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March 6th, 2009

Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:09 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Google, Internet Explorer, Legal, Vista, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., XPS, Microsoft Windows, Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Software, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

After a couple of days of “no comments,” Microsoft has acknowledged the findings of a pair of bloggers who discovered that starting with the next major test release of Windows 7, Internet Explorer 8 will be able to be removed.

Microsoft officials made this public acknowledgment via the Engineering Windows 7 blog. In a posting, dated March 6, Jack Mayo, the Group Program Manager for the Documents and Printing team, listed a set of Windows 7 features that will be able to be turned on and off by users after the initial Windows set-up.

The new blog post made no mention of the Opera antitrust case against Microsoft — a factor which many consider to be the impetus for Microsoft’s decision to make IE 8 an optional, as opposed to a required, user feature.

The ability to turn off IE 8 is part of Windows 7 test build 7048, but that build isn’t available to the majority of testers. Most Windows 7 testers will have to wait another month or so for the public Release Candidate test build of Windows 7 to check out this option.

In addition to the set of Windows Vista features that users already may opt to “deselect,” Microsoft is planning to add a bunch of new ones (including IE 8) with Windows 7:

  • Windows Media Player
  • Windows Media Center
  • Windows DVD Maker
  • Internet Explorer 8
  • Windows Search
  • Handwriting Recognition (through the Tablet PC Components option)
  • Windows Gadget Platform
  • Fax and Scan
  • XPS Viewer and Services (including the Virtual Print Driver)

(The XPS Viewer is another interesting addition to this list. XPS has been a rumored antitrust-lawsuit target in the past, with Microsoft claiming Adobe was rattling some sabers about its new document format three years ago.)

Mayo reiterated what will happen if a feature is turned off:

“If a feature is deselected, it is not available for use. This means the files (binaries and data) are not loaded by the operating system (for security-conscious customers) and not available to users on the computer. These same files are staged so that the features can easily be added back to the running OS without additional media. This staging is important feedback we have received from customers who definitely do not like to dig up the installation DVD.”

Mayo noted that any underlying application programming interfaces (APIs) that are part of the deselected features are not removed from Windows, as this could break other OS components and/or third-party applications that call on these interfaces.

Mayo did not mention at all the European antitrust case against Microsoft as one of the reasons — if not the only reason — that Microsoft has added IE 8 to the list of user-selectable features. However, many company watchers believe that Microsoft is attempting to head off at the pass the Opera antitrust suit over Microsoft’s browser-bundling practices by providing this option.

Instead, the Windows team is touting improved security, performance enhancement and user choice as the reasons that it is making a growing set of Windows features removable.

Do you think Microsoft’s decision to make IE 8 removable is a sound one (beyond the seeming legal reasons for it)? Will the move derail — or at least dent — the Opera antitrust case against Microsoft?

Update: In looking over again Microsoft’s list of new Windows 7 removable features, it’s clear that quite a few of these seem to be litigation-inspired. IE 8 removal is clearly a response to Opera’’s antitrust complaint in the EU. Windows Search removal is, no doubt, a preemptive strike against further Google legal complaints. XPS Viewer can be seen as an Adobe-antitrust-inspired choice. Media Player removal is surely a way Microsoft is hoping to avoid new antitrust-inspired cases like the one it lost a couple of years ago in the EU. Maybe the new list of Windows 7 removable features should be labeled as “Antitrust Magnets (with an “Add At Your Own Risk” warning).

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Opera is a commercial browser, is it not?

