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June 10th, 2009

Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:55 am

Categories: Channel, Corporate strategy, Google, Linux, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows 7, Windows Mobile, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: ARM, PC, Microsoft Corp., Netbook, Netbooks, Nettops & MIDs, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Hardware, Software, Mary Jo Foley

Some Microsoft execs remind me of politicians: They really know how to dance around a question in a way that allows them to maintain they aren’t lying.

This week’s soft shoo was courtesy of Bill Veghte, Microsoft Senior Vice President of the Windows Business. Not only did Veghte manage to dodge repeated questions about Microsoft’s planned pricing for Windows 7, but he also completely avoided answering questions about Microsoft’s plans to provide Windows on ARM-based netbooks. His avoidance really got me wondering what Microsoft is hiding here.

From the transcript of Veghte’s June 8 appearance at the UBS Global Technology and Services Conference:

QUESTION: Can you talk a little bit about the opportunity on the netbook side?  How big you think the opportunity is on ARM-based netbooks?  Where do you see that market eventually going?  Is that something that is of interest to you?  Would you port there?  But can you just maybe size that market, and how you think about that market in terms of your strategy?

BILL VEGHTE: And just to make sure I understand, in the context of ARM netbooks?

QUESTION: ARM netbooks.

BILL VEGHTE: Okay.  I think one of the things that is important, as you think about the market, is what is the user doing with the device?  From our perspective, we think there are PCs, and we think there are phones.  In that context, if they want a PC increasingly that is connected, but they still want, as that PC is connected, they want to be able to have an entertainment experience, a media experience, a productivity experience, a communications and sharing experience, and to date that feels very similar to what a PC does….

I think we’re going to go through a period where there will be a variety of experimentation, and certainly we will compete vigorously, vigorously in the market to make sure that any of the netbook class PCs that they    that customers, consumers can enjoy the full Windows experience.  And at the same time be absolutely … I don’t know what the right word is, no complacency, watch every device, watch every ODM, every OEM, and listen and learn to what we think the customer usage behaviors are.

I give Veghte points for resisting the temptation to try to force Microsoft’s new preferred term for netbooks — low-cost small notebook PC (or small notebook, for short) — on conference attendees. He also didn’t use Microsoft’s latest line that Windows 7 is currently not available on ARM-based systems.

The UBS conference questioner was smart; he asked Veghte about the company’s plans for porting Windows — and not just Windows 7 — to ARM. I’ve been wondering lately if Microsoft is (or was) attempting to port not Windows 7, but Windows Vista, to ARM. But as the transcript shows, Veghte acted as though he didn’t hear the word “ARM” at all….

So where does all this political-speak leave us? Here’s what we do know:

  • Microsoft officials are big on talking up the company’s three-screen consumer vision, with Microsoft targeting PCs, TV (via its IPTV offerings) and mobile devices (which include, but are not limited to phones).
  • Microsoft is classifying netbooks as PCs (in spite of the new rumored screen, processor and drive limitations it is attempting to impose on OEMs, so as to curtail which x86/x64 machines will qualify for lower per-copy Windows 7 pricing).
  • Windows isn’t available on ARM devices/systems. But Windows Mobile already runs on phones with ARM processors.
  • Microsoft is working on at least one project to port Windows Mobile to MIDs, Mobile Internet Devices, which are a class of mobile device that fall between a phone and a PC.

(Can MIDs be classified as netbooks? Are all netbooks MIDs? Why is Microsoft porting Windows Mobile to MIDs instead of plain-old Windows? All good questions to which I have no definitive answers)

Will Microsoft end up porting some flavor of Windows to ARM-based netbooks, especially if Google’s Android and/or other Linux variants start eroding Windows’ share? Or will Microsoft, instead, roll out a new Windows Mobile/Windows Embedded flavor for ARM-based netbooks and slap a plain-old “Windows” label on it? Other guesss are welcome….

