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March 4th, 2009

Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 1:53 pm

Categories: Corporate strategy, Google, Internet Explorer, Legal, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Windows Team, Microsoft Windows, Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Software, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

Microsoft has taken another step to hedge its Windows bets in case the European Commission lowers the boom on Redmond’s browser-bundling practices.

With the current Windows 7 Build (No. 7048) that is circulating among selected testers, Microsoft is making it possible for Internet Explorer 8 to be removed from the Windows operating system, according to the AeroXperience site, and other testers with whom I’ve spoken.

“Removing” here is somewhat of a loaded — and perhaps overzealous — word. Microsoft can easily remove the IE 8 browser from startup. But over the past few years, the company has integrated the guts of IE into the operating system.

As Bryant Zadegan explained on AeroXperience: “This [new IE 8 removal option] only seems to wipe the actual executable running Internet Explorer 8 (iexplore.exe), but given that many of the most vocal proponents of choice were just looking for an option to functionally remove IE8, this might’ve been the only way to do it without killing the rest of Windows.”

One Windows tester, who requested anonymity, emphasized that the new “remove IE 8″ option was primarily cosmetic. “(The Windows) Explorer and Internet Explorer use a ton of shared libraries because they both perform similar and intertwined actions,” so that makes complete removal of IE from Windows near impossible at this point, he said.

The Windows team has been believed to be readying its “Plan B” in order to try to head off a potential derailment of the release of Windows 7 as a result of an ongoing antitrust case levied by Opera Software in the EU. Opera claimed Microsoft’s policy of bundling IE with Windows reduced consumer choice. In January, the European Commission (EC) issued a “statement of objections” in the case, indicating to many that it was prepared to find Microsoft guilty and force the Redmond company to take some kind of remedial action in the EU. Last month, Mozilla joined the complaint and Google requested the right to do so.

Interestingly, Opera officials have not asked for Microsoft to be forced to exorcise IE from Windows; instead, Opera execs have said they are advocating Microsoft to be forced to distribute other vendors’ browsers alongside IE. But the Windows team seems to be operating under the assumption that the EC could require the company to remove IE from Windows. Microsoft seems to be trying to further componentize Windows 7 so that such a requirement would have less potential negative impact on Windows 7’s release schedule.

The Technologizer tech-enthusiast site recently reported that the Windows team is still on track to deliver Windows 7 in the third quarter of this year, but is ready to delay Windows 7’s release until January 2010 if the EC requires the company to remove IE from Windows. (Microsoft isn’t commenting on either of these dates.)

I asked Microsoft for a statement on the new AeroXP report, as well as the Plan B scenario for Windows 7 in general. Still no word back.

Update (March 5): The Windows team delivered an official no comment. A spokeswoman added the following statement: “Windows 7 is still in development and currently in beta. We have no new information to share regarding any of the product’s final features.”

Update 2 (March 6): Microsoft has decided it does have information to share, after all. The company posted an acknowledgment of its decision to allow IE 8 to be removed from Windows 7 (an option most testers will see in the next month or so when the Win 7 Release Candidate build is issued) — but didn’t mention the Opera antitrust suit as a reason for the decision.

