I think the EC should just shut up...
JT82 | 04/16/09
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Perhaps it is you who should shut up.
Intellihence | 04/16/09
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That;s the stupidest opinion ever...
ccrashh2@... | 04/16/09
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Exactly, it's THEIR OS!
InAction Man | 04/16/09
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Just what OS do you own?
JT82 | 04/16/09
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That's just license
voska1 | 04/17/09
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owning software
tmsbrdrs | 04/20/09
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EXACTLY!
RyGuy12 | 04/16/09
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Well it would be nice ...
voska1 | 04/17/09
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Install Core OS only, then they'd be happy. really i think they would
pcguy777 | 05/13/09
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Of course it is
Loverock Davidson | 04/16/09
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Loverock Davidson is the oldest M$ shill still
lightingrod | 04/16/09
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Oh my, he such a big boy, he can say shill.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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Oh My, NoAxe again!
nizuse | 04/16/09
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You'd better find a dictionary...
Marty R. Milette | 04/16/09
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His zealous dedication...
hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/17/09
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Their OS
CodeAnxiety | 04/16/09
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and all I'm hearing is...
JT82 | 04/16/09
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What do you expect a user is going to do to get a browser?
Ole Man | 04/16/09
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Well thats funny...
JT82 | 04/16/09
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See TalkBack 47, below
Ole Man | 04/16/09
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Re; Well thats funny... What is also funny is:
hkommedal | 04/16/09
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Lest ye be reminded?
JT82 | 04/17/09
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Lest ye be reminded?
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Oh boy...
Dave32265 | 04/17/09
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I want what you are on.
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint
Ole Man | 04/16/09
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Well GOOD FOR YOU
de-void | 04/16/09
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Ubuntu comes bundled with firefox too..[NT]
JT82 | 04/16/09
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You may do as you wish, de-void
Ole Man | 04/16/09
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Ubuntu comes bundled with firefox too..
Ole Man | 04/16/09
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Wow...
LeeC | 04/16/09
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If you noticed
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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@Ole Man: Thank you
de-void | 04/17/09
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well let me reciprocate also, de-void
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Leap year is always a pain....
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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I have dylexic...
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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So then make your own OS and sell it?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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Totally agree.
nizuse | 04/16/09
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Years ago ?
Pliny the Elder | 04/16/09
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A few years ago....
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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CORRECTION!!!
RyGuy12 | 04/16/09
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The API's and controls that IE provides is essential to any developer
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Correction to your correction
de-void | 04/17/09
|
 
IE
Budster1 | 04/17/09
|
  
MICROSOFT CONFIDENTIAL (war)
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Sad and bitter old man.
Marty R. Milette | 04/17/09
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Nope, a sad and bitter old man does not a corrupt organization make
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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One of the most sad and bitter posters on ZDNET
Marty R. Milette | 04/18/09
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And this differs from any other platform vendors' approach why?
de-void | 04/17/09
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Read the whole article, and weep
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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maybe we should honor the winners
MrAlan | 04/20/09
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"That's how Bill Gates and company did it....
Ole Man | 04/20/09
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How Bill Gates and company did it
tmsbrdrs | 04/20/09
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All I can hear is an M$ shill protesting loudly, no word from the EU yet.
InAction Man | 04/16/09
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Yeah
Advs89 | 04/16/09
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EU shouldn't shut up, they should ban MS from Europe.
Reality Bites | 04/16/09
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Make up your mind when ranting.
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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lemmings
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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I'd love to see...
PollyProteus | 04/16/09
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Well, if browser shares are any indication...
eMJayy | 04/16/09
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I'd love to see that too
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Excellent solution Einstein!
Marty R. Milette | 04/16/09
|
  
Let not thine heart be troubled....
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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Seems like the work-gene-pool is running a bit thin there...
Marty R. Milette | 04/18/09
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Personal insults are a little out of character for me
Ole Man | 04/18/09
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10,000 Jobs to be LOST
Marty R. Milette | 04/21/09
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Wrong!
windozefreak | 04/17/09
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yeah, because government is the best at choosing the best company
MrAlan | 04/20/09
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If they're truly committed...
Dr. John | 04/16/09
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Unless you are...
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
  
Good way to drive the herd
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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who needs lawyers
martin23 | 05/13/09
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Installing software requires Admin rights and
LittleGuy | 04/16/09
|

Um..what's your point?
JT82 | 04/16/09
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Right, not just MS, but MS is way harder. And my point
LittleGuy | 04/16/09
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If you don't have Admin rights
mdemuth | 04/16/09
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Precisely.
de-void | 04/16/09
|
  
How is hitting a button....
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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Not harder...
Dave32265 | 04/17/09
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I didn't hear a word from them.
InAction Man | 04/16/09
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RE: This shows one thing only...
GraphiteCube | 04/16/09
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LOL. Exactly..
JT82 | 04/16/09
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really proved nothing
bjornafreeman@... | 04/16/09
|
  
It proves a lot...
JT82 | 04/16/09
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What OS does what you say?
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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The Problem, No One Knows what You Are Saying
windozefreak | 04/17/09
|
   
