andyandromeda | 03/05/09
downgrading  andyandromeda | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  AA1LL | 03/13/09
RE: Microsoft sued over Vista-to-XP downgrade policy  MS2009 | 04/01/09

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