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Microsoft should just pull windows off the shelves and block all EU IP's from updates for Win 7 as they won't have sold it there and any user would be pirating.
After the EU commision gets many million plus complaints these BS lawsuits will end and they can resume selling.
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Opera should do their jobs  de-void | 03/04/09
Mozilla and Google aren't European.  LeoD | 03/04/09
Opera is Norwegian  A.Sinic | 03/05/09
The more interesting point is ...  mwagner@... | 03/05/09
Opera is more like a distant 5th...  BillDem | 03/05/09
Europeans do mind...  mcicogni | 03/05/09
You are a spokesperson for the entire European Union?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
You are a spokesperson for the entire European Union?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
So it doesn't matter that the monopolist is anticompetitive  Mikael_z | 03/05/09
They can...  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
Not what I was saying.  LeoD | 03/05/09
Norway...  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
Norway ...  de-void | 03/05/09
Not correct...  linux for me | 03/05/09
Re: Frontpage  MissingMatter | 03/06/09
Norway: a clarification and some reflections  goyta | 03/05/09
Denmark is in the EU.  nizuse | 03/06/09
"& ?"  Intellihence | 03/06/09
D'accord mon ami !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
"...we europeans..."  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
That should earn you a nice bonus from Redmond !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
MS zelots unite!  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
This message is for mjolnar@  Intellihence | 03/06/09
Opera + IE  Budster1 | 03/05/09
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integrated!  William_Collins@... | 03/05/09
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Integration...  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
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I Did...  Dave32265 | 03/05/09
Riiiight...  Selvarin | 03/05/09
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Law suits  yeochief | 03/05/09
Btw, PC manufacturers have been ......  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
support  derbaff | 03/05/09
Yeah, RIGHT...  t5j1sr | 03/05/09
monopolist is anticompetitive  aussieblnd@... | 03/05/09
Wanna check the facts..?  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
Life isn't fair... Get over it.  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
Of course they're not ... they're just pouring gasoline on the fire  de-void | 03/05/09
Sanity returns ... Aahhh!  williamacole@... | 03/05/09
...someone in the relevant part of the EU just wants to mess with Microsoft  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
Let's mess with poor little microsoft?  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
Silly post is silly.  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
No. Most people use Windows because they did not know  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Sounds like your beef should be with...  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Say it isn't so!  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
it does everything they want it to do?.  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
you forgot antivirus and defragging  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Who's fault is it...  tikigawd | 03/05/09
@tikigawd  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Sounds to me like you don't know how to use a computer  MGP2 | 03/05/09
@tikigawd - Shame on you!  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Try running Windows without doing any of those  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
@tmsbrdrs - Whether you choose...  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Oh, you missed his point entirely....  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Well, yes but....  phatkat | 03/05/09
Europe created the internet  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Who created the Internet?  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
EU insanity  ditkazbearz | 03/09/09
Blinkered protectionism ?  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
You are kidding, Right?  Ernie Ganas | 03/05/09
Re;America spent trillions of dollars and thousands of live protecting . .  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Read up on your history !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
AMEN! - nt  USTechHead | 03/05/09
Zing! No freeride for you Opera!  Samic | 03/04/09
Your examples  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  nelson.robert@... | 03/04/09
Let us be very clear about what IE is  wolf_z | 03/05/09
HTML rendering by MS  martin23 | 03/05/09
The only time MS memory mgmt has problems...  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Why sling mud?  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
I have nothing against other OSes.  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Cool...  SimonUK | 03/05/09
SimonUK.  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
nothing against other OSes.  aussieblnd@... | 03/05/09
@aussieblnd  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
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What a diatribe  martin23 | 03/05/09
Why do you just repeat FUD, can't you read history and decide for yourself?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
History  martin23 | 03/08/09
Yup, there are browsers using the IE components  LeoD | 03/05/09
Avant browser  The_Quietman | 03/05/09
Dude! What a dweeb! Removing the shell is worthless!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
So what happens to 3rd party developers...  douglas_stein@... | 03/05/09
minimal services  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Seems to me...  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Another Whiner !  Budster1 | 03/05/09
Indeed they want a Free Ride  Marty R. Milette | 03/05/09
Well said  TylerM89 | 03/05/09
Partial strawman  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Big problem  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
The internet should be available to all  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
Seems like cooler heads are prevailing at MS. If IE is the best, people  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
Firefox is growing in users, IE is shrinking...  Christian_<>< | 03/04/09
So, what you're saying...  NStalnecker | 03/04/09
You really do live in a fantasy land.  TheWerewolf | 03/04/09
Thank You!  blinkdt | 03/04/09
THE business browser.?  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
Certain Enterprise web apps  Spats30 | 03/05/09
In the corporate world...  Marty R. Milette | 03/05/09
hmm...  Badgered | 03/05/09
Is that why you have to run FF.....  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Removing the underlying components would be very bad.  LeoD | 03/04/09
Well, other browsers makers would also like to be the default rendering  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
Then why don't they provide components?  LeoD | 03/04/09
Gecko and Webkit are all available, but, developers write to what they can  DonnieBoy | 03/05/09
Like I said...  LeoD | 03/05/09
Cause that's just what we need  MissingMatter | 03/06/09