"They just did not work well for me"
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
    
???
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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Thank you!
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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lol
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|

I guess that's because
InAction Man | 04/16/09
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Uh Oh
no_zd_user_name | 04/16/09
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Microsoft, the milking cow of the EC...When MS dries up it's Intel next...
transposeIT | 04/16/09
|
 
Opera IS NOT an EU company! It's Norwegian
InAction Man | 04/17/09
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To which they reply:
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
Loverock Davidson | 04/16/09
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Re: no amount of bribing will stop them from doing what they do best
rikasa | 04/16/09
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I am
Loverock Davidson | 04/16/09
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Nice to see
rikasa | 04/16/09
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C'mon Loverorck, it's hard to compete.
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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Nah, stuff like that is what Microsoft do best...
zkiwi | 04/16/09
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Opera: Sour Grapes because their little browser is a big loser
Qbt | 04/16/09
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EXACTLLY! Firefox has proven that much. (nt)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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Big loser? Depends on where you live...
eMJayy | 04/16/09
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Yea...
Qbt | 04/17/09
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Like it or not... and I for one don't.
James Quinn | 04/16/09
|

Good point
bclark2008 | 04/16/09
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RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
Erroneous | 04/16/09
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Just shows the EU "justice" system can be bought.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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That's so silly it made my day!
bearded-grey | 04/16/09
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Lets examine that...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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The answer is simple
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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Cannot be verified by statistics (or facts)
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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of course it is
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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PS
desamuelson | 04/17/09
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Bribery is not legal, in any country or region that I know of
Ole Man | 04/17/09
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legal or not
desamuelson | 04/18/09
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This is similar to what happened in the US in 1998.
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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You are confused (nothing new)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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4 out of 5 Findings survived appeals.
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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And lost on the browser issue
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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The issue that did not pass was a break up order.
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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I Don't Know About Other States
windozefreak | 04/17/09
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Not really
MacCanuck | 04/16/09
|
   
Yes really, read the ruling.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
 
Actually, the case against Microsoft was/is twofold
Ole Man | 04/16/09
|

Re; stop Playing games
Cyrorm | 04/16/09
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Not just the OS, ALL products and ALL support.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
  
And Microsoft shares would drop in value...
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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Won't happen...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
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So, to understand your logic...
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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They could the eu welfare
windozefreak | 04/17/09
|
 
Stop selling Windows in EU
chemist109 | 04/16/09
|

No_Ax_to_Grind you and Loverock Davidson must
lightingrod | 04/16/09
|
 
Bite Me
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
  
Yeah, sure!
Grayson Peddie | 04/16/09
|
  
So tell us
InAction Man | 04/17/09
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Lol - NoAxe, chill out man
nizuse | 04/16/09
|
 
Are you on drugs?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
 
Check the discount bins...
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
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Is there ANY distributed OS that comes sans browser?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|

Bundling
jevans@... | 04/16/09
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There you go using common sense!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
 
The complaint is about "tying", not "bundling".
Zogg | 04/16/09
|

OS without browser
chemist109 | 04/16/09
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We use the browser...
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
 
The (majority of) the opposition here has no idea what you are saying
Ole Man | 04/16/09
|
  
That's funny....
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
   
Ha ha ha ha!
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
   
Seriously
jjesusfreak01 | 05/22/09
|
 
This is a right out lie
windozefreak | 04/17/09
|
  
Yes, but Firefox can EASILY be uninstalled, no problem NT
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
  
Really?
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
jevans@... | 04/16/09
|
Sun and IBM are OS competitors with MS???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
Mary-Jo: EU Competition is NOT about consumers -- that is a US idea
bearded-grey | 04/16/09
|

except that...
PollyProteus | 04/16/09
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I wonder why? Can it be to protect it's citizens/consumer?
InAction Man | 04/17/09
|
  
I'm not questioning EU law...
PollyProteus | 04/17/09
|
   
The question (suit) is not about how good IE is, or is not
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|

Spot on
Richard Flude | 04/16/09
|
 
I have often wondered...
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
IE harms consumers too
Linux Geek | 04/16/09
|

Re: feel disenfrachaised.
Cyrorm | 04/16/09
|

On what planet?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
 
IE8 fails Acid 3 test with 20 / 100...
DevJonny | 04/17/09
|
  
ACID3 is not a standard
Soyale | 04/17/09
|

For your argument to hold water...
JT82 | 04/16/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
NStalnecker | 04/16/09
|

Past transgressions weigh heavily in court
Ole Man | 04/16/09
|
 
Absurd comparison...
PollyProteus | 04/16/09
|
  
Miles and miles over your head, wasn't it....
Ole Man | 04/16/09
|
 
Do they wait....
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
  
So Microsoft should be fined for conspiracy
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
 
If the crime has not been committed
windozefreak | 04/17/09
|
  
That's what I said
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
  
Tell that to...
Dave32265 | 04/17/09
|
Oracle??? What has Oracle to do with browsers?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|