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RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues
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This is all a big problem for MS. The Arm parts will use a lot less juice  DonnieBoy | 06/10/09
You can kid yourself... but not the rest of hte world  Johnny Vegas | 06/10/09
I agree, and let's not forget ...  de-void | 06/10/09
LOL @ riding on Intel...  storm14k | 06/10/09
Microsoft is all over that....if Linux share gets to be a threat....  xuniL_z | 06/11/09
Now how would they accomplish that?  UAC nanny screen | 06/11/09
Ubuntu  macadam | 06/11/09
Competition is always good ...  de-void | 06/11/09
I think a single Larabee core  LiquidLearner | 06/10/09
Unlikely  de-void | 06/11/09
Educate, not kid.  fr0thy2 | 06/10/09
Why  jdbukis@... | 06/10/09
Educate? Can you say you have your head entirely...  xuniL_z | 06/11/09
Ahhh so the truth comes out...  storm14k | 06/10/09
you're so funny  eb276 | 06/10/09
If you call forcing M$ to give XP away for almost free a win then I guess  InAction Man | 06/10/09
I call it a win  LiquidLearner | 06/10/09
What win  UAC nanny screen | 06/11/09
"barging in" ???  xuniL_z | 06/11/09
Great to see Linux forcing MS to support first Netbooks, and soon Arm  DonnieBoy | 06/10/09
And would they recompile all the viruses too?  lad.koc | 06/10/09
You have a virus problem with Windows?  Cayble | 06/11/09
The average home user  xXSpeedzXx | 06/11/09
What the "average user" with "half a brain" sees  Ole Man | 06/11/09
They are Not exposing themselves to what Linux would bring them....  xuniL_z | 06/11/09
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windows virus.  ator1940 | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues  mikegalos@... | 06/10/09
RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues  Loverock Davidson | 06/10/09
We have to remember that it's in MS's best interest  Michael Kelly | 06/10/09
Very well put!  enduser_z | 06/10/09
Of course  LiquidLearner | 06/10/09
Who?  CobraA1 | 06/11/09
"certainly we will compete vigorously"  kozmcrae | 06/10/09
Themselves  eb276 | 06/10/09
Netbooks: one bad dream that MS cannot wake up from  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
Another funny guy  eb276 | 06/10/09
Are you in Denial?: No, I don't mean a place in Egypt.  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
Hahaha  eb276 | 06/10/09
No substance. Try answering Michael Kelly's question.  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
No substance, Try answering my question  eb276 | 06/10/09
Did you read the entire article and associated links?  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
Indeed I did  eb276 | 06/10/09
Intel: The point is performance expectation  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
DT: As you see from my link  eb276 | 06/10/09
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I strongly disagree!  InAction Man | 06/10/09
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And when do you plan on that happening?  MGP2 | 06/10/09
I can't tell, but here's a word to all of you M$ optimists  InAction Man | 06/11/09
And for you Lin$ux optimists  GuidingLight | 06/11/09
@ MisGuidingLight  InAction Man | 06/11/09
Ah, now I see....  MGP2 | 06/11/09
Who cares, I mean really?  Cayble | 06/11/09
I only see one person in denial here.....  xuniL_z | 06/11/09
How did you find it to be false?  Michael Kelly | 06/10/09
How did you find it to be true?  eb276 | 06/10/09
To quote the article:  Michael Kelly | 06/10/09
The time of the returns  eb276 | 06/10/09
development decisions Microsoft made years ago proved to be misguided  Ole Man | 06/10/09
@oleman: Irrelevant  eb276 | 06/10/09
I challenge what you say...  NStalnecker | 06/10/09
Even MS does not agree with that  Michael Kelly | 06/10/09
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I haven't been infected since...  LiquidLearner | 06/10/09
If you were honest  no_zd_user_name | 06/10/09
How would you know?  NStalnecker | 06/10/09
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 xuniL_z | 06/12/09
C'mon bitbyte/DonRupert/no_ax/zunil  InAction Man | 06/12/09
Y'gotta consider the source  Ole Man | 06/12/09
Is that article of any value, though?  GuidingLight | 06/11/09
Micorsoft will never port Windows 7 to ARM ...  MisterMiester | 06/10/09
Nonsense  de-void | 06/10/09
Facts Do Not Cease to Exist Because You Ignore Them ...  MisterMiester | 06/10/09
You clearly don't understand how Microsoft's business divisions operate  de-void | 06/11/09
How would you know this?  MisterMiester | 06/11/09
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Again, nonsense!  de-void | 06/10/09
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MS wongfooted and no response  Alan Smithie | 06/10/09
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I agree ... but only to a point  de-void | 06/11/09
Not yet...  InAction Man | 06/11/09
I love your optimism  de-void | 06/12/09
I don't need it to be ready for the general purpose desktop  InAction Man | 06/12/09
I think you're trying to lead the question.  TheWerewolf | 06/10/09
wow. touchscreen netbooks?  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 06/10/09
I stopped reading at ...  johnfenjackson@... | 06/10/09
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$229 netbooks? There has to be a cheaper way.  HollywoodDog | 06/11/09
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I have my doubts about ARM  CobraA1 | 06/11/09
RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues  Matcullinos | 06/11/09
Wow. When Apple is hush on plans  GuidingLight | 06/11/09
Simple answer...  mikifinaz1@... | 06/11/09
RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues  Bilmekanikeren | 06/11/09
NOT fancy footwork  Ole Man | 06/12/09
Why the surprise?  mwagner@... | 06/17/09
RE: Microsoft's fancy footwork around netbooks continues  mbldev | 06/23/09
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