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May 29th, 2009

With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:25 am

Categories: App Compatibility, Apple, Corporate strategy, Development tools, Google, Live Mesh, Office, Utility/cloud computing, Web 2.0

Tags: Google Inc., Microsoft Corp., Web 2.0, Microsoft Project, Collaboration, Groupware, Open Source, Internet, Microsoft Office, Office Suites

Is Google Wave a threat to Microsoft or an example of Google becoming too Microsoft-like for its own good?

If and when you manage to wade through the “Google Wave is the next best thing to Google search” tweets and blog posts, a few interesting counterpoints rise to the surface. A few brave doubters are throwing some tentative questions out there: Is Google Wave bloatware? Is Wave actually useful? Or, is it, as CodingHorror/Stack Overflow’s Jeff Atwood tweeted, “possibly the most Microsoft-y thing I’ve ever seen come out of Google. This is not intended as a compliment, by the way.”

Google is pushing Wave — which it rolled out to developers at the Google I/O conference on May 28 — as a new Web 2.0 collaboration tool. From what little I’ve seen and read about it, it looks like a mashup of mail, Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook. And to be part of the Wave, you need to write to yet another protocol, not protocols or standards that already exist.

Also see: Gallery Tour: Google Wave rolls into action

But wait: Aren’t these limitations for which Microsoft often is dinged? Reinventing — or even (shudder) copying — existing products and technologies? Requiring programmers to write to their protocols, even if the protocols are “open” and/or managed by an independent body or standards group? And is it a coincidence that Google’s engineering chief Vic Gundotra is a former Softie?

Microsoft, ever careful not to publicly criticize its competitors, hasn’t issued any proclamations about Wave and how it competes or doesn’t with Outlook/Windows Live, etc.  One Softie, Program Manager Dare Obasanjo, did note in a tweet yesterday that Google Wave bears a striking resemblance to two Microsoft projects, one scrapped (Hailstorm) and one active (Live Mesh). Hailstorm was axed for a variety of reasons, among them that it created too much vendor lock-in.

TechCrunch’s Mike Arrington claimed Wave stole all the thunder from Microsoft’s Bing rollout. His parting shot: “And while Wave certainly deserves every bit of positive attention it got today, the fact that it’s an open source project didn’t hurt, either. San Francisco engineers love open source like east coast liberals love Obama.”

I’d suggest, instead, the Google Wave swoonfest might be a case of the Valley press/blogging core loving their Web 2.0 companies (like Google and Apple) too much to admit when those companies start sliding down the slippery slope plowed by … Microsoft.

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Not a clue:
kozmcrae - 06/02/09