Care to prove that, NoAxe?
nizuse | 04/16/09
|
 
How 'unexpected' NoAxe can't prove!
nizuse | 04/16/09
|
 
not quite the same but...
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
siulmig@... | 04/16/09
|
Shocking
groovepoint@... | 04/16/09
|
IBM, Sun, Oracle make Browsers????
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|

To make it simple for you...
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
|
 
None of them are...
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
 
It was never complicated, losers are whing together.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
  
Whing?
nizuse | 04/16/09
|
  
Could you please tell me wher I could find that book about powerpoint
InAction Man | 04/17/09
|
 
Your list makes me wonder...
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
  
Yes MS has NoAxe and Loverock
nizuse | 04/18/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
pgalea | 04/16/09
|

I want to see them....
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
lgmbackman | 04/16/09
|
Hurting competitors hurts consumers
morme | 04/16/09
|

Poorly working products and products
windozefreak | 04/17/09
|

Linux
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|
Go EU!
David Blomstrom | 04/16/09
|

Yes, go EU, straight to h*ll. (nt)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/16/09
|
 
And your finger is 1/2 inch close to table saw.
Grayson Peddie | 04/16/09
|
 
NoAxe, why so angry man?
nizuse | 04/16/09
|
  
No one is buying his powerpoint book
InAction Man | 04/17/09
|

Aw c'mon, those AIG bonuses were legit!
B.O.F.H. | 04/16/09
|
 
a bit off subject but...
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|
  
What's with this "for ole man" garbage?
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
   
lol well
desamuelson | 04/18/09
|
    
low reading comprehension?
Ole Man | 04/19/09
|
"...in this court, all bets are off?."
Henry Miller | 04/16/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
whtsupnw@... | 04/16/09
|

Lemme give you a few clues...
David Blomstrom | 04/16/09
|
 
Ermm ... you might have missed it ...
de-void | 04/17/09
|
  
"7 years of DOJ oversight and several years of EU scrutiny"
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
  
But then you're ignoring...
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
Krog_z | 04/16/09
|

Free Market Competition Does it carry any meaning to you
InAction Man | 04/17/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust cas
bigpicture | 04/16/09
|
They are PATHTETIC
Nsaf | 04/16/09
|

dictionary
martin23 | 05/13/09
|
Cowardice
johngalt_0705 | 04/16/09
|

Ah yes, Netscape
David Blomstrom | 04/16/09
|
 
laziness
johngalt_0705 | 04/17/09
|

While I agree with a lot...
Erroneous | 04/16/09
|
 
Nope! Netscape developed a product
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
  
Hence the reason...
Dave32265 | 04/17/09
|
   
Yep!
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|

Add to that ignorance
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
EC is not to protect users but to protect European incompetent business...
transposeIT | 04/16/09
|

And you wonder why...
randomnoise | 04/16/09
|

Opera is not in the EU you ignorant
InAction Man | 04/17/09
|
Microsoft Rocks
iHateLusers | 04/17/09
|

You have my sympathy
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
IE8 sux
Telexer | 04/17/09
|
Go Away EC !
pizzaman7 | 04/17/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|

Not necessarily either-or
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
 
of course
desamuelson | 04/17/09
|
  
No lectures, please
Ole Man | 04/17/09
|
   
Good description of non-Microsoft products...
Marty R. Milette | 04/18/09
|
    
Which all goes to show...
zkiwi | 04/18/09
|
    
"If Linux, Mac and other non-Microsoft solutions were viable substitutes "
Ole Man | 04/18/09
|
     
How does 'extending' a so-called 'standard' become a 'dirty trick'?
Marty R. Milette | 04/19/09
|
   
desamuelson | 04/18/09
|
    
Yes they are
Ole Man | 04/18/09
|
    
I hate to break it to you...
Marty R. Milette | 04/19/09
|
     
Yes, but...
FanaticGeek | 04/19/09
|
     
I (don't) hate to burst your bubble
Ole Man | 04/19/09
|
hasta la Vista, bah-bie
Marty R. Milette | 04/18/09
|

What post are you responding to, Marty...
hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 04/20/09
|
Dont Hate the player, Hate the Game
Lukwago | 04/18/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
hdwilkins | 04/19/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
davidb21 | 04/19/09
|

Humans who have brains
Ole Man | 04/19/09
|
It's a good thing that the government is going to choose winners and losers
MrAlan | 04/20/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
Rama.NET | 04/21/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
Altotus | 04/22/09
|
More questions than anwsers
Earthling2 | 05/04/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
p.vinnie@... | 05/07/09
|
Install Core OS only
pcguy777 | 05/13/09
|
For those who want Win7 with NO default browser: Are you insane?
Dealing | 05/13/09
|
********
Nsaf | 05/13/09
|
how did it work at first?
Mitch 74 | 05/13/09
|
Microsoft obstructs development
wwwsupport | 05/14/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
SaltySkipper | 05/14/09
|
RE: More Microsoft competitors join European browser-bundling antitrust case
DonBurnett | 05/15/09
|

You wish!
Mitch 74 | 05/16/09
|

You wish!
Mitch 74 | 05/16/09
|