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February 20th, 2009

What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:30 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Office, Office 2010/Office 14, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Team, Microsoft Windows 7, Feedback, Tester, Steven Sinofsky, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Team Management, Software, Management

Windows beta testing ain’t what it used to be.

Over the past couple of days, this reality seems to be setting in among some Windows 7 testers.

Windows 7’s testing and release schedule is like that for Office. (Given that Windows Engineering chief Steven Sinofsky ran the Office development team for years before moving over to Windows, is anyone really surprised?) Sinofsky and his team are holding their cards a lot closer to the vest and are releasing very few public testing milestones. But beyond failing to inform public beta testers of what’s going on, the Windows 7 team also is remiss in providing even the core group of “technical beta testers” with adequate feedback, some of these testers claim.

We’ve known for a few months that Microsoft planned only one public Beta and one Release Candidate for Windows 7. But it seems that it took the fact that internal Windows 7 builds have started sporting the “Release Candidate” moniker that testers have begun to understand that they are not going to have much input in — or even feedback on — what Windows 7 ultimately will look like.

I’ve argued that the Windows 7 feature set was basically set in stone long before the majority of testers ever saw the first Milestone test builds. That’s how Microsoft traditionally has run the Office beta process: By the time the public Beta 1 hits (something that still has yet to happen with Office 14, by the way), the product is basically done. Beta 2 in the Office world is a formality and often goes out just a few months before RTM. The feature set for each subsequent release of Office is relatively confined and “big bang” releases in the Office world are few and far between.

This week’s calls for one or more additional Windows 7 Beta releases — by my blogging colleague Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, among others — leads me to wonder what testers really want.

Do they want Microsoft to take three or more years to roll out a new version of Windows (which I’m sure the Windows brass would claim would be the result of the addition of another public beta or two)? Do they want more testers to be granted access to more of the interim builds that Microsoft is doling out to only a small group of preselected testers? Do they want the Redmondians to release a public (or even semi-private) list of bugs that are fixed on a weekly basis?

My sense is testers are less interested in another Beta or another Release Candidate being added to the Windows 7 schedule than they are in getting more, regular feedback from the Windows 7 team.

Chris Holmes, one of the first of the Windows 7 testers to push this week for changes in the Windows 7 beta feedback process, said Windows 7 testers are in the dark:

“There have been a lot of us (testers) that have submitted feedback relating to design changes, things such as the superbar and the ability to have quicklaunch (this doesn’t bother me personally but some people want it), and changes around explorer as a whole, things relating to grouping settings not holding sometimes, etc.,” Holmes said.

But there has been no word back from the Windows 7 team on any of these issues, he noted.

Another example: The ability to switch the x64 flavor of 7 to use the 64 bit media player, Holmes said. “The setting does not actually take effect in (the Windows 7) 7000 (builds), and it is also not working in 7022 x64, but I was told a month ago that it was fixed in newer builds.”

“Bottom line, and the point I was trying to make, is that Microsoft can’t take in feedback and then not allow the community to verify that the issues are indeed fixed. Sinofsky’s ‘Office Culture’ doesn’t seem to be working in the windows world. He has a group of techbeta testers (there are about 5,000 of us i believe) that he seems to not be using for anything other than giving us the ability to track our feedback, which does no good when our bugs are being closed with the comment ‘Try in a newer build.’ What newer build?”

I’m not saying Microsoft isn’t providing any feedback to testers. But it sure seems to take an awful lot of public outcry to get the Windows team to do so. (And even after providing a bit of feedback, the willingness to share more related details seems to end, leaving still more unanswered questions.)

In responding to Holmes and the Geeksmack commentators, Sinofsky said Microsoft is poised to share information on changes that have been made in Windows 7 in response to user feedback. It will be interesting to see how, when, where and the extent to which the Windows team shares that information….

In the interim, do you think Microsoft really needs another Windows 7 beta (or two) before the product is released to manufacturing? Or would more public disclosure as to what’s happening behind the scenes be sufficient?