Also, anti-trust is not anti-microsoft, but actually about making competition work by stopping monopolies from controlling the market.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: FanaticGeek Posted on: 05/13/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
It's about time!  sreinhard@... | 03/06/09
Good first step  linuser | 03/06/09
How exactly do you do that?  TheWerewolf | 03/06/09
Websites can offer basic & enhanced functionality  linuser | 03/06/09
Come on  jgoode@... | 03/06/09
This guarantees that Vista = Me  PI_z | 03/06/09
Re; This guarantees that Vista = Me. Not quite.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
Good going Microsoft  mikefarinha | 03/06/09
Microsoft has no control over this.  mwagner@... | 03/06/09
"a way that they feel serves the customer best"  Amelioration | 03/07/09
What are you rambling about  TylerM89 | 04/24/09
Sad to see they give in to evil communists  LBiege | 03/06/09
Good to see that sick filthy unabated greed is dying.  fr0thy2 | 03/07/09
Oh, good  John L. Ries | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  Doscile | 03/06/09
Welcome to the Internet  goldston | 03/06/09
Uhmm....  bigsibling | 03/06/09
Re:  goldston | 03/06/09
Yep  ghost_ghost | 03/06/09
Good Call Ghost_Ghost  monei011 | 03/08/09
...  FanaticGeek | 05/13/09
Yes, but  FanaticGeek | 05/13/09
Who cares whos the dominant browser?  jgoode@... | 03/06/09
FireFox has already "de-throned" IE ...  mwagner@... | 03/06/09
IE Will Rule  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
It is waaaay past due!  kd5auq | 03/06/09
Who cares?  kd5auq | 03/06/09
Forced by EU and copying what Linux has done for a decade  TonyOz | 03/06/09
USER should always have the ability....  TTGIT Guy | 03/06/09
Amen  ryanh02 | 03/06/09
Ah yes. EVERYONE is just picking on Microsoft.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
Not everyone.  Average-IT-Guy | 03/06/09
I grew up ...  Too Old For IT | 03/06/09
Re; No one forces anyone to use IE. Wrong again.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
How about the poor beleagured IT department  Too Old For IT | 03/06/09
RE: How about the poor beleagured IT department  TTGIT Guy | 03/06/09
RE: How about the poor beleagured IT department  trybble1 | 03/06/09
Users are just a test load for the system  monei011 | 03/08/09
Choice is there  bigsibling | 03/06/09
How's the weather in Redmond?  PC Repair | 03/06/09
Yeah.  Average-IT-Guy | 03/06/09
Re  ghost_ghost | 03/06/09
Ubuntu works fine  linuser | 03/06/09
You said you installed Kubuntu and you got ONLY Konqeror.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
I had a choice too, Konqueror and FF  ThePrairiePrankster | 03/13/09
"Uncorrupted EU legal system"  lalogos | 03/06/09
Totally.  MSFTWorshipper | 03/06/09
Re; world leader in exporting socialism and marxism and fascism.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
RE: Level playing field...  Narg | 03/06/09
How do you uninstall Safari from OSx?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
Windows' market share is what makes it an issue  linuser | 03/06/09
Now you are talking nonsense. The ONLY browser to . .  hkommedal | 03/06/09
uncorrupted EU legal system?!?!??!  Snarfiorix | 03/06/09
There has never been anything which ...  mwagner@... | 03/06/09
Didn't the Windows fanboys come to the rescue ?  TonyOz | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  skiisintotrees | 03/06/09
Maybe Microsoft needs to change it's business model.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
Thank the EU for 5000 MS Jobs lost  pcguy777 | 03/06/09
LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!! You are a VISIONARY!! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
You do realize...  goff256 | 03/07/09
Pay $$$ to remove software?  wellduh | 03/06/09
Lemme guess, not a big MS fan? (nt)  Badgered | 03/06/09
That is an obvious guess.  Grayson Peddie | 03/06/09
Another mindless hater  MSFTWorshipper | 03/06/09
Re: Pay $$$ to remove software?  Yeartenn | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  mart@... | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  Loverock Davidson | 03/06/09
Unless  nizuse | 03/06/09
Amount of people who aren't...  Sleeper Service | 03/06/09
I don't use IE7....  MSFTWorshipper | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  yagar | 03/06/09
Re: wellduh - You're an idiot!  sol_bot | 03/06/09
Could not agree more ! (nt)  hkommedal | 03/06/09
EU Commission Whiners  Gis Bun | 03/06/09
Your wisdom seems to have room for improvement. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/06/09
Look in the mirror  martin23 | 03/07/09
A new type of bloat has arrived  Snarfiorix | 03/06/09
Amen!  TheWerewolf | 03/06/09
So, how do I turn off features in Ubuntu?  Narg | 03/06/09
Use the Synaptic Package Manager  linuser | 03/06/09
Go to the applications menu  jbiohaz@... | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
Make standard for potentially controversial apps  P. Douglas | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  goldston | 03/06/09
Cannot Remove IE  olddogv | 03/06/09
Exactly  onedavester@... | 03/06/09
RE: Exactly  MarkKB | 03/12/09
FAIL! You actually CAN remove IExplore.exe  de-void | 03/09/09
All your doing is removing the short cuts not the program.  Breetai | 03/06/09
It's more than that  MissingMatter | 03/06/09
This is probably the best possible way out.  TheWerewolf | 03/06/09
STRIP the OS DOWN to the BONE. Command Prompt ONLY!!!!  pcguy777 | 03/06/09
Windows 2008 lets you do that (nt)  Speednet | 03/06/09
NT  onedavester@... | 03/06/09
Good only for saving disk space  Speednet | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  asg749d@... | 03/06/09
Long overdue  johnnydoe1894 | 03/06/09
Makes a LOT of sense!!!!  chaz15 | 03/06/09
Yeah it does  MSFTWorshipper | 03/06/09
Treason!  pcguy777 | 03/06/09
Seriously  dano-z | 03/06/09
Money Grab 3.0  tonyman262 | 03/06/09
That was quite a load of nonsense in one go.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
What do I think?  techrepublic@... | 03/06/09
Re: IE 8  Kenogami | 03/06/09
Re: Win 7  Kenogami | 03/06/09
I agree with "Who Cares?"  straehle@... | 03/06/09
The use of the word "Admit" shows bias. It's simply "acknolwedge"  denise485 | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  MSFTWorshipper | 03/06/09
This is a good move by Microsoft  mwagner@... | 03/06/09
what about windows updates?  Randalllind | 03/06/09
Hasn't since Vista (NT)  PB_z | 03/06/09
If all the other browsers out there really..  lenohere | 03/06/09
Leave Microsoft Alone Already!  STBA2009 | 03/06/09
Boo Hoo  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/06/09
mmhmm  STBA2009 | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  mhmallory@... | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  Budster1 | 03/06/09
I see nothing wrong......  Crestview | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  CharlesEtheridge@... | 03/06/09
IE on Apple OS  SACarter | 03/07/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  trumanarnold@... | 03/07/09
IE will be back when market shares drop off the charts  Randalllind | 03/08/09
What's the real problem here?  tkainz | 03/08/09
what happens to the IE8 security updates..  bksgs1 | 03/08/09
The IE8 icon is also missing from desktop  bksgs1 | 03/08/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  eye4bear | 03/10/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  GreyTech | 03/10/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  amc1bbs | 03/10/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  bklooste | 03/11/09
How are Windows & Office Updates going to work without IE+ActiveX  bugmenot2 | 03/12/09
I get MS updates with Firefox in XP  ThePrairiePrankster | 03/13/09
This is good for everybody  ThePrairiePrankster | 03/13/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  Lerianis | 03/13/09
And when one goes to windows update, does it re-start IE8?  HypnoToad | 03/14/09
Windows update  rtk | 03/14/09
RE: Microsoft admits users will be able to turn off IE 8 in Windows 7  djm1026 | 04/22/09
This is horrible... Sad times a head.  winstonNC | 04/24/09

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