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February 25th, 2009

Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 5:20 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Team, Microsoft Windows 7, Feedback, Microsoft Corp., Tester, Microsoft Windows, Team Management, Operating Systems, Software, Management

When I asked last week what Windows 7 testers wanted, the predominant answer was more information — specifically more information about which bugs were being fixed (and not) as the product progressed through the pipeline.

When I saw Windows 7 chief Steven Sinofsky had published another (epic-length) post, entitled “Feedback and Engineering Windows 7, I was encouraged. Until I read the post, that is.

If you want more information on how Microsoft obtains feedback and debates that feedback internally, this Februrary 25 entry is your post. If you were hoping for more about how and when the team was going to relay that feedback to its testers, you won’t be happy.

Some interesting factoids from the post:

  • During the first few week of the Windows 7 beta, more than 1 million people downloaded and installed it.
  • Microsoft has released a “reliability update” test release for Windows 7 testers with Internet Explorer 8. (My blogging colleague Zack Whittaker has more thoughts on that IE 8 update.)
  • “During a peak week in January we (the Windows dev team) were receiving one Send Feedback report every 15 seconds for an entire week, and to date we’ve received well over 500,000 of these reports.”
  • Microsoft has “fixes in the pipeline for nearly 2,000 bugs in Windows code (not in third party drivers or applications) that caused crashes or hangs.”

That’s great. Microsoft is getting a lot of feedback about Windows 7. What kind of feedback are testers getting from the team in return? Very little. I get lots of e-mail from testers asking me whether Microsoft has fixed specific bugs that have been reported on various comment boards and Web sites. I have no idea, and neither do they.

The feedback loop cannot continue indefinitely. But would finding some way to relay to testers which bugs have been fixed and which haven’t derail the development process?

Sinofsky doesn’t address that issue specifically in the post. He repeats the new Microsoft mantra — “Shipping is a feature.” Specifically, in his words:

“(U)ltimately on the Windows development team we have to make a call as we’re seeing a lot of people are looking forward to us finishing Windows 7, which means we need to stop changing the product and ship it.”

That’s definitely true, but don’t the testers spending hours, days and weeks providing you with feedback deserve more information back from Microsoft? Any thoughts about how Microsoft might provide more and better tester feedback with the least amount of time/effort?

Update: Speaking of Windows 7, Microsoft rolled out an update to Windows 7 yesterday. This wasn’t one of the “placeholder” updates that it is delivering this week just for test purposes. The February 24 update was “an app compat refresh for Window 7 and is focused on older PC games,” according to a company spokesperson.

Update No. 2 (February 26): Microsoft has begun posting details on some of the changes it is making to Windows 7 in response to tester feedback on the Engineering Windows 7 blog.

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RE: Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback
when I risk my system I would like a discount but it does help in programing for new stuff!!!!!!!!!!!
Or since I run vista without what was promised I think it should be a very low price to upgrade, if not free, but luck for that.
Win 7 does work well but what about mail?... (Read the rest)
Posted by: stdo57@... Posted on: 02/26/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Public Beta Testers are given a ....  ShadeTree | 02/25/09
why testers test  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 02/25/09
They can take confidence in the fact that .....  ShadeTree | 02/25/09
You forget developers MJ  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/25/09
Total mis-statement of what occurred.  ShadeTree | 02/25/09
That old excuse would hold a lot more water...  914four | 02/25/09
They do share their best practices.  ShadeTree | 02/26/09
Several.  914four | 02/26/09
Wrong, it was Mictosoft's  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/09
I certainly would like information on when a certain bug will be fixed  emcauley | 02/25/09
got a KB article number ?  rtk | 02/25/09
"...and to date we?ve received well over 500,000 of these reports.?  PollyProteus | 02/25/09
Beta Testers vs. Beta "Users"  Confused by religion | 02/25/09
That's an excellent idea!  emcauley | 02/25/09
What's the point?  gdfg@... | 02/25/09
Boy, does Windows need testing...  gregory.dworak@... | 02/25/09
Jumping to wrong conclusions ....  ShadeTree | 02/25/09
Yea, just a lowly Mac user...  gregory.dworak@... | 02/25/09
Funny that!  ShadeTree | 02/25/09
You, either? You, too?  MGP2 | 02/25/09
No bias in the opening paragrah, eh?  MGP2 | 02/25/09
From the article you link to...  Sleeper Service | 02/25/09
Lord help them if they should ever go to war!  ye | 02/25/09
Exactly...  storm14k | 02/26/09
they were warned.  unholytech | 02/25/09
RE: Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback  msbetatester | 02/25/09
RE: Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback  msbetatester | 02/25/09
Tell us  CrashPad | 02/25/09
RE:Tell us  msbetatester | 02/25/09
Oh, I don't think we have much to worry about.  rtk | 02/25/09
4,713 words  rseiler | 02/25/09
Watching this ecosystem from the outside now...  storm14k | 02/25/09
Mushrooms  kjrider@... | 02/25/09
I agree with you  914four | 02/25/09
RE: Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback  windozefreak | 02/25/09
Why not just post a version update TXT  boed | 02/25/09
UAC isn't the problem anymore; it is adding features perminently the first  rtirman37@... | 02/26/09
RE: Windows 7: Beta testers, not Microsoft, need more feedback  stdo57@... | 02/26/09

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