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RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?
The MS bashers just want to complain. I've used every OS there ever was since 1982 and ONLY MS succeeds in providing the most options that the everyday person really needs or wants. Linux is a toy and can be fun for dual boot experimenters but for serious 3D games like Crysis? Naw! Get a grip! ... (Read the rest)
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They want something that works that they can use for free  Michael Kelly | 02/20/09
Well then....  James T. Kirk | 02/20/09
He said something that works!  ShadeTree | 02/20/09
What favorite apps?  Mikael_z | 02/21/09
How quickly the Linux advocates forget inauguration day.  ye | 02/22/09
Huh???? [NT]  Mikael_z | 02/23/09
Here is a link:  ye | 02/23/09
Silverlight is a MS controlled type of media  Mikael_z | 02/24/09
Linux advocates forget inauguration day.  aussieblnd@... | 02/24/09
heh..  sir_cheats_alot@... | 02/24/09
You may be right ...  PCsubMacsty | 02/20/09
The problem with MS surveys  boed | 02/20/09
This was pretty good actually ...  PCsubMacsty | 02/20/09
They want the chkdsk file 9 error fixed  emcauley | 02/23/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  timiteh | 02/20/09
No, they do not need another beta, MS needs to  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/20/09
I agree  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 02/20/09
Adrian - tell me you're kidding ...  de-void | 02/23/09
That's not what beta testing is for  Drakaran | 02/24/09
more responsive to bug submissions  coffeeshark | 02/20/09
Hmmm ....  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 02/20/09
Sounds Like A Rush Job  itanalyst2@... | 02/20/09
rush job?  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/20/09
I Concur, But  itanalyst2@... | 02/20/09
Vista done right? Perhaps  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
Well said!  ShadeTree | 02/20/09
rush job?  aussieblnd@... | 02/24/09
you're right about beta testing.  Drakaran | 02/24/09
Early 2010  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/20/09
Q3 2009  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
So what's the flip side?  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
Good Points  Rob Oakes | 02/20/09
But how does Open Source mitigate project complexity?  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
I'll pay ...  PCsubMacsty | 02/20/09
I'll pay ...  aussieblnd@... | 02/24/09
Vista was FAR from junk  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
Most of it is also there in Vista  Rob Oakes | 02/20/09
The cost of being Translusinofsky  odenni | 02/20/09
Disrespectful?  Rob Oakes | 02/20/09
Disrespectful.  odenni | 02/20/09
I get the feeling MS ignored feedback just like they did with Vista  boed | 02/20/09
Hard to say if MS needs another beta build  boed | 02/20/09
Microsoft does not need public feedback...  Mike Cox | 02/20/09
In trying to be cute you have a valid point...  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
Are you kidding?  boed | 02/20/09
1,0 - You've Lost The Touch  PMC-CON | 02/20/09
I think its silly to say that Microsoft doesn't listen to feedback  Heatlesssun1 | 02/20/09
Also, remember last time  Kaiwai | 02/21/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  carlm750 | 02/20/09
RC for Win 7  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/20/09
Just don't leave us in limbo  CobraA1 | 02/20/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  unholytech | 02/20/09
No more BETAs Needed  jpr75_z | 02/20/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  PCsubMacsty | 02/20/09
I don't understand this bellyaching.  mikefarinha | 02/20/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  nospam@... | 02/21/09
Everyone is acting like Windows 7 is the best OS ever, time will tell that.  anonymuos | 02/21/09
It doesn't need to be the best OS ever, it just needs...  jdickey | 02/21/09
More than meets the eye  myscarab@... | 02/21/09
who is going to delete and reload their entire system just to use 7  boed | 02/22/09
Give the hardware requirements a rest already.  ye | 02/22/09
Try to think of businesses  boed | 02/22/09
Your guess is wrong.  ye | 02/23/09
Want? DAEMON Tools for Win7  anthony_hunt | 02/24/09
SP1  hansonjb | 02/24/09
Most people are confused with what an OS is.  frontal_lobotomy | 02/24/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  JRobert345 | 02/24/09
How do I love My XPPro?Let me count the ways  Aaron A Baker | 02/25/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  StOrM36969 | 02/27/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  anthonyj96 | 03/25/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  Rickyc111 | 04/06/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  Rickyc111 | 04/06/09
RE: What do Windows 7 beta testers really want?  Rickyc111 | 04/06/09

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