ActiveX is the number 1 aid for malware-writers.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ckelly@... | 03/04/09
The install link/choice presupposed internet connectivity  dysart | 03/05/09
Why should Microsoft provide options  plovelace@... | 03/05/09
why MSFT can't be compared to Apple or a car  drjehr | 03/05/09
so monopolies are evil?  NoThomas | 03/05/09
No....only evil monopolies (like Microsoft) are evil. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
so monopolies are LEGAL?  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Monopolies  NoThomas | 03/05/09
I said it before and it remains the same...  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
add a phone number perhaps?  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Repositories  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
What about Apple?  BCF1968 | 03/04/09
First, Apple does not have a monopoly, so, antitrust laws do not apply to  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
You say potatoe...  NoThomas | 03/05/09
Re;MS have to remove IE but its ok for Apple to bundle their browser?  hkommedal | 03/06/09
But thats not the point  NoThomas | 03/06/09
Sorry, but it IS the point. The EC is against bundling IE IN not WITH . .  hkommedal | 03/06/09
Found my answer  NoThomas | 03/07/09
They have a bit, but over iTunes/iTMS/Fairplay not Safari  LeoD | 03/04/09
Microsoft decoupled the browser from the shell with IE7!  jacec | 03/04/09
NO Removal  Nsaf | 03/04/09
It took me 2 years  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
Accillese Heal !  rtirman37@... | 03/04/09
Internet Settings in the control panel  alokgovil | 03/04/09
Re  jimk_z | 03/04/09
Intertwined Exploiter SUX  Intellihence | 03/04/09
It's not Intertwined Exploiter  eMJayy | 03/04/09
Insightful.... thanks for............ (NT)  Badgered | 03/05/09
Really !  Alan Smithie | 03/05/09
What will programs use if it's removed?  LeoD | 03/05/09
These guys don't care about consequences  Tiggster | 03/05/09
RE: These guys don't care about consequences  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
What's your point?  Tiggster | 03/05/09
RE: What's my 'counter'point?  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Quit trolling  NStalnecker | 03/05/09
it is grey with MSN 6.  sjbinaz | 03/05/09
Re;I see grey and am using MSN 6- what does that mean?  hkommedal | 03/05/09
If this looks green you are using IE,  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
Simple answer..you said it yourself...bake it in the app!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Simple answer..you said it yourself...bake it in the app!  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
You haven't been paying attention. happy  LeoD | 03/05/09
removed by poster (nt)  sjbinaz | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  chapmattman | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  soluto | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  jeffrejapa@... | 03/05/09
Download, Install (NT)  Badgered | 03/05/09
Why not have Mozilla follow the AOL route  dysart | 03/05/09
Yeah  NStalnecker | 03/05/09
....  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Before and after  johnfenjackson@... | 03/05/09
Am I the only one with a problem  LiquidLearner | 03/05/09
RE: "Am I the only one with a problem  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
No..  Badgered | 03/05/09
Your not the only one..  NoThomas | 03/05/09
No competitor software bundle is needed.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Am I the only one with a problem  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Budster1 | 03/05/09
STANDARS are expected as documented  mavr1c | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft ... IE 8 'removal' option  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  mwagner@... | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Budster1 | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  mshepherd | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ukstar@... | 03/05/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 03/05/09
Amazing Master Joe ...  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
The EU should shove it  tech_walker | 03/05/09
Re; Are there any McDonald's in Norway? Yes, there are. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Why doesn't the EU remove Firefox from Linux????  Narg | 03/05/09
Because of THIS simple reason: They can ALL be removed.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
windows update?  erikswanson | 03/05/09
That is because MS did not want you to do so. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
A fair question MS might ask...  Cayble | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  coondapoor | 03/05/09
RE: ...IE 8 'removal' ...  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
RE; WHERE DOES IT END? calculator, notepad, wordpad, what else?  hkommedal | 03/06/09
How do you install an alternate browser without IE?  Roubos | 03/05/09
RE: How do you install an alternate browser without IE?  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Perhaps that's why Opera want theirs distributed!!  PoxyPig | 03/05/09
how to install....  gergarfe@... | 03/05/09
mnn... what might this mean for application compatibility?  grantford99 | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
Without IE. . .  donden@... | 03/05/09
Not necessary  sgtm8@... | 03/05/09
MS should bundle my programs  isemmel@... | 03/05/09
Go for it beotch! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Windows distributions MIGHT get rather large?  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
It's a start  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Opera Stop whining!!!! (this goes for Google and any one else)  vivisep@... | 03/05/09
Better analogy  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ePM360 | 03/05/09
RE:Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets w... * EU GET a life or Your Own OS!  sandstorm@... | 03/05/09
It sounds like you are out on a "Jihad-mission" of some sort.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Maybe this will shut them up  Speednet | 03/05/09
good point  jk_10 | 03/05/09
Re; remember UK is not part of it. why? WRONG !  hkommedal | 03/05/09
it does change anything  jk_10 | 03/06/09
Re; ok, i didn't know. should i care? May be. I'm not sure.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
what to you expect from the Euro's  tech_walker | 03/05/09
Enough with the EU vs US nonsense  LeoD | 03/05/09
it is not about europian, it is about EU  jk_10 | 03/06/09
We were both talking about the region, not the organisation (NT)  LeoD | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  cosmicfoole@... | 03/05/09
"Always use our..."  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
The EU need to be dissolved, seriously.  PinkFloydYoshi | 03/05/09
Maybe  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
MS Should have long ago  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
Somehow I don't think MS will pull out of its best market. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
They could have done that  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  imgen | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  dracomaster | 03/06/09
google gooo to hell  jk_10 | 03/06/09
Re; then Microsoft can sue them for not allowing IE on their OS  hkommedal | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  jfreedle2@... | 03/08/09

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