Is another word for Monopoly. You use OpenOffice? You are the only one I've ever seen spell it with no capitalization. I don't believe you. I'm calling you a Microsoft shil... (Read the rest)
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From what I've seen  chrome_slinky@... | 05/29/09
Partly agree  GraphiteCube | 05/29/09
Sounds like another beta ware  LBiege | 05/29/09
You mean like Google Earth? (NT)  kozmcrae | 05/29/09
Like Vista?  fr0thy2 | 05/31/09
M$FT and Google are becoming the same things  kolehicks@... | 05/29/09
Microsoft & Google are VERY different companies  linuser | 05/29/09
Of course...  LiquidLearner | 05/29/09
For a guy who has "learner" as part of his name...  kozmcrae | 05/29/09
Not then  ITLeader | 05/29/09
Only according to Microsoft.  kozmcrae | 05/29/09
Yes, now it is  eb276 | 05/30/09
@ eb276  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
ummm... no I'd have to say your wrong on that...  shadfurman | 06/01/09
defacto standard  kozmcrae | 06/02/09
Export from Google Docs,Mail? Easy!  tweakt | 05/29/09
One at a time?  A.Sinic | 05/30/09
There is nothing wrong about acting in your self interests  shadfurman | 06/01/09
Shake your head  bigpicture | 06/01/09
hmmm, thats interesting...  shadfurman | 06/01/09
I disagree...  shadfurman | 06/01/09
Only?  rarsa | 06/01/09
Pretty hard to compare it to MS  storm14k | 05/29/09
What's your problem with Silverlight then?  LiquidLearner | 05/29/09
Silverlight does not run on my computer...  storm14k | 05/29/09
They are actually the same  ArnavM | 05/29/09
You don't need Chrome...  storm14k | 05/29/09
Because it's Microsoft they can't be trusted.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 05/30/09
Here is mine  rarsa | 06/01/09
Well...  zdnetreader99 | 05/29/09
Google, yahoo, and facebook  Aussie_Troll | 05/31/09
What we learned yesterday  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 05/29/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  waybj | 05/29/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
Not sure why we are worrying about innovation [nt]  maskman01 | 05/29/09
That would be great if that is what this is  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
Ah, he means Gmail was DOA. fff  nizuse | 05/29/09
It's a protocol...  BIGELLOW | 05/29/09
You expect Loverock to understand that?  B.O.F.H. | 05/29/09
Loverock is a ZDNet employee - hit-fisher  nizuse | 05/29/09
Nope. If he is then he would be an ABMer to get the hits.  transposeIT | 05/30/09
That's exactly it  nizuse | 05/31/09
Maybe more than one  rarsa | 06/01/09
Thank you LsD.  kozmcrae | 05/30/09
....  n0neXn0ne | 05/30/09
What the hell?  rbethell | 05/29/09
I agree!  linuser | 05/29/09
Hopefully I can say "I told you so"  Californian | 05/29/09
Seems like only Apple is on the ball these days.  Dealing | 05/29/09
Another solution in search of a problem  ThePrairiePrankster | 05/29/09
The problem has existed for years...  BIGELLOW | 05/29/09
what? no..  Hobyx | 05/29/09
Google: perfect liberal hypocrisy  lalogos | 05/29/09
The tech world is exciting again  linuser | 05/29/09
Get a f'in life. (nt)  IT_Guy_z | 05/29/09
Apple about market share?  xXSpeedzXx | 05/29/09
Knibb High football rules!!!  Churlish | 05/29/09
Wow....Obama???  storm14k | 05/29/09
Nonsense.  Churlish | 05/29/09
My replies  ITLeader | 05/29/09
History repeats itself when we don't pay attention to it...  storm14k | 05/29/09
I've got some news for you chump.  kozmcrae | 05/29/09
totally agree with u  mikehenriquez | 05/30/09
Wow. Just wow.  CobraA1 | 05/30/09
keep politics out of software  vaporland | 05/29/09
Oh, come on...  Churlish | 05/29/09
Tech post  xXSpeedzXx | 05/29/09
Please...  Churlish | 05/29/09
Not political  ITLeader | 05/29/09
Really?  ths40 | 05/29/09
Theres more...  storm14k | 05/29/09
OK, I stand corrected...  Churlish | 05/29/09
I am wonder who jumped who's shark  GuidingLight | 05/29/09
ZDNet did  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
Hmm it's not that bad  nizuse | 05/29/09
I'll agree with you on that.  xXSpeedzXx | 05/29/09
that's all, though  coffeeshark | 05/29/09
Mary Jo doesn't need to do vs posts  LiquidLearner | 05/29/09
Every post that contains terms "Microsoft","Apple"or "Linux" is a vs post.  Dealing | 05/29/09
Boy rough crowd. You need a happy hour  Larry DignanZDNet Moderator | 05/29/09
Nice pun!  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
Molson?  nizuse | 05/29/09
European drinks  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
Ah.. I see  nizuse | 05/29/09
@ Loverock  kozmcrae | 05/30/09
Don't you have a clue?  Dealing | 05/29/09
You are right, of course  GuidingLight | 05/29/09
New blog section...  LiquidLearner | 05/29/09
Presentation  Theli | 05/29/09
Google  Gladiatorcn | 05/29/09
Yep...  storm14k | 05/29/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  BIGELLOW | 05/29/09
If Google created Bing...  rlescaille | 05/29/09
There is a good reason for the scepticism.  nizuse | 05/29/09
I agree  linuser | 05/29/09
To Loverock about Molson  maskman01 | 05/29/09
Canada  Loverock Davidson | 05/29/09
MAN! You really are a MS shrill or you really don't get it!  raycote | 05/29/09
Some google employees  Gladiatorcn | 05/30/09
Get over yourself  Aussie_Troll | 05/31/09
Canadian beer  maskman01 | 05/29/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  tweakt | 05/29/09
Most didnt  Aussie_Troll | 05/31/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  tweakt | 05/29/09
whats a real OSS license ?  Aussie_Troll | 05/31/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  tweakt | 05/29/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  skilet1 | 05/29/09
Vic Gundotra  marksashton | 05/30/09
Not really like Live Mesh . . .  CobraA1 | 05/30/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  FireBrandr | 05/31/09
Yep, we agree on this one  nizuse | 05/31/09
RE: With Wave, did Google jump the (Microsoft) shark?  vanadaar | 05/31/09
How is XMPP a new protocol?  cgarrett | 06/02/09
Not a clue:  Aussie_Troll | 06/02/09

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